Got the dreaded P0016 and P0017 codes on our 2006 R350...
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Got the dreaded P0016 and P0017 codes on our 2006 R350...
Did a search, but it's difficult on the phone.
I've read about the codes (P0016 and P0017) on other classes, but anyone get it on their R350?
What are the chances it's the magnets, sensors or the intermediate shaft?
I'll start with the magnets and then the sensors. Just need to add it to the ball joint repair list...
I've read about the codes (P0016 and P0017) on other classes, but anyone get it on their R350?
What are the chances it's the magnets, sensors or the intermediate shaft?
I'll start with the magnets and then the sensors. Just need to add it to the ball joint repair list...
Last edited by a930rocket; Jul 26, 2012 at 07:42 PM.
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how many miles? those are generic codes, if you they are the same as mb code 1200 ands 1208 then you need a balance shaft, we see a lot of this on r classes 06 and 07
Did a search, but it's difficult on the phone.
I've read about the codes (P0016 and P0017) on other classes, but anyone get it on their R350?
What are the chances it's the magnets, sensors or the intermediate shaft?
I'll start with the magnets and then the sensors. Just need to add it to the ball joint repair list...
I've read about the codes (P0016 and P0017) on other classes, but anyone get it on their R350?
What are the chances it's the magnets, sensors or the intermediate shaft?
I'll start with the magnets and then the sensors. Just need to add it to the ball joint repair list...
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^^^ Thanks for the advice.
It has 117K miles.
Are the balance shaft and intermediate shaft the same or different?
How do I determine what code and/or problem I have? I'm not fond of our local dealership. Would my Indy be able to determine this?
It has 117K miles.
Are the balance shaft and intermediate shaft the same or different?
How do I determine what code and/or problem I have? I'm not fond of our local dealership. Would my Indy be able to determine this?
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2008 gl450, 2006 e350
well either a dealer will need to run codes and give you the printout or an independent shop with a das machine will have to run it, otherwise you are stuck with generic codes, you may have to pay a diag fee. i will tell you this though, if you do need the balance shaft/intermediate shaft mercedes will goodwill at least a portion of it. you may have to pay a couple grand but its better than paying the full price which can be over 6k depending on what all gets replaced, its not a job a buddy can do for you in his garage on the weekend. mercedes has been standing behind these even with the miles you have. make friends with a dealership and they will take care of you
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very unlikely that it could be a cam sensor, possibly a cam magnet/solenoid but the cam sensors never go bad, odds are with your mileage it needs the balance shaft, the only way to know is to get the codes from a das machine or take out all 4 cam sensors and set your timing to 305 degrees and see if any of the stamps on the pulse wheels are off center
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Thinking back, I want to say we had either the magnets and/or the sensors replaced when it was in for service a good while back under warranty or a TSB. I'll have yo check the records.
I'm not on friendly terms with our one and only dealer in town after our air intake flooded the car during a heavy rain. They and MBUSA were about as helpful as a kick in the nuts.
I'll take it to my indy asap.
I'm not on friendly terms with our one and only dealer in town after our air intake flooded the car during a heavy rain. They and MBUSA were about as helpful as a kick in the nuts.
I'll take it to my indy asap.
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very unlikely that it could be a cam sensor, possibly a cam magnet/solenoid but the cam sensors never go bad, odds are with your mileage it needs the balance shaft, the only way to know is to get the codes from a das machine or take out all 4 cam sensors and set your timing to 305 degrees and see if any of the stamps on the pulse wheels are off center
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Really? Then I'll let MBUSA & the dealership know that after scratching their heads for 7 days, and finally replacing the sensors (under a TSB) and the problem finally clearing that they were completely wrong and that I need to bring the car back in, b/c "cam sensors never go bad", and they need to get on replacing the magnet/solenoid and while they're at it the balance shaft and quit being *******.
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Have a semi-update. Took the car to our Indy to read the codes. Looks like an internal issue as suggested by others - an intermediate/balance shaft issue. As our one and only local dealer sucks, I'll have to take it 2 hours away for service.
