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My last comment on here because this is getting silly. You are not the only lawyer on here, so don't make assumptions. I am a member of the Bar Association.
1) The poster in question is entitled to his own opinion that he feels the S class is quieter than the A8.
2) Objective data has proven otherwise.
3) Subjective data by every single car reviewer that I have read (which is 30+) who have compared the two cars disagree with the poster's opinion (neither here nor there).
This isn't that difficult. I said that he's entitled to his own opinion and that I am not saying his opinion is wrong, but simply stating that the objective data disagrees with his opinion as does the vast majority of the subjective data.
This isn't a zero sum game.
When did this become a BMW forum?
You still make me chuckle! Ok so you write like a lawyer with weak arguments. BMW forum—what the hell does BMW have to do with anything here? Stay focused my friend.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by MacMP
Ya’ll are a hoot. This is nearly 100% conjecture. Facts are sparse. Opinions are abundant.
Actually, there are quite a few facts mentioned in this thread. We may not all agree with each other, but most of the folks who participate here, know quite a bit about the cars being discussed and learn more each day.
I had a last gen E350, a CLS550, now an S550. I think you will notice quite a difference between the E class and S class. The S class is feels quite larger and more solid, less nimble.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and I will certainly never tell anyone their opinion is wrong. That said, it's a known fact, as tested not only by myself but with Car and Driver and numerous other car reviewers (this information is all public and even on this very thread), the S class is louder than the Audi.
That said in certain markets the Audi's dual pane windows are an option (in the US) so you may perhaps are not comparing apples to apples. It also sounds like to me that you're comparing the older Audi with the S class, and if so, then yes, you're right, the W222 is quieter than the D4, and by quite a bit. As I often say, you're entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts, and if you want me to dig up this information and all of the reviews that disagree with you, I'm happy to do so. Some are subjective data, and with Car and Driver, it's objective data.
It would be very fascinating for all of you screen haters on here what your thoughts are going to be with the W223
I'll give you the interior storage space deficit in the new Audi. It's woeful. The seat controls took some getting used to, but I, do, for one, love the new haptic feedback (once you turn off the setting - it's hard to explain) and UI.
It seems to me, that on this thread there are a lot of more 'traditionally minded' people here - and that's neither here nor there and I am NOT in any way judging. I think the W223 will make the D5/A8 look old, and that's saying something so am most curious how all of you react to it!
There you go again, calling me a "screen hater", when my last post specifically stated that was not the case, and why. I think you're not actually reading what I write. You're just making it up in your head and having a conversation with yourself. It's basically trolling at this point.
There you go again, calling me a "screen hater", when my last post specifically stated that was not the case, and why. I think you're not actually reading what I write. You're just making it up in your head and having a conversation with yourself. It's basically trolling at this point.
It would be very fascinating for all of you screen haters on here what your thoughts are going to be with the W223
I'll give you the interior storage space deficit in the new Audi. It's woeful. The seat controls took some getting used to, but I, do, for one, love the new haptic feedback (once you turn off the setting - it's hard to explain) and UI.
It seems to me, that on this thread there are a lot of more 'traditionally minded' people here - and that's neither here nor there and I am NOT in any way judging. I think the W223 will make the D5/A8 look old, and that's saying something so am most curious how all of you react to it!
I've made my position regarding the 223 very clear already.
The total replacement of physical switches and Tesla TV in the middle have already disqualified that car for me.
It will be the first generation of S-Class in 30 years that I would not spend my $$$ on as I have ZERO interest in it.
I've made my position regarding the 223 very clear already.
The total replacement of physical switches and Tesla TV in the middle have already disqualified that car for me.
It will be the first generation of S-Class in 30 years that I would not spend my $$$ on as I have ZERO interest in it.
^^ Quite right. I get they want to be relevant with modernity - but so does Bentley and Rolls Royce - and yet they've done it beautifully.
Perhaps the spy photos are not entirely accurate (we can hope?) but i've seen so many of them that i tend to think they are what they are.
I briefly read some of the posts - with regards to ride quality. We had a 2014 A8L - ride was a magic carpet. We've had a 2001 BMW 7 series protection - a 2014 BMW 750 individual - a W140, W220, W221, & W222, and now a 2020 M760i V12.
They all ride differently. With regards to "figity" - it was quite bumpy with RFs (2014 W222). I had them switched out for non RF and the problem was resolved. The BMW M760i came with RFs and I didn't feel the bumps but I still switched them out and the ride became much more smooth (even in sport mode).
