W222 a "heavily facelifted" W221? Rides on same core chassis/architecture
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I'm not so impressed by the W222 and actually find it a regression in design. IMO BMW is still holistically ahead.
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E Classy's luxury e250 RWD 0-60 in 7.9sec
Douchebag's sport e250 4matic 0-60 in 8.2sec
It's a real clown show. You can take this over to Bimmerfest for a chuckle.
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Lol if your not impressed with the 222 which I assume you have never been in, the 7 series seems like a dinosaur.
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Lol, I proved you wrong on everything, you have nothing when it comes to this topic. Yeah, a "few test drives" can tell you which car is more solid, and going 40 MPH around a residential area can tell you about "high speed stability". Wrong, just more fanboy rants and argumentative attacking methods.
I HAVE done what you assume on this topic. I HAVE tested both cars through over 40K miles between them now on many long distance trips, through many potholes, I have made high speeds maneuvers, some emergency ones, I know both of these cars like the BACK OF MY HAND! You have nothing here, period. Everything you said about the E "being better" is false, and I proved that, statistically AND with far more experience with you.
If I told you how a 6 Series compares to a CLK430 because I've technically driven both, and was off the mark, you'd actually for once have reason to laugh me off as I have far less experience with those two cars as you do. Reverse that now into how I perceive your "contributions" into a subject of two cars I know extremely well, and you frankly don't.
I HAVE done what you assume on this topic. I HAVE tested both cars through over 40K miles between them now on many long distance trips, through many potholes, I have made high speeds maneuvers, some emergency ones, I know both of these cars like the BACK OF MY HAND! You have nothing here, period. Everything you said about the E "being better" is false, and I proved that, statistically AND with far more experience with you.
If I told you how a 6 Series compares to a CLK430 because I've technically driven both, and was off the mark, you'd actually for once have reason to laugh me off as I have far less experience with those two cars as you do. Reverse that now into how I perceive your "contributions" into a subject of two cars I know extremely well, and you frankly don't.
AGAIN, WHAT DID YOU PROVE ME WRONG ON?
I have driven the cars, more than once or twice and certainly more than 40 mph.
LETS SEE IF YOU CAN GET THIS AGAIN. NOTHING I'VE SAID HERE REQUIRES ME TO OWN THE CARS IN QUESTION. I SAID HIGH SPEED STABILITY, YOU DON'T NEED TO OWN THE CAR TO SEE WHAT THAT IS LIKE. CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT?
YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. LAST YEAR YOU WERE SO IGNORANT YOU STARTED A THREAD TO PROVE THAT E-CLASS WAS SUPERIOR TO THE 5-SERIES ONLY TO TURN AROUND AN BUY A 5-SERIES TO SAY IT IS NOW SUPERIOR.
THAT IS AS CLUELESS A PERSON AS POSSIBLE.
IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT A 650i vs a CLK430. SOME THINGS YOU DON'T NEED TO OWN A CAR TO GAUGE. MAGAZINES DO IT ALL THE TIME. THEY DON'T OWN THE CARS EITHER.
AGAIN, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IN A FEW YEARS YOU WILL DISCOVER ANOTHER BRAND AND THEN YOU WILL BE TRASHING BMW.
I SAID THE E-CLASS WAS BETTER AT HIGH SPEED STABILITY AND FELT MORE SOLID, I DON'T NEED OWN IT TO KNOW THAT IF I'VE DRIVEN BOTH CARS AND HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THEM.
YOU'RE INCAPABLE OF THINKING.
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Unfortunately it is all too real. One douche even got so bold as to call my luxury model "boring" compared to his sport 4matic even in the light of this:
E Classy's luxury e250 RWD 0-60 in 7.9sec
Douchebag's sport e250 4matic 0-60 in 8.2sec
It's a real clown show. You can take this over to Bimmerfest for a chuckle.
E Classy's luxury e250 RWD 0-60 in 7.9sec
Douchebag's sport e250 4matic 0-60 in 8.2sec
It's a real clown show. You can take this over to Bimmerfest for a chuckle.
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Come to Pasadena, CA, the place is call strictly German and I will show you how crappy your 5 series is, I will put it against a 90s Benz, not even a 2013, show you what the word QUALITY means, what it means to be the benchmark in this industry, not saying BMW will never be there, but, will have a hell of a hard time to dethrone MB, I can see Audi there in a few years, if they can come up with a different design, and not have all they models look too similar to each other or if MB let its guard down, but, bmw has no chance in this market of superstars, hence, why they main target is the young and egotistical.
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Well look at that, this thread may have served a good purpose after all.... two members, with Benzes at that, possibly being able to clear a conflict. Can't blame E Classy as MDMercedesGuy has showcased here to tend have an antagonizing style towards others, clearly not just myself.
Can't blame E Classy as MDMercedesGuy has showcased here to tend have an antagonizing style towards others, clearly not just myself.
