Perhaps a picture of the Mercedes you refer to would have been better than a side-by-side picture of the same exact car...

If you dont see the family resemblence through the entire line

those are sweet rims and front spoiler on your sig....by the way, this bickering about suspension is fruitless. The "feel" of a car...the connection you get to the road....it all depends on the suspension. You can modify parts of any suspension or wheels/tires to get better "feel". You guys are really bickering about what stock suspension feels like this or that...and that really means you are bickering about which engineers did what with whatever budget they were given.

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Looks wise, the new LS is OK (every time I drive next to one Im not impressed in the least)...but the new S is awesome (everytime I drive next to one I check it out and think it would probably be my choice for a flagship sedan). Driving wise we can agree that theyre pretty close compared to a real drivers car, but the S still has that german feel we all love....well most of us anyhow.

I didn't/couldn't notice any resemblence between a Mercedes and a Chrysler...

That's not the only Mercedes ever made, I've only owned about 10 MBZ, what do I know

People can see the 7 series in a lexus but cant find the mopar craftsmanship or the MBZ styling in the Chrysler line

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do....photopanel..1

what a POS! need i say more.

OMG....that fuel economy sucks!!!....20mpg city, 22mpg highway.....BAHAHAHA....i get 19/27mpg!!!

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Nope none at all, maybe in a C Class and the only so called lux cars i see stranded on the side of the road are BMs, oh wait, i was stranded on the side of the road in a benz once when i ran out of gas . . .

In the end... it's still a lexus.

The LS looks amazing...hell I love the LS460. But the LS600 may be another story. What irks me is how much they've spent advertising fuel economy of a V8 or something and performance of a V12.

Fuel economy may be the same as a V8, maybe even worse depending on how you drive, but it has nowhere near the performance of a V12.

Yay!
Obviously, not very much...

Lexus quality is unbeatable...but hell for 111k I'm sure as hell not buying that instead of a fully loaded S550 4-matic w/pano roof, amg pkg and the works

The mb has 50 or so less hp but is still faster and more fuel efficient (maybe ) then the lexus

S550 4matic is 15 mpg city / 22 mpg hwy Whereas the LS600 20mpg city, 22mpg highway and 50 more HP is supposidly a POS.

Braheem, I think that possibly what the others on this board are trying to say about the Lexus is that no matter how many high-tech gadgets they put in it, it'll never be a Mercedes. It just doesn't have that aura, that Mercedes feel and, let's be honest, image.

Plus, based on recent magazine test drives of the new LS600, it's actually a good bit slower than an S550.

But yes, it is definitely still a very very nice car, but just not quite up to an S550, much less an S600, which is leagues above in performance terms.

The S class and the LS cannot be compared because they are going after two different customers. LS is a Luxury riding car and the S Class is more sporty. But if you really want a sporty ride then buy the BMW 7 even though it is ugly. That said the Benz's that have been produced after 2000 are total garbage. They have consistently gone lower in all JD Power and Consumer Report ratings in quality. I have had a C320, E500 and a S430 in our family and all of them are unreliable and rust buckets ( Canada hence the shortest rust warranty of all the luxury manufacturers ). Not to mention service is horrible compared to Lexus. I have just recently traded in my S-class in for the GS and I can tell you I am completely happy that I did. Mercedes is heading in totally the wrong direction with quality and design. When BMW came out with the 7 series people criticized the Bangle butt looking trunk lid and then Mercedes goes and does a similiar looking trunk, then the interior uses the ugly looking painted metallic buttons that you see on the chrysler cars. With the Lexus atleast you get quality materials but the LS460 could use a little more pizzaz in the interior while the exterior is tastefully done without copying BMW trunk.
After experiencing the garbage that Mercedes is putting out I can't understand why anyone will buy this junk other than for prestige and tell their friends that they have a Merc. It is THE MOST UNRELIABLE MANUFACTURER OUT OF 36 auto manufacturers in Consumer Reports it is not the most sporty handling which is BMW and if you want the most Luxurious then that goes to Lexus. So the question is why people buy the Mercedes? Answer = Prestige only or your word aura

Lexus doesn't want to be a Mercedes at the current moment I believe because that would not be beneficial to Lexus with all the current problems that Mercedes is having.

Flame suit on

That's not true at all...atleast I think so. This is how I see it..

Mercedes > BMW > Lexus > Audi..etc

No offense to BMW owners.

The S class is in a different league than the LS. The S class is definatly a better car in terms of technology..speed...luxury. You can't really compare the S class and the LS..... I would never pay $100k+ for a Lexus, it reminds me of the V-Dub Phaeton, a car that costs to much for the "brand" so to speak.