Every car in this category does different things for the driver. Everyone has their criteria of what they want in a car, from style, fit and finish down to budget. In this class - none of the aforementioned cars are slacking in the comfort department. The back and forth arguments and intensity is so unnecessary. Accusing of who rode this car - or who test drove that car - just seems not needed.
Dare I say I think my M760i rides better (even when it had RF Tires) than my W222 which I drove for four years on non runflat tires. That's how I feel. It filtered the bumps which plague our streets everywhere we drive. My W222 had MBC and the m760 has the predictive suspension as well with Cameras - so comparing as best I can ... apples to apples. The obvious difference is powertrain - one was V8 and now I have the V12.
The Audi was a V8 - and I remember never feeling bumps in that car either, but perhaps less exciting of a ride, if that makes sense - and I don't mean that in a negative way. I think that A8L was meant to be on the relaxing in an un-involved way.
I test drove a Rolls Royce Ghost - and it was the most serene and inviting experience. You truly felt cut off from the world when driving it - from the sound deadening to the suspension that literally felt like you were gliding over clouds and Waldorf Astoria pillows.
I get this sensation to some degree with the M760i as they put in more sound deadening a la Rolls Royce. The interior I went with is the Individual Tartufo leather - which is straight out of a Rolls Royce, as is the wood. There is leather everywhere - which only adds to the vault like feeling.
I never got that from my S550 W222. The vault like feeling was never there. Also, when I shut the doors in the Merc - it was nice but not like it used to be. We all can remember shutting the doors in our older generation Mercedes and they all sounded like G Wagons. The M760 still has that clunk but not like the E38 (and I don't think that it has anything to do with it being protection edition).
They are all nice cars - we all want different things from our cars - and I think we owe it to each other not to go nuclear on one another when someone doesn't entirely (or at all) agree with an opinion.
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[QUOTE=Chucky3000;7982169]...........I get this sensation to some degree with the M760i as they put in more sound deadening a la Rolls Royce. The interior I went with is the Individual Tartufo leather - which is straight out of a Rolls Royce, as is the wood. There is leather everywhere - which only adds to the vault like feeling.QUOTE]
Please post some daytime photos of the interior. It looks like a lovely car.
...........I get this sensation to some degree with the M760i as they put in more sound deadening a la Rolls Royce. The interior I went with is the Individual Tartufo leather - which is straight out of a Rolls Royce, as is the wood. There is leather everywhere - which only adds to the vault like feeling.QUOTE]
Please post some daytime photos of the interior. It looks like a lovely car.
Thanks buddy! I love it. Here you go! Forgive the bottle of Pellegrino and Tissues in the door jam (or how the headrest pillows bottom is tucked awkwardly into the seat).
I just can't get past the "I took all my money I made dancing, and got a new set of DD implants" sized front grill on the new Beemer, just looks tacky.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Thanks buddy! I love it. Here you go! Forgive the bottle of Pellegrino and Tissues in the door jam (or how the headrest pillows bottom is tucked awkwardly into the seat).
Thanks! I specifically held out on any other deals until I could get this exact interior - SO worth the wait and "stress" (Not real stress but you know)
While I think the S-Class is a step up with their interior options over the 7 Series, many of the BMW Individual interiors are unmatched. I wish Mercedes would do things beyond the additional color choices of the Designo Manufaktur. BMW's ownership of Rolls Royce gives them the extra experience and it shows...
On the exterior I continue to favor the smooth elegant lines of the S-Class exterior over the edgy 7 but your particular color combo is just spot on. Perfect color for shadow line!
I won't say too much about the grill as it is the same size roughly as the new W223 grill will be. Just don't care for the louvers as the grill looks too solid with them closed.
While I think the S-Class is a step up with their interior options over the 7 Series, many of the BMW Individual interiors are unmatched. I wish Mercedes would do things beyond the additional color choices of the Designo Manufaktur. BMW's ownership of Rolls Royce gives them the extra experience and it shows...
On the exterior I continue to favor the smooth elegant lines of the S-Class exterior over the edgy 7 but your particular color combo is just spot on. Perfect color for shadow line!
I won't say too much about the grill as it is the same size roughly as the new W223 grill will be. Just don't care for the louvers as the grill looks too solid with them closed.
Congrats and many happy miles!
Thank you!!
Agree on the Individual. My father had the 2014 750 individual and it was a tremendous upgrade from standard 750s. Totally night and day. The Designo options for the S Class (with the quilted and studded seating) just doesn't look special or any more lux than the exclusive leather they offer for a less expensive price. I was also considering a Maybach S560 but it just didn't feel as special to me as an individual and most def not a 760.
