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Old May 17, 2002 | 08:46 PM
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KLEEMANN Speed Record in Autoweek

As seen in may 20, 2002 Autoweek (along with a review of the new W209).
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Old May 19, 2002 | 04:13 AM
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OK I'm sold. How do I get a Kleeman conversion in Australia. You guys interested in an Aisia Pacific distributor???
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Old May 19, 2002 | 11:54 AM
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We get quite a few requests from Australia. We would like to have a distributor there. KLEEMANN USA has North America as its supply area- please contact KLEEMANN Denmark directly to discuss this:

ca@kleemann.dk
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Old May 19, 2002 | 06:22 PM
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Old May 19, 2002 | 09:45 PM
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I wish I had the money to spend on an upgrade like that, I'd love to have a car like that. One more thing, I wish that my wife would let me do an upgrade like that too (even if I had the money, lol)
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Old May 20, 2002 | 10:24 AM
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Question for Kleemann

According to this article you posted above. The Kleemann E55k has a horsepower rating of 607hp at the crank. My question is, what else other than a supercharger and sports exhaust did you guys put in there to have that much horsepower?? I know that when you add the supercharger alone from a stock 55 engine it'll give you about 550hp but how did that article come up with 607hp??? Can you pls comment on this. And list how that car came up to 607hp.

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Old May 20, 2002 | 11:03 AM
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607hp

JamE55-

If you will notice the text mentions .6bar- normally we use .5bar, here is your extra HP.
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Old May 20, 2002 | 11:32 AM
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So you mean that if i get mine installed i just tell the technician to set it at .6bar, .7bar or more??
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Old May 20, 2002 | 11:51 AM
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Old May 20, 2002 | 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by JamE55
So you mean that if i get mine installed i just tell the technician to set it at .6bar, .7bar or more??
No- Our systems are delivered set at .5 bar. The compressor is capable of more than that obviously. We have thousands and thousands of hours durability testing at .5 bar, like wise with higher boost. .5bar provides a huge amount of power at an incredible reliability level.
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Thanks Kleemann.

So what happens if i had mine installed at a higher boost lets say .6bar or .7bar? Does that warranty get voided?? What happens? Just want to get as much HP as i can get.

Thanks again!
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No- Our systems are delivered set at .5 bar. The compressor is capable of more than that obviously. We have thousands and thousands of hours durability testing at .5 bar, like wise with higher boost. .5bar provides a huge amount of power at an incredible reliability level.
Do you mean it is putting 200 HP extra at .5 bar? (7.25 PSI)
At that pressure what is the difference between putting your supercharger or another brand that puts 6 or 7 PSI?, lets say Eaton or Vortech.

Disclaimer: Not trying to attack Kleeman, I'm just trying to understand the huge difference in price. I might be trying to compare MB cars vs Civic with your supercharger, don't know, that is why I ask.
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Old May 20, 2002 | 10:55 PM
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Difference

Originally posted by pocholin


Do you mean it is putting 200 HP extra at .5 bar? (7.25 PSI)
At that pressure what is the difference between putting your supercharger or another brand that puts 6 or 7 PSI?, lets say Eaton or Vortech.

Disclaimer: Not trying to attack Kleeman, I'm just trying to understand the huge difference in price. I might be trying to compare MB cars vs Civic with your supercharger, don't know, that is why I ask.
In a word- air density. Eaton SC's have some of the worst efficiencies (on a good day 50+%) centerfugals build boost at high engine speeds but provide nothing down low- Of course this is not the source of large power numbers, but the source of our very smooth, fat delivery of both hp and tq.

Our intercooler is so unique its patented- providing efficiencies above 85%. At 7.3 psi we are delivering air densities that would require upwards of 9.5 psi with a non-intercooled system- without the risk of detonation associated with high discharge temps.
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Old May 20, 2002 | 11:28 PM
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Re: Difference

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In a word- air density. ...
Correction, that was two words

Thanks for the explanation, I'm understanding more and more about your Kompressor
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Old May 28, 2002 | 11:22 PM
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According to the article, KLEEMAN claims a 0-100kph at 4.6sec. Is KLEEMAN being modest in their performance times? With 607hp i would expect a time of less than 4. KLEEMAN can you give me any input? thanks.
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Old May 28, 2002 | 11:27 PM
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Originally posted by Tezta
According to the article, KLEEMAN claims a 0-100kph at 4.6sec. Is KLEEMAN being modest in their performance times? With 607hp i would expect a time of less than 4. KLEEMAN can you give me any input? thanks.
With that much horsepower and torque, I'd like to see someone do a faster 0-60 on street tires... Your tires just spin and smoke with all that power on tap.
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awiner hit the nail on the head- more power than traction!
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Old May 29, 2002 | 02:35 AM
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awiner hit the nail on the head- more power than traction!
Not that this is a bad thing. Heck, there is nothing like being able to go from 60-120 in just a few seconds....
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Old May 29, 2002 | 03:33 AM
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The question is still isn't answer. And that is, can a Kleemann owner get more Boost from additional "upgrades"

I used to drive a 91 RX-7 Turbo][. To increase boost there were many ways to go. Larger intercooler core, boost controller, better fuel delivery so more air can be compressed in to chamber with larger turbos. etc..etc...

I am not much tuned to SC, however I remember back in the days when the 1986-88 MR2 Supercharged came out, you can add a larger pulley which increased boost. Of course there was also an Intercooler upgrade from HKS, and a whole slew of stuff for the MR2 SC, including a turbo upgrade using twin charging technology.

Okay...in anycase, I wonder if Kleemann will/is offering such type of "upgrade" to get more boost. Or can we use a boost controller to get more PSI?

I also asked this question in another post, and that is does Kleemann install a thicker headgasket to lower compression, to gain higher boost?
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A larger pulley was used to increase boost for the record run. A boost controller cannot be used to increase boost on a positive displacement SC.

Thicker headgaskets are the shoddy way to decrease CR- this method ruins the squish area of the piston. If one were to build up a high boost system new pistons would be used.

An AMG N/A engine has 10.5:1 compression, any increase in boost over the provided .5 bar requires engine work to ensure a margin of reliability and safety.
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Finally, a reply from the source. That's great. I'm glad that you are not using a thicker gasket to lower compression, but rather sticking to stock height.

So the biggest question is.....will the larger pulley be available to the public, and will kleemann offer low compression pistons?
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Finally, a reply from the source. That's great. I'm glad that you are not using a thicker gasket to lower compression, but rather sticking to stock height.

So the biggest question is.....will the larger pulley be available to the public, and will kleemann offer low compression pistons?
I think JamE55 asked the same question just a few days ago in another thread. The answer was a qualified "NO".
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oh well, I guess I will have to go to my asian sources to see if they can "r&d" a larger pulley for more boost.

Thanks for the info
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Actually the thread JamE55 asked the question in was this one. Look up several messages. Kleemann's answer was, "No- Our systems are delivered set at .5 bar. The compressor is capable of more than that obviously. We have thousands and thousands of hours durability testing at .5 bar, like wise with higher boost. .5bar provides a huge amount of power at an incredible reliability level."
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Originally posted by JamE55
Thanks Kleemann.

So what happens if i had mine installed at a higher boost lets say .6bar or .7bar? Does that warranty get voided?? What happens? Just want to get as much HP as i can get.

Thanks again!
Actually never got a straight answer on this one.
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