S-Class (W221) 2007-2013: S 320 CDI, S 350, S 450, S 500, S 550, S 420 CDI, S 600

08 W221 S550 no start

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Rate Thread
 
Old 11-29-2013, 07:25 PM
  #1  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
scarter308's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
08 S550
08 W221 S550 no start

Need help, replaced a dead starter battery with factory replacement after
previous battery was charged with charger would not hold charge, car would not crank. Now, Fuse 9( ignition (20A)) in the fuse block next to battery keeps blowing. Engine does not crank, interior car has power.
Old 04-09-2014, 06:08 PM
  #2  
Newbie
 
gogomomo72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
s550 2008
Good day All :

Can some one please assist me ?

I have a 2008 S-550 ..Few days ago I was driving ..Stooped for a coffee
Then I try to start the car and it will not Crank !!! all the lights are on .

I tested the front Battery and the back and they show Strong Voltage !!
I Tap'd on the Starter and try to start but no luck !

Mercedes Dealer did scan and it show'd nothing wrong !!
I am Scared if it the Engine seized ... that's a lot of Money but if it did .. it should Crank !!

Also ...Could it be a fuel Issue ??

If we change the Starter and it is still not cranking , what shall I do ?

Thx
Old 04-10-2014, 12:46 AM
  #3  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
scarter308's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
08 S550
Star diagnostics would've identified any issue with no start....


the starter will not engage? or motor spins and that's why you think fuel issue?
Old 04-10-2014, 06:20 AM
  #4  
Newbie
 
gogomomo72's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
s550 2008
No engaging on starter at all , no crank , engine does not spin at all.
Old 04-10-2014, 11:13 PM
  #5  
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
scarter308's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
08 S550
Have you tested all the fuses and relays?
Old 03-21-2015, 10:28 AM
  #6  
Newbie
 
Waool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
C class
I have the same problem after a jumpstart was reversed in polarity, did you fix it????
my scanner is showing fault in the alternator and fuse 9 is leading to the driver side front SAM module.
Old 07-16-2016, 06:01 PM
  #7  
Newbie
 
patrickinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2007 S550
Was there any resolution to this issue?
Old 07-16-2016, 09:37 PM
  #8  
alx
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
alx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,268
Received 247 Likes on 213 Posts
Originally Posted by scarter308
Need help, replaced a dead starter battery with factory replacement after
previous battery was charged with charger would not hold charge, car would not crank. Now, Fuse 9( ignition (20A)) in the fuse block next to battery keeps blowing. Engine does not crank, interior car has power.
Starter or starter relay stuck/ seized.

Tap starter with rubber mallet. See if it cranks.
Old 07-17-2016, 07:20 AM
  #9  
Member
 
GPrime2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 104
Received 4 Likes on 3 Posts
2007 Mercedes S600
Originally Posted by scarter308
Need help, replaced a dead starter battery with factory replacement after
previous battery was charged with charger would not hold charge, car would not crank. Now, Fuse 9( ignition (20A)) in the fuse block next to battery keeps blowing. Engine does not crank, interior car has power.
I'm showing fuse #9 in the front pre-fuse box as being a 20 amp fuse that powers the front SAM. If that's blowing as soon as you put a fuse in it, you have a wiring issue in the front SAM, something is shorted in or around the front SAM. If the front SAM isn't getting power, the car won't crank since the starter relays are in there (specifically relay H and J).

Figure out why that fuse keeps blowing (don't jump it, it likely has a real problem and you don't want to kill the front SAM) and you'll likely get the car started.
Old 07-19-2016, 08:33 PM
  #10  
Newbie
 
patrickinard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2007 S550
s550 starter location

Where is the starter located on the engine block of a w221?
Old 07-20-2016, 12:35 PM
  #11  
Out Of Control!!
 
konigstiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 15,903
Received 4,415 Likes on 3,145 Posts
'71 Pinto
Note, for 4matic starter is located on the left side.
Attached Thumbnails 08 W221 S550 no start-capture.jpg  
Attached Files
File Type: pdf
starter.pdf (173.8 KB, 1588 views)
Old 07-30-2016, 09:52 AM
  #12  
Junior Member
 
whatsup?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Benz S550
Can someone please help me locate fuse #9? i opened the fuse box (driver side under the hood), can seem to locate fuse #9.
Old 07-30-2016, 11:19 AM
  #13  
Junior Member
 
whatsup?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Benz S550
so i noticed fuse #9 was blown and changed it. I started the car but as soon as i turned it off and try to restart it again it wont start. I checked fuse #9 and its blown again. What could be the reason why fuse #9 keeps blowing?
Old 07-30-2016, 08:12 PM
  #14  
alx
MBWorld Fanatic!
 
alx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 4,268
Received 247 Likes on 213 Posts
Corrosion under fuse panel or front sam is bad
Old 05-02-2019, 01:37 PM
  #15  
Junior Member
 
Sumit Bhasin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 45
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
W221
Where is Fuse #9? Seems like fuse numbers start from F40.
Old 05-02-2019, 02:46 PM
  #16  
Out Of Control!!
 
konigstiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 15,903
Received 4,415 Likes on 3,145 Posts
'71 Pinto
GPrime2 is referring to front pre-fuse box in engine compartment.



