2004 Mercedes s600 - Random misfire at hard acceleration
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2004 Mercedes s600 - Random misfire at hard acceleration
Brand new spark plugs, got both the coil-pack rebuild by RMT in FL last year and a year later having P0300 (random) along with Clyinder 1, 5 and 6. These are the only cylinder that are misfiring and it only happens when I accelerate hard or full pedal. I can't believe if i have to send it out again to get it rebuild. Is their anything else I can check that might be causing it, its odd it only happens hard acceleration and its always random but sometimes all 1,5,6 show up, sometimes only cylinder 5 shows up. I can drive the car normal with out triggering the check engine light but im about sell the car and want to get this addressed before selling.
Its a 2004 Mercedes s600. Any advise help be great, is their anything else that might be issue here since it only happens at hard acceleration with same cylinders misfiring ?
Its a 2004 Mercedes s600. Any advise help be great, is their anything else that might be issue here since it only happens at hard acceleration with same cylinders misfiring ?
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Rebuildmastertech rmt is garbage
buy new from fcpeuro who offers a lifetime warranty
or buy rebuild from Clark at v12icpack.com who rebuilds them properly
coulf also be o2 sensor or accelerator pedal or cps but most likely it's the coil
buy new from fcpeuro who offers a lifetime warranty
or buy rebuild from Clark at v12icpack.com who rebuilds them properly
coulf also be o2 sensor or accelerator pedal or cps but most likely it's the coil
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Thanks for quick replay. I do realize that RMT is garbage now, it cost me $750 for each, got both replaced at same time just a year ago, they don't offer rebuild on website anymore but i emailed them and they said they would rebuild it for $500 since its days out of the warranty. Shouldn't the o2 throw a different code, and accelerator pedal i heard problems with but i thought it had its own code as well. CPS is that crankshaft sensor? Ill look into that, its just always the one bank and the same three cylinders misfiring, sometimes together sometimes separate along with random, i just can't link that to the acc. pedal. Now the o2 or cats might be issue since its on one bank but i checked cats temperature when running and its same as the other side. shouldn't o2 throw their own code ? I know sometimes they don't at all, but in these situation i do get a check engine light.
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you can only read the cat codes properly with SDS (code TWC DAMAGE) , which will shut down affected cylinders to prevent damage (due to bad O2 sensor readings)
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Interesting, so if o2 is bad it shuts of cylinder but would it also throw a p0300 random misfire ? P0135, po147, po155 and p0167 are all the o2 sensors codes, if they aren't triggered by a bad o2 sensor which i know can happen, but would they still throw code p0301 for example? If the o2 sensor shut the cylinder off it should come up on ur OBDII as o2 sensor, otherwise the cylinder wouldn't get shut down ? Just trying narrow it down, i have taken my car apart one to many times and with such big engine, the heat is killing everything around it so when i remove things they usually brittle and break. I took my car to Mercedes dealership for a rear main seal and they messed things up even more years ago and i am not welcome back, otherwise I would take it to them and find out what problem is before I start taking things apart.
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We told you the possibilities stop questioning it and start trouble shooting .
Clark at v12icpack.com
offers a coil and voltage transformer rental program to rule those parts out . That would be my first step . Rent both and see if it fixes it
if not Then o2 sensors , then cps
Clark at v12icpack.com
offers a coil and voltage transformer rental program to rule those parts out . That would be my first step . Rent both and see if it fixes it
if not Then o2 sensors , then cps
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Interesting, so if o2 is bad it shuts of cylinder but would it also throw a p0300 random misfire ? P0135, po147, po155 and p0167 are all the o2 sensors codes, if they aren't triggered by a bad o2 sensor which i know can happen, but would they still throw code p0301 for example? If the o2 sensor shut the cylinder off it should come up on ur OBDII as o2 sensor, otherwise the cylinder wouldn't get shut down ? Just trying narrow it down, i have taken my car apart one to many times and with such big engine, the heat is killing everything around it so when i remove things they usually brittle and break. I took my car to Mercedes dealership for a rear main seal and they messed things up even more years ago and i am not welcome back, otherwise I would take it to them and find out what problem is before I start taking things apart.
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We told you the possibilities stop questioning it and start trouble shooting .
Clark at v12icpack.com
offers a coil and voltage transformer rental program to rule those parts out . That would be my first step . Rent both and see if it fixes it
if not Then o2 sensors , then cps
Clark at v12icpack.com
offers a coil and voltage transformer rental program to rule those parts out . That would be my first step . Rent both and see if it fixes it
if not Then o2 sensors , then cps
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Ok, if thats the case then it wouldn't surprise me being the o2's. I would be very happy if thats the problem, appreciate all your input Kraut. I will get a proper reading of the o2's this weekend.
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weve clearly laid out steps to troubleshoot , go and do the troubleshooting
All you are doing now is wasting our time with more questions, and until
you have tried what's been recommended and report back with the results there is nothing more we can offer
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It's the coil 95% of the time. Rebuilds are guesswork at best and not enough of a savings to justify, you can get new ones for a little over 1k if you shop around, and they work without a doubt.