Any suggestions from you guys on what do and say to get the best deal from the dealer/MBUSA?
What about current lawsuits on the issue? Where do we stand on those?
Thanks
Any suggestions from you guys on what do and say to get the best deal from the dealer/MBUSA?
What about current lawsuits on the issue? Where do we stand on those?
Thanks
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Bulletin LI03.30 p 050027 , is this what you are referring to? All cam solenoid magnets are replaced, not cam sensors, maybe a service advisor told you cam sensor but I assure you it wasn't, you want me to send you the bulletin? Ive done about 50 balance shaft repairs per this bulletin, there is not a bullet in netstar anywhere that says replace cam sensors,
Just saw you're response. Tech & Service Mgr. show me TSB for both balance shaft & cam sensor. That was the reason it was replaced @ no charge for labor or parts after 4 days of work/trouble shooting.
don't know what to tell you if you haven't come upon it. I'll look in paperwork, but not sure they gave me copy of TSB.
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Update: Got the estimate for over $9K including new manifold. Now I have to see what MBUSA will do if anything, find an indy that can do it if MBUSA won't help or install a used engine outside the affected range.
How hard is it to replace the manifold and why would it need replacing? Does it crack or is it a gasket/vacuum leak issue? It just started to hunt at idle.
I can't imagine the car is worth mote than $15K, so a $9K repair bill makes it difficult to swallow.
Thoughts?
Complaint:Engine light on,Idles rough
and engine reving
Parts list:Intake manifold 1150.00
Balance shaft*** 550.00.
Timing chain**** 395.00
Spark plugs****** 210.00
Intake gaskets*****20.50
Air filters*********88.00
Times 2 oil & filter change 240.00
Cam plugs*******40.00
Engine mounts***375.00
Trans mount***** 95.00
Poly belt******* 110.00
Belt tensioner* **245.00
Idler pulley*******95.00
Total*********3613.50
Tax********** 252.95
Parts total***** 3866.45
Labor******** 5200.00
Grand total**** 9066.45
How hard is it to replace the manifold and why would it need replacing? Does it crack or is it a gasket/vacuum leak issue? It just started to hunt at idle.
I can't imagine the car is worth mote than $15K, so a $9K repair bill makes it difficult to swallow.
Thoughts?
Complaint:Engine light on,Idles rough
and engine reving
Parts list:Intake manifold 1150.00
Balance shaft*** 550.00.
Timing chain**** 395.00
Spark plugs****** 210.00
Intake gaskets*****20.50
Air filters*********88.00
Times 2 oil & filter change 240.00
Cam plugs*******40.00
Engine mounts***375.00
Trans mount***** 95.00
Poly belt******* 110.00
Belt tensioner* **245.00
Idler pulley*******95.00
Total*********3613.50
Tax********** 252.95
Parts total***** 3866.45
Labor******** 5200.00
Grand total**** 9066.45
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Called MBUSA and the case manager says MBUSA will not help. She reported that I didn't get my car serviced at the dealer. When did that become a requirement? Asked for her manager and she refused.
Same run around deal when the air intake drain clogged and water damaged the blower motor. I fixed that in an hour and a $150 part.
Can MBUSA suck any more?
Same run around deal when the air intake drain clogged and water damaged the blower motor. I fixed that in an hour and a $150 part.
Can MBUSA suck any more?
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Sorry to hear about your trouble. $9K is a crazy number and I hope you find a way to fix yours without costing you an arm and leg + some. Good luck to you.
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Went to the dealer today to bring it home and have an indie fix it. They brought the car around and it barely ran and then wouldn't start. Ran fine when we brought it in. Just a CEL on.
Left it there and a bunch of wrenches looking at it when we left.
Thanks Mercedes Benz....
Left it there and a bunch of wrenches looking at it when we left.
Thanks Mercedes Benz....
Last edited by a930rocket; Nov 10, 2012 at 11:49 AM.
