In the market for S600... your feedback please.
1) What were the options for the '03 & '04 S600? I understand there weren't many.
2) Are there any differences between '03 & '04?
3) Are there any known problems for these cars? Mechanical? Electrical?
4) Is there a way to slightly lower the ride height? Any downsides?
5) Other than Renntech, who makes a nice reliable ECU upgrade?
6) It appears there is a large price difference between cars with <60k miles and over 60k miles.... My daily commute is less than 10 miles round trip, so would it make sense for me to purchase a higher mileage car and save the cash? There is one that has 100k miles and asking $17k. I could pick it up and get a warranty for around $4,000.... Thoughts?
7) What is the recommended maintenance schedule? The reason I ask this is so that I know when the next big one is and take in into account.... for instance, I could find a nice one with 58k miles and end up spending a ton on a 60k mile service.
Thanks for reading this and I look forward to your feedback. I appreciate your help.
Last edited by amr; Dec 20, 2010 at 09:45 AM.
Firstly, if you want an S600, make sure you get one with a warranty. They have numerous issues that pop up and are expensive to fix, primarily amongst them is the ABC suspension which is problematic across the board. So I'd recommend getting something below 70k miles and at least getting a warranty up to 100k, or more if you can.
The other maintenance, is not as big a deal. Spark plugs on the V12 models are usually due at 60k miles, so that may be something you have to do soon. Air filters should be done often, (20k instead of 60k to keep the MAF clean), but otherwise most of the stuff isn't too expensive.
The S600 are very good cars to get tuned, so you are on the right track there. And as you mentioned, they are very well appointed and beautiful cars.
On my S55, there are some features I really love - Distronic is cool, Parktronic is very useful, (Especially for your wife!) and the rear seats that recline and have heat/ventilation people always enjoy. The massage and ventilation part are not too strong, but interesting to have anyway.
Also take a look at a similar year S55. They are not as easy to tune as the S600, but they are more aggressive out of the box throttle wise, and have a more aggressive sounding exhaust and AMG quad exhaust/body kit. While maintenance wise it is almost the same as the S600, it can be slightly cheaper in certain areas - like Spark Plugs, and I believe the V12 engine historically is more problematic than the V8.
Firstly, if you want an S600, make sure you get one with a warranty. They have numerous issues that pop up and are expensive to fix, primarily amongst them is the ABC suspension which is problematic across the board. So I'd recommend getting something below 70k miles and at least getting a warranty up to 100k, or more if you can.
The other maintenance, is not as big a deal. Spark plugs on the V12 models are usually due at 60k miles, so that may be something you have to do soon. Air filters should be done often, (20k instead of 60k to keep the MAF clean), but otherwise most of the stuff isn't too expensive.
The S600 are very good cars to get tuned, so you are on the right track there. And as you mentioned, they are very well appointed and beautiful cars.
On my S55, there are some features I really love - Distronic is cool, Parktronic is very useful, (Especially for your wife!) and the rear seats that recline and have heat/ventilation people always enjoy. The massage and ventilation part are not too strong, but interesting to have anyway.
Also take a look at a similar year S55. They are not as easy to tune as the S600, but they are more aggressive out of the box throttle wise, and have a more aggressive sounding exhaust and AMG quad exhaust/body kit. While maintenance wise it is almost the same as the S600, it can be slightly cheaper in certain areas - like Spark Plugs, and I believe the V12 engine historically is more problematic than the V8.
Thank you and this is very useful information. I did consider the S55 as I also love the aggressive looks, but I undersood from reading that the quality control on the S600 is higher.... this may or may not be true. I read somewhere that more attention to detail is given to the S600's interior and that the S55 needs to be well optioned out in order to be on par with the 600. Is this true? What options were available on the S55?
In terms of quality control, I don't think the S600 is any better or worse than the S55, in fact the S55 being an AMG it goes through even more of a process in certain terms to make it sportier.
You can have pretty much all of the options from the S600 on the S55, the only difference is that some don't come standard - but anything you can have on the S55 save the leather dash. (You can have distronic, parktronic, everything, rear power seats, etc)
But you did say that you wanted to tune - and the S600 is definitely easier to tune and get more power for less. What did you think of your CLK55? In terms of power and acceleration?
In terms of quality control, I don't think the S600 is any better or worse than the S55, in fact the S55 being an AMG it goes through even more of a process in certain terms to make it sportier.
You can have pretty much all of the options from the S600 on the S55, the only difference is that some don't come standard - but anything you can have on the S55 save the leather dash. (You can have distronic, parktronic, everything, rear power seats, etc)
But you did say that you wanted to tune - and the S600 is definitely easier to tune and get more power for less. What did you think of your CLK55? In terms of power and acceleration?
1) What were the options for the '03 & '04 S600? I understand there weren't many.