Old 05-02-2019, 04:07 PM
  #17  
Newbie
 
Waool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
C class
it was the relay in the front right side fuse box in the engine compartment that keeps the number 9 fuse blowing

"driver side front SAM module."
Old 05-02-2019, 04:10 PM
  #18  
Junior Member
 
Sumit Bhasin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 45
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
W221
Thanks for the quick reply guys.
I've checked everything 1) battery, 2) fuses, 3) relays and they all check out.
The motor does not crank, no clicks, nothing. But all lights light up.
Looks like it is the starter. Hope its not anything more complicated like the fuel pump.
Old 05-03-2019, 12:07 PM
  #19  
Super Member
 
dlafever's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Aridzona
Posts: 630
Received 81 Likes on 71 Posts
'15 S550, '10 E350 P1/P2, '02 ML320
Sumit I would strongly advise you have the car diagnosed with the SDS. The power connections on this car are far from straightforward as I learned recently. The fuel pump would not prevent the starter from turning, but there are a several other conditions that might.
Old 05-03-2019, 12:39 PM
  #20  
Junior Member
 
Sumit Bhasin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 45
Received 6 Likes on 6 Posts
W221
Thanks dlafever. I'm getting it towed to the mechanic and they will surely hook up the computer before doing anything.
BTW, I did manage to tap the starter a few times. After I did that, the car started to make a single click when I twisted the key. But still won't start. Sounding more and more like a bad starter.
Old 05-17-2019, 03:34 PM
  #21  
Newbie
 
MbStarC4Newbie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
2007 S550
Originally Posted by scarter308
Need help, replaced a dead starter battery with factory replacement after
previous battery was charged with charger would not hold charge, car would not crank. Now, Fuse 9( ignition (20A)) in the fuse block next to battery keeps blowing. Engine does not crank, interior car has power.
I have the same problem after reversing the polaritys while jumping the battery. Now the 20A fuse keeps blowing...find a solution??
Old 06-26-2019, 11:49 PM
  #22  
Newbie
 
dan9100's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 13
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
CharlesStyncOB
Prefuse box location



I have a 2011 w221 S550 - non 4matic or amg upgrade. My problem started at the detail shop. Someone left the doors open and moved seats, opened and closed windows etc... and left the key on for about 5 hours. In short the battery was ran down when I went and tried start it. I push the keyless button and engine tried to start but not enough life in battery. Two attempts and third was nothing. First they tried a battery charger then jump start!! Yes a jump start. Still nothing. Everything has power, seats, windows, tilt steering, dash, a/c fan, etc... just not starting. AAA came to jump start still nothing and battery checked out good. I had it towed to my house and parked in driveway under a tree. I disconnected battery and I hooked up my battery charger, set it to AGM, trickle charge. Two days pass on charger and still no start. No changes to power. During this time I check out all the fuses and relays in the N10/1 Front SAM control unit and watched several youtube videos trying to discover some small detail that will solve my problem. No magic there So now I see a reference to a F32/3 Prefuse Box near the battery left by "konigstiger" and it it looks similar to what I have in my car but different. I see in the fuse chart there is a F3211 Starter and F3212 Alternator fuse. I would like to know if this Prefuse box is on my 2011 w221 S550 and if it is the same diagram and schematic. And if so, is the alternator fuse or the starter fuse a part of my car and where is it on my car? I have attached a picture of my battery and most of the engine bay as a reference to locate it.
One more thing, when the dash lights are on, and there are a bunch of em, there are no errors or warnings. I have tried with and without keyless button and two different keys with good batteries.
Recently I had another no start issue like this, all power just not engaging the starter on my wife's Lexus and it turned out to be the 120 amp (bolted in) Alternator fuse!

Last edited by dan9100; 06-26-2019 at 11:55 PM. Reason: spelling
Old 06-27-2019, 12:22 PM
  #23  
Out Of Control!!
 
konigstiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 15,903
Received 4,415 Likes on 3,145 Posts
'71 Pinto
See attachments for MY09 >
Attached Files
File Type: pdf
as-built configuration.pdf (641.7 KB, 924 views)
File Type: pdf
interior prefuse box.pdf (27.2 KB, 963 views)
Old 06-27-2019, 11:50 PM
  #24  
Newbie
 
dan9100's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 13
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
CharlesStyncOB
Thanks "konigstiger" for the prefuse box info. I checked all the fuses and connections and they all checked out okay Still a no start issue. Now I am going to verify the same for the N10/1 Front SAM control unit. Do you have a schematic for N10/1 Front SAM box that can be posted?
These pictures are from my F32/3 Prefuse Box.

Old 06-28-2019, 11:56 AM
  #25  
Out Of Control!!
 
konigstiger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: North Scottsdale, AZ
Posts: 15,903
Received 4,415 Likes on 3,145 Posts
'71 Pinto
See attachments
Attached Files
File Type: pdf
F SAM.pdf (46.5 KB, 914 views)
File Type: pdf
F SAM relays.pdf (22.0 KB, 684 views)
File Type: pdf
left of cockpit.pdf (30.9 KB, 507 views)
File Type: pdf
right of cockpit.pdf (31.0 KB, 453 views)
File Type: pdf
R SAM.pdf (42.2 KB, 544 views)
File Type: pdf
R SAM relays.pdf (22.0 KB, 588 views)


You have already rated this thread Rating: Thread Rating: 0 votes,  average.

Quick Reply: 08 W221 S550 no start



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:19 AM.