W222 a "heavily facelifted" W221? Rides on same core chassis/architecture
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You are telling me, because you lease your cars, reliability is not something you care about, wow, you are one of a kind. Yes I did say I like the way 2013 535i look, but, not a good enough reason for me to purchase one, the car has too many issues. Do you realize I work on these cars days in days out? If you are thinking of purchasing it after your lease is up, get the extended warranty, it is one of the priciest and problematic BMW to work on, so I will never agree with anything you said above, none of it.
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You are telling me, because you lease your cars, reliability is not something you care about, wow, you are one of a kind. Yes I did say I like the way 2013 535i look, but, not a good enough reason for me to purchase one, the car has too many issues. Do you realize I work on these cars days in days out? If you are thinking of purchasing it after your lease is up, get the extended warranty, it is one of the priciest and problematic BMW to work on, so I will never agree with anything you said above, none of it.
You could hit the kid in the face with a brick full of facts, and he would stick with his story. When shown a sticker from the manufacturer, he determines that they are risking massive liability by "fudging the numbers". If that doesn't show you how delusional he is, I'm not sure what will.
just let it die.
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You are telling me, because you lease your cars, reliability is not something you care about, wow, you are one of a kind. Yes I did say I like the way 2013 535i look, but, not a good enough reason for me to purchase one, the car has too many issues. Do you realize I work on these cars days in days out? If you are thinking of purchasing it after your lease is up, get the extended warranty, it is one of the priciest and problematic BMW to work on, so I will never agree with anything you said above, none of it.
The things about my E that bothered me were a lot more concerning to me, I.e non-premium materials throughout, boring and lethargic powertrains with poor efficiency, styling that dated so quickly MB themselves couldn't even stand by it therefore did an awkward facelift, old school Cadillac handling and steering, harsh ride over rough roads and the fact that as I was close to turning 30 it started making me feel like a geriatric. I just needed something that didn't sacrifice on the things it did well, but was frankly "sexier" and that's exactly what I feel I got.
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there is literally no point.
You could hit the kid in the face with a brick full of facts, and he would stick with his story. When shown a sticker from the manufacturer, he determines that they are risking massive liability by "fudging the numbers". If that doesn't show you how delusional he is, I'm not sure what will.
just let it die.
You could hit the kid in the face with a brick full of facts, and he would stick with his story. When shown a sticker from the manufacturer, he determines that they are risking massive liability by "fudging the numbers". If that doesn't show you how delusional he is, I'm not sure what will.
just let it die.
Fortunately I'm spot on right on everything else here, so it's a non sequitur anyway to my points between the two cars values and characteristics vs each other.
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Who gives a she@t about reliability I'm talking about tangible BUILD quality, i.e interior, fit/finish, areas where the E feels cheap and the F10 like a 7 Series for a budget price with craftsmanship influence from Rolls Royce themselves. You sound like the geriatric every geriatric doesn't want to sound like, making apologies for a lacking product in every other way by touting the least "sexy" advantage a car can have. Good, it's more reliable because it's more simple (too bad you can't knock its horrible suspension and too-weak chassis to handle said suspension for premature rattles, of which the F10's tank-like build will have none of). I Lease these cars, reliability isn't an issue. And my F10 is more reliable than ANY of my 4 Benzes so far, by far, no contest.
The F10 is safer, factually more solid by a whopping 30%, far more premium in material selection, far more advanced in tech, far sportier, far more luxurious even with bigger wheels and 50/50 weight distribution and RFT's and vastly better handling, has a far more comprehensive and engineering-driven Sport Mode, etc. etc. The E Class has nothing on it, but "reliability", because it's analogue, uses a weak N/A V6 in its majority volume cars, uses a dated lethargic 7G, has a low-fi infotainment system that doesn't do much, so not much to break, has no features like Electronic parking brakes, folding mirrors, HUD (things that BMW offer that M-B don't that can add to reliability woes). And even you mentioned the F10 is far sexier than the W212.
You've got nothing like your PMS ranting "ALL CAPS" friend up there.
The F10 is safer, factually more solid by a whopping 30%, far more premium in material selection, far more advanced in tech, far sportier, far more luxurious even with bigger wheels and 50/50 weight distribution and RFT's and vastly better handling, has a far more comprehensive and engineering-driven Sport Mode, etc. etc. The E Class has nothing on it, but "reliability", because it's analogue, uses a weak N/A V6 in its majority volume cars, uses a dated lethargic 7G, has a low-fi infotainment system that doesn't do much, so not much to break, has no features like Electronic parking brakes, folding mirrors, HUD (things that BMW offer that M-B don't that can add to reliability woes). And even you mentioned the F10 is far sexier than the W212.
You've got nothing like your PMS ranting "ALL CAPS" friend up there.
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In 2010/2011 they listed 50% German content then in 12 or 13+ it went up to 73%. I can't keep up with Mercedes' inconsistencies. I said that if I'm wrong on that then I'll admit it.
Fortunately I'm spot on right on everything else here, so it's a non sequitur anyway to my points between the two cars values and characteristics vs each other.
Fortunately I'm spot on right on everything else here, so it's a non sequitur anyway to my points between the two cars values and characteristics vs each other.
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Keep dreaming. You've been owned on every subject here. You've got NOTHING to show for your precious Starship E Class even being on par with the F10. I've thrown everything at you and all you have are cheap apologies and fanboy tirades.
The E Class listed 50% parts in 2010/2011 models. This is exactly what I'm talking about, M-B has no consistency, you don't even know what to believe from them. They can't even stay with a design language for long enough. They're a mess, don't blame me for that, blame them (of course you won't, they're perfection to you, even though I gave you every factual example otherwise, lol.).
Fact is even the F01 got a #1 over the W222, describing a superior RIDE, what does that tell you. It's parallel to what I state about BMW being over M-B these days, and funny thing is, the F01 isn't all that great, not nearly as balanced and well packaged for its segment as the F10 who is overengineered i.e being a smaller 7 Series with Rolls Royce bones, so it paints a picture as to how widely ahead of the W212 the F10 truly is.
The E Class listed 50% parts in 2010/2011 models. This is exactly what I'm talking about, M-B has no consistency, you don't even know what to believe from them. They can't even stay with a design language for long enough. They're a mess, don't blame me for that, blame them (of course you won't, they're perfection to you, even though I gave you every factual example otherwise, lol.).
Fact is even the F01 got a #1 over the W222, describing a superior RIDE, what does that tell you. It's parallel to what I state about BMW being over M-B these days, and funny thing is, the F01 isn't all that great, not nearly as balanced and well packaged for its segment as the F10 who is overengineered i.e being a smaller 7 Series with Rolls Royce bones, so it paints a picture as to how widely ahead of the W212 the F10 truly is.
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And thank you for the smoking gun. Of course he is wrong but won't admit it. We are all fanboys and apologists. He is just delusional on so many levels.
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