2) Are there any differences between '03 & '04?
3) Are there any known problems for these cars? Mechanical? Electrical?
4) Is there a way to slightly lower the ride height? Any downsides?
5) Other than Renntech, who makes a nice reliable ECU upgrade?
6) It appears there is a large price difference between cars with <60k miles and over 60k miles.... My daily commute is less than 10 miles round trip, so would it make sense for me to purchase a higher mileage car and save the cash? There is one that has 100k miles and asking $17k. I could pick it up and get a warranty for around $4,000.... Thoughts?
7) What is the recommended maintenance schedule? The reason I ask this is so that I know when the next big one is and take in into account.... for instance, I could find a nice one with 58k miles and end up spending a ton on a 60k mile service.
Thanks for reading this and I look forward to your feedback. I appreciate your help.
2) The only two I can think of are that the COMAND systems on the '03s run with CD based navigation and the '04s have DVD. Also on the '03s there was an AUX plug in the glovebox, handy for a clean iPod connection but that went away with '04 onwards.
3) Quite a few; ABC being the primary and most expensive. You'll also encounter random electrical gremlins...in my year or ownership I've had a Parktronic sensor go, the Keyless Door handle replaced, an AC fan for sensor in the rear view mirror, another AC sensor and a tire pressure monitor go. Nothing mission critical but in all but one case those were covered by MB CPO so it didn't cost anything to fix.
4) Not done anything myself but you can lower the car with links. There's a kit that's about $180 and it's a very easy do. Several threads on here and the S Class AMG forum about it.
5) Pass
6) I did this. Last year I was looking for an '05/'06 with less than 40,000 on the clock. Was expecting to get not much change from $40k, but then an '04 popped up locally with 67,000 on it for much less. As I have a 2 mile commute to work it made sense to get a slightly higher mileage and then my small use would get the miles back in better order. Chrysler would do a warranty that covers ABC for cars up to 70,000 miles at time of application. Alas they do not cover ABC cars any longer.
7) Every 10,000 miles or so. Servicing isn't all that expensive IMO. My dealer charges $440 for Service B and $250 for a Service A.
W220s are so cheap it's ridiculous and the '04s are right at the bottom end of the steepest part of the depreciation curve. The '04s/'05s/'06s are much more reliable than the '00s-'02s but with the '04s you're not paying a whole lot more for them.
I don't think the S55s have the alcantara headliner (the S65s do) but my e-brochure does say they have, "Hand-fitted AMG-design glove-soft Nappa leather seating surfaces with perforated inserts and metal AMG badges. Premium leather on remainder of seats, seatback pockets, center armrests and door trim inserts".
Good luck with your search!
Last edited by Fraser; Dec 20, 2010 at 01:11 PM.
This is excellent feedback and I will certainly come back to it when it's time to make a choice. I guess all that's left is to drive a few and maybe one of each (S55 & S600) to see which on I like best. Thanks again.2) The only two I can think of are that the COMAND systems on the '03s run with CD based navigation and the '04s have DVD. Also on the '03s there was an AUX plug in the glovebox, handy for a clean iPod connection but that went away with '04 onwards.
3) Quite a few; ABC being the primary and most expensive. You'll also encounter random electrical gremlins...in my year or ownership I've had a Parktronic sensor go, the Keyless Door handle replaced, an AC fan for sensor in the rear view mirror, another AC sensor and a tire pressure monitor go. Nothing mission critical but in all but one case those were covered by MB CPO so it didn't cost anything to fix.
4) Not done anything myself but you can lower the car with links. There's a kit that's about $180 and it's a very easy do. Several threads on here and the S Class AMG forum about it.
5) Pass
6) I did this. Last year I was looking for an '05/'06 with less than 40,000 on the clock. Was expecting to get not much change from $40k, but then an '04 popped up locally with 67,000 on it for much less. As I have a 2 mile commute to work it made sense to get a slightly higher mileage and then my small use would get the miles back in better order. Chrysler would do a warranty that covers ABC for cars up to 70,000 miles at time of application. Alas they do not cover ABC cars any longer.
7) Every 10,000 miles or so. Servicing isn't all that expensive IMO. My dealer charges $440 for Service B and $250 for a Service A.
W220s are so cheap it's ridiculous and the '04s are right at the bottom end of the steepest part of the depreciation curve. The '04s/'05s/'06s are much more reliable than the '00s-'02s but with the '04s you're not paying a whole lot more for them.
I don't think the S55s have the alcantara headliner (the S65s do) but my e-brochure does say they have, "Hand-fitted AMG-design glove-soft Nappa leather seating surfaces with perforated inserts and metal AMG badges. Premium leather on remainder of seats, seatback pockets, center armrests and door trim inserts".
Good luck with your search!
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ing at you, but the car in general!I've not heard of any recurring problems with the forced induction W220s.