Agree on the Individual. My father had the 2014 750 individual and it was a tremendous upgrade from standard 750s. Totally night and day. The Designo options for the S Class (with the quilted and studded seating) just doesn't look special or any more lux than the exclusive leather they offer for a less expensive price. I was also considering a Maybach S560 but it just didn't feel as special to me as an individual and most def not a 760.
We have the Ivory/Tartufo individual interior in our M8 and are really happy with the look, fit/finish.
The Designo S-Class leather is semi-aniline so it should be a bit finer than the exclusive Nappa but I wouldn't mind seeing some different patterns. A friend and fellow Mercedes owner manufactures leather for private aircraft interiors and they have countless patterns and color combos. Really steps up the seating...
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by Wolfman
........I wish Mercedes would do things beyond the additional color choices of the Designo Manufaktur. !
Of course, I certainly agree. If you want a step up from the Exclusive Nappa interior, your ONLY choices are three Designo interiors, all of which are basically the same, very light beige, with different accent colors. I still say they should offer a Maybach, based on the mid length wheelbase that all U.S. model S Class sedans are based on and really expand their color & customization offerings. Such a car would be something I would be very interested in.
The Audi was a V8 - and I remember never feeling bumps in that car either, but perhaps less exciting of a ride, if that makes sense - and I don't mean that in a negative way. I think that A8L was meant to be on the relaxing in an un-involved way.
Agreed. The Audi is the most boring car here, and is the most serene, but also the least sporty. It's more like an old school Cadillac boat, more than anything. If one is looking for an 'exciting' car or even a moderately 'exciting' flagship, the Audi is NOT the car for anyone. Audi went way far off the deep end with the older model D4 (sporty) to the D5 (the least sporty thing in the world).
It has been said by reviewers, and I agree wholly, that configured to a sporty setting the W222 comes alive and wants to play. The 2019/2020 A8, even on a sporty setting, is similar to the W222 in comfort. It doesn't try and hide the 2.5 tons of metal, at all, especially in the corners. You know when dogs are running and then try to change directions (on hardwood?) Yeah, it's funny to watch, and also hilariously funny when driving an A8 in this case
For me though, it's precisely what I want. A bank vault on wheels, but it's not for everyone.
From a car taste perspective, I suspect I'm older than most of you (think age 70s+ preferences!) (yes, laugh away...it's ok, I have thick skin)
Last edited by superangrypenguin; 02-16-2020 at 03:55 PM.
^^ Quite right. I get they want to be relevant with modernity - but so does Bentley and Rolls Royce - and yet they've done it beautifully.
Perhaps the spy photos are not entirely accurate (we can hope?) but i've seen so many of them that i tend to think they are what they are.
I briefly read some of the posts - with regards to ride quality. We had a 2014 A8L - ride was a magic carpet. We've had a 2001 BMW 7 series protection - a 2014 BMW 750 individual - a W140, W220, W221, & W222, and now a 2020 M760i V12.
They all ride differently. With regards to "figity" - it was quite bumpy with RFs (2014 W222). I had them switched out for non RF and the problem was resolved. The BMW M760i came with RFs and I didn't feel the bumps but I still switched them out and the ride became much more smooth (even in sport mode).
Every car in this category does different things for the driver. Everyone has their criteria of what they want in a car, from style, fit and finish down to budget. In this class - none of the aforementioned cars are slacking in the comfort department. The back and forth arguments and intensity is so unnecessary. Accusing of who rode this car - or who test drove that car - just seems not needed.
Dare I say I think my M760i rides better (even when it had RF Tires) than my W222 which I drove for four years on non runflat tires. That's how I feel. It filtered the bumps which plague our streets everywhere we drive. My W222 had MBC and the m760 has the predictive suspension as well with Cameras - so comparing as best I can ... apples to apples. The obvious difference is powertrain - one was V8 and now I have the V12.
The Audi was a V8 - and I remember never feeling bumps in that car either, but perhaps less exciting of a ride, if that makes sense - and I don't mean that in a negative way. I think that A8L was meant to be on the relaxing in an un-involved way.
I test drove a Rolls Royce Ghost - and it was the most serene and inviting experience. You truly felt cut off from the world when driving it - from the sound deadening to the suspension that literally felt like you were gliding over clouds and Waldorf Astoria pillows.
I get this sensation to some degree with the M760i as they put in more sound deadening a la Rolls Royce. The interior I went with is the Individual Tartufo leather - which is straight out of a Rolls Royce, as is the wood. There is leather everywhere - which only adds to the vault like feeling.
