Originally Posted by K-A

It was a sticker SEPARATE from the window sticker (in 2010 and 2011 M-B's the window stickers didn't state the parts content, it was a separate smaller sticker next to it).

You have to find it regarding 2010 or 2011 M-B's (C Class and GLK included as those had the 50% German figure as well). I'm trying to find it myself. If I'm wrong I'm wrong on this one little matter, but I know I saw that M-B's in 2010/2011 had a little sticker that said 50% German parts.

Originally Posted by Germancar1

BLEEDING EDGE BY USING THE SAME TRANSMISSION THAT A DOZEN OTHER LUXURY CARS HAVE. MORE BULL****.

ALSO THE I6 IS SUPERIOR YES, BUT IS THAT WHY THE 5-SERIES RELIABILITY SUCKS?

NOTICE HOW YOU DROPPED THE RELIABILITY FROM YOUR ARGUMENT?

NOW RINSE AND REPEAT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER UNTIL SOMEONE CARES.

YOU WE'RE WRONG AS **** ON A WHITE TABLECLOTH. YOU CAN NOT LIKE THE E AND BUILD A CASE FOR THE 5-SERIES BEING SUPERIOR, BUT IT ISN'T BASED ON SOME BULL**** ABOUT CHINESE PARTS OR BLEEDING EDGE.

ZF'S 8 SPEED 8HP TRANSMISSION IS USED BY EVERYONE BUT MERCEDES.

A TURBO I6 IS HARDLY BLEEDING EDGE.

SUPERIOR IT MAY BE TO MERCEDES' EQUIVALENTS, BUT BLEEDING EDGE IT ISN'T.


M

Originally Posted by Germancar1

ALL I KNOW IS WHAT I HAVE IN FRONT OF ME NOW. PLEASE FIND IT BECAUSE THE 2014 E-CLASS ISN'T MADE IN CHINA SON.

M

Originally Posted by K-A

I'll post it up on the W212 forum to see what 2010/2011 E owners have, if they saved theirs.

If I'm wrong then I'm wrong on this particular matter (i.e my memory failed me), but it's a rarity.

Originally Posted by K-A

I didn't say it was. The sticker on 2010/2011's I'm almost certain stated that the German content was 50%, there was about 10% in America/Canada/Mexico or something, and the rest was Chinese. If I'm wrong then you can have your one tiny "I'm right!" moment here.

Originally Posted by K-A

No, I just used that as one example as to WHY the E Class is so terrible compared to the 5 Series. It has NO effect on how good the E is. The explanation if the part content is almost equal to the 5 Series then would lie on nothing other than M-B's engineering and design.

Fact is the 5 is still more bleeding-edge, has vastly superior drivetrains especially in 6 cylinder format and a transmission the M-B transmission is eons away from, has a vastly superior suspension, both handles far more sportily (with M suspension, a must) and far more comfortably even WITH RFT's and 19's VS the E's 18's, has far more refined and premium interior materials, less hard and crude plastics, far more advanced infotainment system, much more hi-def larger screen, gets better universal safety scores, has electronics like E-parking brake, HUD, E-brake hold where the E either has nothing or old-school analogue, etc. etc. Not to mention the chassis of the F10 is a whopping 30% stiffer than the E's, which is why the F10 also feels more "Benz-like" than the E to me, i.e more tank-like, much more coddling, isolating and quieter (again, thanks to being over-engineered at its core to be able to hold up to not only the 7 Series but the RR Ghost of which is based on it) yet has a Sport Mode so advanced and comprehensive that a simple press of the button and it becomes a relative adrenaline rush (and gives you FULL use of the paddle shifters with no computer interference) while the E's "Sport" mode is nothing more than a useless gimmick really. 535i's more advanced powertrain also gives off better MPG, smoother operation, etc. The E comes with standard plastic seats (I like MB Tex, btw), the F10 standard leather, I can go on and on.

None of that changes.

E Taxi use can be for a number of reasons, namely M-B perhaps giving better discounts to Taxi fleets as BMW doesn't want to be known as a "Taxi" car as much (the 5 is essentially geared towards a younger and more "spirited" audience anyway). However, YES, I acknowledge M-B's are rock solid and more reliable than BMW's (though the F10 is more solid than the W212 and has FAR less rattles since the W212's terrible suspension dampening over rough roads and softer chassis lead to more noises, creaks and squeaks), no argument, however I'm talking about refinement, material and DRIVING (and tech) quality, not reliability (which M-B is great at now, however at the cost of more "analogue" less bleeding-edge cars, as I pointed out with many examples above).

Originally Posted by Germancar1

Nah I'm laughing at someone so misinformed and desperate. This is hilarious. Why would I be mad when I just proved how idiotic your rhetoric is?

Spin, rinse and repeat...........A TURBO I6 AND AN COMMONLY SHARED GEARBOX ARE NOT BLEEDING EDGE.