I have 2005 S600 and I really love the car, but I'm sooo happy to have extended warranty. Without warranty, you can be out 1/3 of your purchase price in a single visit to mechanic. In looking back, although I think it's pretty special to have V12TT and I also wanted the superior workmanship of the S600 interior, if I could get a Designo S55 with warranty, that would be a BETTER car for me. Perhaps I'm just snobby, but I didn't like regular S55 interior(which I had in my 2002 S55). That said, a clean S55 w/ Designo was impossible to find, and if I found one w/ warranty, it'd probably be more expensive than my S600...so it didn't really make sense.
P.S. I really love my recent 2006 CLK55 Cab...so fun to have a little rocket after driving the S600. Kind of like putting on athletic Nikes after taking off some Ferragamos shoes.
p.p.s. if you don't mind some light exterior scratches, perhaps you can make me an offer on my perfect interior fully loaded 2005 S600 54k miles with 22 months of zero deductible MB warranty. PM me if you're serious.
Patrick
I have 2005 S600 and I really love the car, but I'm sooo happy to have extended warranty. Without warranty, you can be out 1/3 of your purchase price in a single visit to mechanic. In looking back, although I think it's pretty special to have V12TT and I also wanted the superior workmanship of the S600 interior, if I could get a Designo S55 with warranty, that would be a BETTER car for me. Perhaps I'm just snobby, but I didn't like regular S55 interior(which I had in my 2002 S55). That said, a clean S55 w/ Designo was impossible to find, and if I found one w/ warranty, it'd probably be more expensive than my S600...so it didn't really make sense.
P.S. I really love my recent 2006 CLK55 Cab...so fun to have a little rocket after driving the S600. Kind of like putting on athletic Nikes after taking off some Ferragamos shoes.
p.p.s. if you don't mind some light exterior scratches, perhaps you can make me an offer on my perfect interior fully loaded 2005 S600 54k miles with 22 months of zero deductible MB warranty. PM me if you're serious.
Patrick
BTW, what warranty company would you recommend? I heard that no one is willing to warranty the S600. Another issue is convenience.... having a warranty is great but making a trip to the dealer every week can become time consuming and a drag. What was your experience with ownership?
Some options to look for:
1. AMG package: Just body moldings and rims, but looks GREAT, IMHO
2. Dynamic seats: AS was said not great, but again a MUST IMHO
3. Heated steering wheel: GOD how I wish I had this one.
4. Distronic: I have said this before, is WORTHLESS. I will not go into more detail just check my posts as to why, aka traffic ANY.
5. Designer interiors, nice IF you can find one.
6. Rear sun shades: A MUST if you have kids, enough said.
7. Park tronic: Stock on the 600's
8. Key less go: Another MUST have, IMHO
That's it for what I recall. Again I have posted about this a while back.
Do some digging, and check some posts as it is all here.
PS: GET a warranty. I have NEVER used mine, but it is VERY nice to know its there. Wait, I did have my TPS system fixed last year, me bad.
Last edited by MRAMG1; Dec 21, 2010 at 03:41 PM.
Some options to look for:
1. AMG package: Just body moldings and rims, but looks GREAT, IMHO
2. Dynamic seats: AS was said not great, but again a MUST IMHO
3. Heated steering wheel: GOD how I wish I had this one.
4. Distronic: I have said this before, is WORTHLESS. I will not go into more detail just check my posts as to why, aka traffic ANY.
5. Designer interiors, nice IF you can find one.
6. Rear sun shades: A MUST if you have kids, enough said.
7. Park tronic: Stock on the 600's
8. Key less go: Another MUST have, IMHO
That's it for what I recall. Again I have posted about this a while back.
Do some digging, and check some posts as it is all here.
PS: GET a warranty. I have NEVER used mine, but it is VERY nice to know its there. Wait, I did have my TPS system fixed last year, me bad.
In PA MB recommends Easycare and it was great for my AMG repairs with a zero deductible
Also, is there a site out there where I can search maintenace history by VIN?
Go into their service department and let them know you are going to be buying the warranty from them. That will loosen them up
Not all dealerships are willing to help! For a Lexus, you can do this directly on their site... nice.
He just did for me.
He purchased me an 04 S600 w/ 31k miles for $26k.
If you can be a little patient, as I was, he will find you the right deal for your budget.
I will also be buying a Fidelity warranty through him because Fidelity is very reliable.
Bruce is a trustworthy guy who only deals in solid vehicles. He REALLY knows cars, especiually MB's.
If you need his contact info, send me a PM.
-Chris
Last edited by scarybary; Dec 27, 2010 at 03:57 PM. Reason: typos

I haven't heard of an engine or turbo going in less than 150-200k miles unless someone messed with the ecu improperly.