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very soon you won't be welcome back here just like you aren't welcome at Mercedes dealer .
weve clearly laid out steps to troubleshoot , go and do the troubleshooting
All you are doing now is wasting our time with more questions, and until
you have tried what's been recommended and report back with the results there is nothing more we can offer
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Didn't expect it to come back so soon, i just got them rebuild last year. Had i known this might happen, I would have gone with FCP and payed extra for the lifetime warranty, peace of mind is priceless. Good chance is o2 which im having checked properly this weekend, if not its the dam coil again.
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Need to jump in here....... My rebuilds involve no guesswork ! Guaranteed to work and never had one come back - coming up on 500 units out in field world-wide. I know you meant everyone else's rebuilds...... :-) Clark V12icpack.com
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Clark I had mine rebuild last year, both of them and got the o2 sensors checked last week and they are all reading good. How much would you charge me for one coil to be send in and rebuild. I just went through all this last year and can't believe I got to do it again.
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TS, I have to assume these aren't my packs !?? Since I've never had one fail, I'm a little anxious to get one back some time and see where the weak link is - if there is one. The best way to tell if you got scammed is...... its not possible to buy ignition coils that are stamped with "Temic" or "Beru" part numbers like the OEM ones. If your "rebuilt" coil packs are stamped then they were used parts that passed a spark test and combined with others to make up a temporarily functional coil pack. If the guide tubes are smooth with no markings at least they were brand new aftermarket ignition coils. To answer your question, you have two options 1). Send me your pack and I'll verify its good/no good. Rebuild price is $699 with all new coils and there are about 25 key electronic components that I check for spec compliance and replace as required. 2).I try to keep a tested, ready to ship inventory on the shelf. Over the last two years I have purchased about 75 coil packs to support this exchange program ( I have 9 right now, the rest are out all over the planet). You can buy one off the shelf for $699 plus a $300 core charge. When you get it and it fixes your problem just send back your old one and I'll refund the $300 core charge the same day I get it. If it does not fix your issue, send it back and I'll refund the $699 and the $300 core charge - less $90 rental fee if that option wasn't paid for at the time of ordering. Literally, in the last two weeks I have shipped to South Africa, New Zealand, UAE, Switzerland, UK, Finland and all over the US. Can you imagine what I would be dealing with if these things didn't work !
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TS, I have to assume these aren't my packs !?? Since I've never had one fail, I'm a little anxious to get one back some time and see where the weak link is - if there is one. The best way to tell if you got scammed is...... its not possible to buy ignition coils that are stamped with "Temic" or "Beru" part numbers like the OEM ones. If your "rebuilt" coil packs are stamped then they were used parts that passed a spark test and combined with others to make up a temporarily functional coil pack. If the guide tubes are smooth with no markings at least they were brand new aftermarket ignition coils. To answer your question, you have two options 1). Send me your pack and I'll verify its good/no good. Rebuild price is $699 with all new coils and there are about 25 key electronic components that I check for spec compliance and replace as required. 2).I try to keep a tested, ready to ship inventory on the shelf. Over the last two years I have purchased about 75 coil packs to support this exchange program ( I have 9 right now, the rest are out all over the planet). You can buy one off the shelf for $699 plus a $300 core charge. When you get it and it fixes your problem just send back your old one and I'll refund the $300 core charge the same day I get it. If it does not fix your issue, send it back and I'll refund the $699 and the $300 core charge - less $90 rental fee if that option wasn't paid for at the time of ordering. Literally, in the last two weeks I have shipped to South Africa, New Zealand, UAE, Switzerland, UK, Finland and all over the US. Can you imagine what I would be dealing with if these things didn't work !
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See thats same with RPM whom i got it done with a year ago, they give you a 1 year and tell you they will take care of you if something happens after that. Turns out it did, when I contacted them they said they would go down to $500 which is still ridiculous. Not trying knock you v12rebuild it seems you have a good reputation but I think at this point paying $1300 for lifetime warranty is way to go. Thanks for your help I'm still debating what to do.
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I do have a pair of cores if you are interested. One has a broken coil (first cyl, first coil, stayed on the engine when the pack came off for plugs), the other was starting to misfire on #10/#11 at times under load. Also have a transformer as I replaced it with the newest unit at the same time.
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I pay $100/core and you have to pay to get it here....... ship as slow as you want to save $$. I appreciate the references ! I just got a source on new covers so all rebuilds will be going out with new covers on them too.
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Lifetime warranty on Coil Packs $999
See thats same with RPM whom i got it done with a year ago, they give you a 1 year and tell you they will take care of you if something happens after that. Turns out it did, when I contacted them they said they would go down to $500 which is still ridiculous. Not trying knock you v12rebuild it seems you have a good reputation but I think at this point paying $1300 for lifetime warranty is way to go. Thanks for your help I'm still debating what to do.
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Yes, 12 new coils and there are about 25 semiconductor components that need to be checked to make sure they're not blown or still within spec. Very few packs can just get new coils and work.....
I have seen it all
nice !
bad part for Europeens is the taxes, that takes your price up to very close to new