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I've seen these types before. They are so damaged that they need to get off on conflict with others. I won't give those type of people the satisfaction or my attention. If everyone just ignored all his comments it would really be the best thing and he would probably go away. He is not looking for a productive interaction. He is only looking for conflict.
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I've seen these types before. They are so damaged that they need to get off on conflict with others. I won't give those type of people the satisfaction or my attention. If everyone just ignored all his comments it would really be the best thing and he would probably go away. He is not looking for a productive interaction. He is only looking for conflict.
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What makes is to stupid is that even if the new W222 was based on an updated W221 no one here would know either way looking at the car. It is the most time wasting subject to start a thread on in the first place. So what if it was, or it isn't, what is the difference, how does anyone here know either way? And if it is, what is the problem? Just a bunch of dumb ****e about nothing.
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Well look at that, this thread may have served a good purpose after all.... two members, with Benzes at that, possibly being able to clear a conflict. Can't blame E Classy as MDMercedesGuy has showcased here to tend have an antagonizing style towards others, clearly not just myself.
Can't blame E Classy as MDMercedesGuy has showcased here to tend have an antagonizing style towards others, clearly not just myself.
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And yes the W222 using the same chassis as the W221 is a big deal, worth a topic and worth noting. Though it's clear some MB loyalists will let their lover brand get away with anything (like comprising the E Class of almost half cheap Chinese parts, carrying over almost decade old chassis', making cars in Mexico, etc.). Yeah "none if this matters", all that matters is the good stuff that comes from MB marketing.
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It's okay. I was here before you joined this forum, and I'll be here long after you have gotten yourself banned. It's only a matter of time.
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More denial I see. You clearly offended him at the time and chose to save face by PM'ing to break your streak of insulting members since your count is growing. Insults to other members is in fact grounds for banning more then anything, so you should maybe be more respectful.
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How does anyone here know that the W222 is using the W221 chassis? What is the problem with that? Prove it. Prove that there is a problem with this common practice in the car world. What is the handicap of this? No facts = Idiotic topic.
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I'm not a fan of a car costing this much having the cost saving measures of an identical chassis if that's the case. At the very least it affects styling via wheelbase to length proportions. As cars get newer they're expected to get longer wheelbases or shorter overhangs which gives for sexier profiles and proportions. The W222 has identical proportions to the W221, same exact wheelbase, length therefore overhangs. I would have liked to see evolution and improvements there, personally.
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This was fun to read 
Not knowing either K-A and Germancar1, not having knowledge of their prior posts and not being either a MB or Bmw fanboy, i think i can make a objective deduction of this back and forth.
Results are in
K-A, sorry to say, but not addressing Germancar1's points and conveniently overseeing some of them, i would say you have lost this argument battle.
Again, not a fanboy of any cars or members. Just an objective opinion.
Now, carry on
Not knowing either K-A and Germancar1, not having knowledge of their prior posts and not being either a MB or Bmw fanboy, i think i can make a objective deduction of this back and forth.
Results are in
K-A, sorry to say, but not addressing Germancar1's points and conveniently overseeing some of them, i would say you have lost this argument battle.
Again, not a fanboy of any cars or members. Just an objective opinion.
Now, carry on
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This was fun to read
Not knowing either K-A and Germancar1, not having knowledge of their prior posts and not being either a MB or Bmw fanboy, i think i can make a objective deduction of this back and forth.
Results are in
K-A, sorry to say, but not addressing Germancar1's points and conveniently overseeing some of them, i would say you have lost this argument battle.
Again, not a fanboy of any cars or members. Just an objective opinion.
Now, carry on
Not knowing either K-A and Germancar1, not having knowledge of their prior posts and not being either a MB or Bmw fanboy, i think i can make a objective deduction of this back and forth.
Results are in
K-A, sorry to say, but not addressing Germancar1's points and conveniently overseeing some of them, i would say you have lost this argument battle.
Again, not a fanboy of any cars or members. Just an objective opinion.
Now, carry on
Every MB fan will persuade themselves to see it their own way, or the fabricated way MBCarFan sees it because hearing me breakdown how the 5 Series crushes the E Class in every respect just hurts too much.
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Not a fanboy, sure, lol. You had your mind made up before you read over how I proved him wrong on everything he "thought" between these cars with facts and firsthand experience.
Every MB fan will persuade themselves to see it their own way, or the fabricated way MBCarFan sees it because hearing me breakdown how the 5 Series crushes the E Class in every respect just hurts too much.
Every MB fan will persuade themselves to see it their own way, or the fabricated way MBCarFan sees it because hearing me breakdown how the 5 Series crushes the E Class in every respect just hurts too much.
As stated on my post above yours, my observation is completely objective. I actually dont like either the E or 5 series (my current ride is temporary).
My opinion is not the absolute truth, but probably as objective of one as you will get on this board