Comparing the S class to the 7 series however, is definatly a better comparison.



Are you kidding me? So basically.... you're saying the 9th generation S class is a crappy car. My 2001 S55 AMG was an AMAZING car. My 2004 SL500 is an AMAZING car, my 2006 CLS55 AMG is an AMAZING car. I seriously don't know what you're talking about.



I'm sorry you have had bad experiances with Mercedes but atleast for me and most likely the majority of Mercedes owners, we love our cars.


I buy Mercedes because it IS quality, craftsmanship, luxury, etc. They are nice cars.




The LS is still a nice car, but the S class is and will always be better IMO.
I'm not trying to flame you or get on your case but..

You don't see heads of country's and people of power driving around in a lexus or BMW, you see them being driven in Mercedes Benz S Classes and for good reason

The S Class will always be the epitome of luxury sedans, no car in the world has the feel or prestige of a Mercedes, BMWs have ugly body styling, lacking interiors and slow band of power, Lexus feels like all other Japanese cars with leather and wood thrown in

The S Class is a meld of luxury, sport, elegance and reliability in a way that no other car company has been able to touch since the first S Class was released

Historically the S Class has set the standard for car technologies that all other car companies copy in the future such as ABS, Airbags, Seat belts and not to mention the internal combustion engine powered automobile itself which was first built for practical use by Karl Benz in 1885

So you can make that picture in your sig as big as you want it won't make the car anything more than a glamorized Toyota

HELLO READ CONSUMER REPORTS AND JD POWER WHICH USES CONSUMER FEEDBACK AND SURVEYS. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT YOUR ONE OF THE FEW.



HELLO READ CONSUMER REPORTS AND JD POWER WHICH USES CONSUMER FEEDBACK AND SURVEYS. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT YOUR ONE OF THE FEW


THIS IS JUST YOUR OPINION BUT NOT OF THE MAJORITY OF THE OWNERS THAT HAVE TAKEN SURVEYS FOR THE AUTO INDUSTRIES LEADING PUBLICATIONS SUCH AS JD POWER AND CONSUMER REPORTS. MERCEDES DIDN'T USE JD POWER FOR A FEW YEARS BUT HAVE SINCE GONE BACK TO USING JD POWER TO JUDGE IT'S OWN QUALITY ON IT'S VEHICLES.


I am just using the facts that are available and from experience while you are using only your experience from your vehicle. Try doing a search and see how many disgruntled MB owners their are.

Many American Presidents are driven around in a Town car limousine or a Cadillac so does that mean it is the best car? Also many German presidents are also driven around in a BMW so not sure what you are saying.

Correct I said S-classes from 2000 on so your older mercedes are well built cars but the current ones are still garbage according to many mercedes owners that are contacted by leading industry publications such as JD POWER AND CONSUMER REPORTS to take their survey.

Haven't you looked at the new 221 interior yet? Tell me honestly that the metallic looking buttons and layout are not derived from chrysler or some other american auto manufacturer.

I see you got your all caps button fixed too.

JD Powers is a complete joke. It's not as accurate as you think. Those who have unreliable cars and are disgruntled are more likely to complete the survey just to have the feeling that they're opinion is being heard.

Those with completely reliable cars simply toss it aside and take the time that would have been spent filling out the survey and drive the car. That's my view on it.

thank you. I feel exactly the way you do.

Thats just a cop out argument people who are completely happy with their vehicles have just as much incentive to boast about their vehicles as disgruntled owners just like this forum which have people happy and unhappy with their cars. What Toyota and Lexus owners are different and they like to boast about their cars and MB owners don't. Are you saying MB owners are whiners like me and other manufacturers don't have similiar owners that whine. The fact is that you may be one of the few who actually is lucky enough to get a MB without problems.
If JD Power was so useless then explain why Mercedes Benz have resigned with JD Power to use there data and why almost every manufacturer uses JD Power to judge their own quality.
You still are using opinion to argue your points start showing me some facts. I am not trying to say the MB drives bad as I mentioned that MB and Lexus are going after different customers as well as BMW. I am saying it is unreliable and that the quality is going the wrong way since to 2000 and that facts back up my experience and information given to me by mechanics and bodyshop people.

riger, have you owned a new MBZ product?

The new W221 (S class) has no major problems and is far more reliable than JD powers would like you to think. The updated E class again has no major problems.

So do some research before you open your mouth. Can you even afford a real car?