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Hello all,
I have been on MB CPO website and all over the online sellers as well. I am looking for a black over black, Nappa, warmth and Comfort DAP 4matic. The really nice under 30K 2017s are about 62K, the 2018s about 72K. I tend to keep a car about five years and am wondering what to do, the 10K isn't a big deal, not small change either though. Is the 4.0 really better, more efficient, more power. I certainly prefer the look of the new exterior styling. Do you think it might be a good idea to wait for more of the 2018 off lease cars start to come back?? I would really appreciate everyones opinion. FWIW I am selling my Volvo S90 Inscription tomorrow, I dont need to replace it immediately but probably within a month, THANKS!
Portland Maine, I went to USM many moons ago. I've had both, just traded a 2017 for a 2018 about 6 weeks ago. The technology is better in the 2018 it has apple car play although I just found out the other day the late 2017's might have apple car play, didn't realize that. The Distronic cruise is a little better in the 2018. Main reason I did the trade was to get a fully loaded car with the 3D audio, night vision and MBC suspension. These fully loaded cars are hard to find used and one came along so I grabbed it. On the plus side of the 2017 I did find the drivers seat more comfortable and lower by about an inch over the 2018, not sure if that has to do with all the options in the 2018 and designo interior or what but it just seemed like the 2017 seat fit me better, about the most comfortable seat I've ever sat in, great for long drives. As far as performance and fuel economy you won't be able to tell much of a difference, the 2018 is rated at 14 more HP which is not that much of a difference. According to the literature being that the 2018 has cylinder deactivation they claim a ten percent better fuel economy rating over the 2017. I cant really tell much of a difference, they both get around 27 mpg on the highway. The internet hot spot and internet radio seem to work a lot more reliably in the 2018 and seems like faster speeds. It's 4G LTE and according to my speed test is generally around 12 mbps. When I'm on my Verizon cell phone service it's slightly more than double that, but 12 mbps is enough to stream HD music on Tidal and Amazon Prime HD and enough for Video.
Thanks for the reply! I have looked high and low for a car with 3D, I've only found two in the last four months of looking and they were either too much money or too many miles. I did find a 2017 last night, loaded car with 20,200 miles. Warmth and Comfort, Nappa, but no DAP. Non sport which I wanted. Colors I wanted CPO vehicle for 59,700. I think this might be the one. I had an Audi A8 2014 in years past, just saw a 2018 A8, 4.0, with 18K miles, executive rear seating, other good options for 47,900. I think the A8 is taking a beating because the 2019 is such radical departure and people seem too be really liking the new car. Thanks again
Sounds like a decent deal. I wonder if the 4.7 in the 2017 might hold up better long term. It’s running less turbo boost producing nearly the same hp as the 4.0 in the 2018 probably not working as hard as the 4.0 smaller motor. Plus those comfortable seats in the 2017. I extended my CPO warranty by 2 years for 4K. Mercedes of Santa Rosa CA Erin. Plus no sales tax.
2018 S560 4matic Sedan. Official member of the 18" RIM CREW.
I would steer clear of the A8. I had a 2015 (same generation as the 2018) and after 30K miles and a 36 month lease, it felt like far from a new car. The air suspension moaned over bumps and driveway aprons and the throttle response got weird. And it ate front brake rotors, and Audi will replace only the first set as a courtesy....
The tech in the '18 is definitely better, and while I've never owned an S550 with the M278 (4.7), I did test drive one before my S560 (M176). The engines have a different character, IMHO, and I think each will have their fans. The 4.7 seems to have a bit more "traditional" power band, with lots of guts at the low end of the tach...but it sort of peters out at the top. The 4.0 seems a bit weaker at the bottom of the RPM range, but pulls harder to redline and is more "exciting" to drive fast, IMHO. I bought the S560, so you can see which I preferred.
In terms of reliability, the M278 is very well proven, while the M176 is a newer engine. That said, my understanding on the M176 is "so far, so good." Only time will tell, so definitely extend the CPO warranty in any event. Also, there is an incessant headlight moisture issue that annoys a lot of S550 owners; search the board and see how you feel about that.
In terms of fuel efficiency, the M176 seems to be doing about the same as the 3.0 liter V6 that I had in my S450. Which is pretty amazing, considering what a rocket the S560 is.
Personally, I would always get the newest vehicle you can afford. The 2018 refresh has better tech, better infotainment, more modern options like the better hotspot, better implementation of the ambient lighting, new engine, engine is a little more refined and quieter, styling is tweaked and more modern.
