FC Corp

Obviously you have a hard-on for me, don't know why... Stop whining about what I post and please move on. Thank you.

Accord

FC Corp, what color is your S600? I'm also trading in the '02 for the '03. Should have it in January.

https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...threadid=19490

Dema

Thank you for the note. My wife always wanted Town Car. So any positive response from Mercedes lovers will be a complement to her tastes.

FC Corp

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Accord
[B]FC Corp, what color is your S600? I'm also trading in the '02 for the '03. Should have it in January.

It's Tectite Grey. Still not used to the color though it is easy to keep clean. The 03 will be the Designo Mocha Black. It would be great if they came with the panoramic roof as the E Class does.

Your's?

Accord

It is Obsidian Black, impossible to keep the exterior clean. The 2003 will be Brilliant Silver.

marauder

Black is not a color ... it's a hobby.

Accord

LMAO! Very well put!

FC Corp

Curious, does the Obsidian Black show swirls as bad as the regular black does? I had actually ordered Ob Black (02) but they screwed it up and ordered the t grey...

Accord

Yes, the car is a nightmare to keep clean!

KrispyK

You know, I've read a few posts lately regarding how dealers screw up orders. I was wondering, any of you folks the dealers do this on purpose? I've heard stories of how another German marque's dealerships sometimes claim their exclusive vehicles were damaged in transport, so they can make the person with the order wait, while the dealership sells the allegedly damaged car above MSRP. I know I've seen at least three stories on mbworld about dealers getting orders wrong ... any opinions?

KrispyK

I don't have a "hard-on" for you, but was hoping you'd explain your pithy comment. If you don't feel like it, it's fine with me.

KrispyK

And no one I know does this hobby better than this guy. I swear, his almost 1-year old black M Coupe doesn't have any swirl marks. He spends a considerable amount of time drying his car via the take-the-sprayer-off-the-hose-and-sheet-the-water-off method. Of course, he still claims his car has swirls, but I think that's just psychological (or would that be pathological?)

Accord

I think AlBoston is the best at the hobby, he will spend 10 hours every two weeks detailing his black ML.

KrispyK

You got me there; I don't think even Marauder does it that often! Wow, that's called dedication!

jahummer

As a former LS400 owner who recently traded it in for an new S430, I must say that I am thoroughly impressed by the drive quality of a Benz over a Lexus.

I have driven every Lexus ever made and must say that as good as they are they cannot compete with an S class with regarding to handling and smoothness.

But within less than a week, my car has been in the shop for 2 days for a list of problems, nothing major, just anoying electrical problems.

My Lexus was hardly ever in the shop for anything other than regular maintanence.

So I do think Japan has Germany beat when it comes to electronics, but Germany has Japan beat when it comes to the car itself: engine, tranny, suspension, etc.

And I always feel that the more gadgets and conveniences offered, the more that can go wrong.

Just my two bits.

KrispyK

I agree with you 100% on that. Couldn't have said it any better.

E 4.3

Man, never did I think that this thread would be so heated (and long)! My dad just bought a Lexus LS430 a few months ago and he loves it. I like it too!

As far as which I prefer the most LS430 or S430...? The only thing that would make me chose the S430 is 48,000 miles of free maintenance. But, as you can tell by my signature, I'll probably end up having them both!

JATLIFE

My two cents:

LS430: awkward front end, ugly rear end, below average exterior, beautiful interior, great engine, great value, great reliability, great fit and finish

S430: beautiful styling, inside and out, mercedes name, fine performance and handling, very good fit and finish and quality

overall, i think the lexus has the edge in reliability and value, but the benz has the clear edge in the looks department and in name recognition

this is coming from an owner of a 2000 s430 and a 99 lexus gs; i have driven the newer ls many times and my cousin has one (with rims); a very nice car, but i think the benz has the edge because of its looks... but if money is the most important thing, then go with the lex because its a better value, but then why are you in this class if you dont have the money?

my two cents on other comparisons:

lex is v. benc c v. bmw 3: bmw, benz, lex... but a benz 4 door with rims can beat any bmw 4 door; the coupe is better for bmw; lex is ****ty on the inside, too cheap on the outside

lex gs v. benz e v. bmw 5: benz, lex, bmw; new benz e is beautiful, they finally re-did interior and made it up to new s standards; bmw needs serious updates, and the lex is still strong; i love the 540 wagon though

lex ls v. benz s v. bmw 7: benz, lex, bmw: benz is the best looking by far, beautiful inside, too; lex is the best value, ugly on the outside, best reliability; bmw looks like **** on the inside, ugly sad depressed front end, back and rims are nice, but overall package is not very good

Caliz_Finest

i was talking to someone about this today and was reminded of it, the Lexus LS has a cheap light feel (maybe cause its a glorified toyota ) a floaty ride, in the words of the person i talked to "it feels like its about to fall off its wheels" and while I agree with Lexus fans that the interior is very comfortable, I have no idea why they say its more comfortable than the S, The S class has a much bigger, and more comfortable and interior. The LS430 has cheap toyota like styling, no road presence... it might as well be invisible. Not only do I prefer the S class over the LS430, I prefer the BMW 745 and the E500 over the LS as well

drink300

Everyone talks about S-Class being roomier and bigger. If you look at the FACTS, you will see:

LS430 Front Headroom : 39.6
S-Class Front Headroom: 37.6

LS430 Front Legroom : 44.0
S-Class Front Legroom: 41.3

Yes, the length of the S-Class is longer, but the actual inside demensions of the Lexus are close if not bigger in most cases. Please do your homework before postiong messages that are not true.

And to be honest, I'll take the reliability of a Lexus anyday. I dunno about you guys, but there's not much prestige involved in being stranded at the side of a roadway in your unreliable S-Class while everything fro Corolla's to Kia's zip by you on the freeway!

Just look at Consumer Reports and J.D. Powers. For gosh sakes, J.D. Powers is sickened by the lack of reliability in the S and M classes. Consumer reports says that the S-Class predicted reliability based on the last 13 years of data for S-Class is :

....drum role please.....VERY POOR. Over 15% of drivers will experience MAJOR hardware failures and likely multiple minor problems.

I don;t make the statistics...I just do my homework and don't spend my hard-earned money to get other people to "look at me" in traffic.

drink300

AMG4life

who the hell wanna be seen in a Lexus!!! S class hands down
btw this poll is an insult to MB. like my econ prof said if u got money you'd buy a mercedes

vraa

I would be proud riding around in my lexus because i know no one out there would have as much fun as i do!

Nice soundsystem, perfect paint, awesome interior, and its not to shabby in the power department for a 16 year old!

E 4.3

All of the women I know, but maybe that's just me! You know, I have "pull" like that!

Caliz_Finest

The dimensions might be bigger but the S class is roomier,I guess the seats take up less space so that leaves more room for the passengers... ive sat inside both cars like a million times the S500 feels roomier

thats nice. I havent had a single problem with my S class yet, not even a minor one

No, its not that I care for people looking at me. Its just that the Lexus is ugly for a car in its price range (especially the rear, keeping the tradition of japanese cars... it has huge and stupid looking tailights)

internet_mafia

I think that it's a shame that Lexus liked the W140 so much that they used it as thier inspiration when they designed the LS. You can almost super-impose the LS 430 over a 92'-99' S class. I like the S class because the styling is 100% original. You lexus lovers out there may talk down about the S class for whatever "reasons", but you are the ones who are driving the product of a company that looks up to Mercedes for guidance. Just admit it, the Lexus brand means "second-rate".