They are superior to what Mercedes offers, but you can't accept that you have to stick with the bleeding edge nonsense only to look like a fool.


Guess what I just got emailed to me, the sticker from the 2013 E-CLASS!!! WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE WHAT IT SAYS?????


You are so clueless about what makes a car technically advanced. It isn't a parking brake (again that is on a Ford Fusion) or LEDs or HUD. That is all bulll**** to look good on a window sticker to cluelessers like you. You're so easily influenced it isn't even funny, very child like.

M

Originally Posted by K-A

Interesting because M-B uses vinyl more ubiquitously (and on more higher priced cars) than BMW does, and frankly MB Tex is much better than BMW's Leatherette (vinyl). The perk of that for BMW buyers is that Leatherette's crappiness has forced BMW to just put leather as standard in the 5 Series.

Originally Posted by Quadcammer

for ****s sake people, let this piece of **** thread die already. Its blatantly off topic, and is literally two people providing the same arguments almost verbatim for 300 posts. Neither one of you is changing the other's mind.

enough

Originally Posted by K-A

Oh, you ain't laughing my friend, I am assured of that.

That Turbo I6 and gearbox kill anything M-B has ever put out in this bracket, by miles, as has pretty much every other engineering method applied to the F10 done to anything M-B has put out within this price bracket, ever.

Yes, bleeding edge, trend-setting, you name it. Vastly superior to M-B's 6 cylinder powertrain which YOU acknmowledge, by far, which is what this was all about anyway. You like to argue for the sake of it, that's fine, I have fun with it, and am good at it, but we agree that my point here is met: It's superior to the E Classes powertrain offering.

Again, I said find the sticker SEPARATE to the window sticker on a 2010/2011 E Class, that's the one that said 50% from my memory. Once M-B started putting parts content ON the window sticker (I'm guessing 2012) they moved it up to 73%.... makes no sense. I already said it I realized that it had nothing to do with the facelift after all.

No, of course, nothing makes a car technically advanced unless it's the Star badge. M-B can have a 1940's twist-your-ankle E brake, be the last on the market to apply LED DRL's (and then follow that by the most gaudy and overstated implementations of it to make up for lost time), still have no HUD, still have analogue controls where others now apply electronic, have a tiny screen with Atari-grade resolution.... a crappy 7G tranny, a worst-in-class 6 cylinder, worst suspension dynamics.... 30% less stiff chassis than the F10.... yet none of it matters! Because Mercedes not doing something just means that it doesn't need to be done! Your example of the Fusion just illustrates what the E Class doesn't offer that the Fusion does.

Originally Posted by Germancar1

Let me know when you get a clue about what you're talking about. You're so limited that you don't even get it that Mercedes isn't trying to make the E-Class a sports sedan. For a luxury car buyer who isn't as interested in flinging around corners it works just fine otherwise the car wouldn't be so popular.

No the fact that a Fusion has a E-brake shows you what Mercedes thinks of it. Obviously it isn't important enough to them to have one. Any idiot can see that because clearly a company like Mercedes could put them in every car they make like tomorrow.

NOTHING YOU'VE NAMED IS BLEEDING EDGE.

LET ME KNOW WHEN YOU FIND THE CHINESE STICKERS FOR YOU BENZ CLUELESS.


Insert laughter. You really enjoy making a fool out of yourself don't you? LAME as hell, talking about a damn parking brake and LEDs and HUD to make superior car. Only a complete fool would list those things as bleeding edge technology when a common **** Ford has some of those same things.


Now you're down to the engine and transmission which are better for someone wanting a sports sedan, which the E isn't trying to be. Too bad you can't think for yourself.

Seriously Y T F would a German car built in Germany and sold in America have 40% Chinese parts. THAT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE COMMON SENSE WHICH IS WHY I FACT CHECKED YOUR ***.


M

Originally Posted by K-A

Aww, you mad. Haha, just as I thought, an MB apologist fanboy till the end. So Mercedes only does things that they want to do, huh? That's why they engineered a car so far inferior from the F10 that it got crushed in worldwide sales and is behind in EVERY single respect. That's why they're scrambling with hideous about-facelifts to keep up, why their stock plummets, their market share gets taken, they need to bring FWD models to the States.

It's because they lost their way, and still use dated methods when others have excelled.

Everything I named is bleeding edge. Best powertrains in segment, trend setting innovations, and the 2011 F10 having a chassis practically as rigid as the $100+K S Class that came out several years later?

Yeah, bleeding edge. Now go cry about it some more and give me an all caps PMS tirade again.

Originally Posted by interiormagic

Stop making excuses! The reliability of BMW as a company is dropping, not just the 5 series, it is sad to see a major contender in the automotive industry have been surpassed in every category by everything in its class. Please, no more excuses.