I never got that from my S550 W222. The vault like feeling was never there. Also, when I shut the doors in the Merc - it was nice but not like it used to be. We all can remember shutting the doors in our older generation Mercedes and they all sounded like G Wagons. The M760 still has that clunk but not like the E38 (and I don't think that it has anything to do with it being protection edition).
They are all nice cars - we all want different things from our cars - and I think we owe it to each other not to go nuclear on one another when someone doesn't entirely (or at all) agree with an opinion.
So, I guess you are happy trading out your RFs. I was thinking of doing so when I got my 760 but then I had 2 flats in the first 70 days and now I can’t seem to give up the RFs for fear of getting a flat on a road trip?!? How much better is the drive? What non-RF tires did you get?
Of course, I certainly agree. If you want a step up from the Exclusive Nappa interior, your ONLY choices are three Designo interiors, all of which are basically the same, very light beige, with different accent colors. I still say they should offer a Maybach, based on the mid length wheelbase that all U.S. model S Class sedans are based on and really expand their color & customization offerings. Such a car would be something I would be very interested in.
It's true re. the standard Designo interior but the Designo Manufaktur allows you to change colors just fine, including the dashboard colors and full leather headliners on any S. Still limiting in terms of other, more exotic options. Sounds odd but Mercedes used to offer granite in lieu of wood trim and I thought that was pretty unique
[QUOTE=Chucky3000;7982169]^^ Quite right. I get they want to be relevant with modernity - but so does Bentley and Rolls Royce - and yet they've done it beautifully.
Perhaps the spy photos are not entirely accurate (we can hope?) but i've seen so many of them that i tend to think they are what they are.
I briefly read some of the posts - with regards to ride quality. We had a 2014 A8L - ride was a magic carpet. We've had a 2001 BMW 7 series protection - a 2014 BMW 750 individual - a W140, W220, W221, & W222, and now a 2020 M760i V12.
They all ride differently. With regards to "figity" - it was quite bumpy with RFs (2014 W222). I had them switched out for non RF and the problem was resolved. The BMW M760i came with RFs and I didn't feel the bumps but I still switched them out and the ride became much more smooth (even in sport mode).
Every car in this category does different things for the driver. Everyone has their criteria of what they want in a car, from style, fit and finish down to budget. In this class - none of the aforementioned cars are slacking in the comfort department. The back and forth arguments and intensity is so unnecessary. Accusing of who rode this car - or who test drove that car - just seems not needed.
Dare I say I think my M760i rides better (even when it had RF Tires) than my W222 which I drove for four years on non runflat tires. That's how I feel. It filtered the bumps which plague our streets everywhere we drive. My W222 had MBC and the m760 has the predictive suspension as well with Cameras - so comparing as best I can ... apples to apples. The obvious difference is powertrain - one was V8 and now I have the V12.
The Audi was a V8 - and I remember never feeling bumps in that car either, but perhaps less exciting of a ride, if that makes sense - and I don't mean that in a negative way. I think that A8L was meant to be on the relaxing in an un-involved way.
I test drove a Rolls Royce Ghost - and it was the most serene and inviting experience. You truly felt cut off from the world when driving it - from the sound deadening to the suspension that literally felt like you were gliding over clouds and Waldorf Astoria pillows.
I get this sensation to some degree with the M760i as they put in more sound deadening a la Rolls Royce. The interior I went with is the Individual Tartufo leather - which is straight out of a Rolls Royce, as is the wood. There is leather everywhere - which only adds to the vault like feeling.
I never got that from my S550 W222. The vault like feeling was never there. Also, when I shut the doors in the Merc - it was nice but not like it used to be. We all can remember shutting the doors in our older generation Mercedes and they all sounded like G Wagons. The M760 still has that clunk but not like the E38 (and I don't think that it has anything to do with it being protection edition).
They are all nice cars - we all want different things from our cars - and I think we owe it to each other not to go nuclear on one another when someone doesn't entirely (or at all) agree with an opinion./QUOTE]
Congrats!
Truly a beautiful car and for anyone looking for the best combo of luxury and performance it has no competition, you would have to go to S65 but with no AWD and $50k more, it really is not a sensible alternative.
I was very, very close to choosing the 760 for my new daily, agree it is more luxurious and comfortable then S63, went with the latter only because of my mental condition that requires heavy performance mods on all my cars and BMW did not have anything serious available.
I might add that this car is also a killer deal if anyone considers a lease, terms closer the E63 then S63.
02-14-2020, 09:54 AM
Ok so you write like a lawyer with weak arguments.
BMW forum—what the hell does BMW have to do with anything here? Stay focused my friend.