Life is short, it may be shorter than we think... go for it, get the newest you can afford without stressing you out. I LOVE my 2018, mostly for the new steering wheel. It's SOOOOO NICE!!!!!
Life is short, it may be shorter than we think... go for it, get the newest you can afford without stressing you out. I LOVE my 2018, mostly for the new steering wheel. It's SOOOOO NICE!!!!!
I don't like the black trimmed cars but your carbon fiber looks good.
Different strokes, right? I am a black interior guy only... I would never buy a car without an all black interior, to me, it stays clean longer and doesn't look dirty like beige or white does.
Others would never get a black interior.
If my pen in my pocket leaks, if I spill coffee (though I don't drink anything but water in my cars), if I spill anything on black, you can't see the dirt stain, ever.
That's part of the reason I love it.
Sumfuncomet, how about this one?. Myself I really like that Ruby black color, it's kinda unique. The grey int looks pretty cool too. Maybe offer like 81K. They've had the car for a while. What the heck one life to live. If you're keeping the car for a long while you can average it out, only 5K miles on it and more warranty. Plus 2019 up has the really good ATT internet communications and the really good cell phone app where you can check the status of your car like making sure it's locked and windows up etc. This car would turn some heads. Loan money is cheap now too and won't always be this way. https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...e=supplemental
I want to thank everyone for their contributions! Well after about three months of thinking about it and driving al the different cars in question I finally bought a 2017 S550 4matic. Black over black, Nappa, Warmth and Comfort, 19" wheels, trunk spoiler. Car is absolutely pristine.....should be as it only has 20, 600 miles on it. As a former A8 owner which I bought after my 2013 E550 I was flirting with the idea of a 2018 A8L 4.0 with Executive package. I did drive two of them, they are familiar to me. Great cars but, in the end the Mercedes just does a few things better. Better ride quality, quieter interior, nicer leather, a more elegant presence. The Audi 4.0 Sport is definitely quicker, more of a drivers car, but, at my age I am more about comfort......
I'll weigh in on the interior comments. I have had a venetian beige interior in a BMW 535XI, too light, shows everything. My Volvo S90 I just sold had the amber and black interior, I loved the amber color but it is mixed with black door panels etc. In the way Mercedes does the nut brown interior, parts are brown, parts are black, it looks choppy to me. IMHO you can't go wrong with all black, its cohesive, unifying and actually in my eyes makes the interior of a big car seem a little smaller.
Well, in the end, I paid 59,700 for a CPO car. A touch high on price but with the low mileage it really is like new. Thanks again for the views, glad to be back in a Mercedes!!
Sumfuncomet, how about this one?. Myself I really like that Ruby black color, it's kinda unique. The grey int looks pretty cool too. Maybe offer like 81K. They've had the car for a while. What the heck one life to live. If you're keeping the car for a long while you can average it out, only 5K miles on it and more warranty. Plus 2019 up has the really good ATT internet communications and the really good cell phone app where you can check the status of your car like making sure it's locked and windows up etc. This car would turn some heads. Loan money is cheap now too and won't always be this way. https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...e=supplemental
That Ruby Black is stunning. I really like that color, I had a Lexus ES300 years ago (still have it but family drive it) in a similar color. My only issue with that is the effort it takes to keep it looking good.
That interior is actually black, its the lighting that makes it look grey. They do have a dark grey interior that has brown dash and door accents which I don't care for.
Originally Posted by Sumfuncomet
I want to thank everyone for their contributions! Well after about three months of thinking about it and driving al the different cars in question I finally bought a 2017 S550 4matic. Black over black, Nappa, Warmth and Comfort, 19" wheels, trunk spoiler. Car is absolutely pristine.....should be as it only has 20, 600 miles on it. As a former A8 owner which I bought after my 2013 E550 I was flirting with the idea of a 2018 A8L 4.0 with Executive package. I did drive two of them, they are familiar to me. Great cars but, in the end the Mercedes just does a few things better. Better ride quality, quieter interior, nicer leather, a more elegant presence. The Audi 4.0 Sport is definitely quicker, more of a drivers car, but, at my age I am more about comfort......
I'll weigh in on the interior comments. I have had a venetian beige interior in a BMW 535XI, too light, shows everything. My Volvo S90 I just sold had the amber and black interior, I loved the amber color but it is mixed with black door panels etc. In the way Mercedes does the nut brown interior, parts are brown, parts are black, it looks choppy to me. IMHO you can't go wrong with all black, its cohesive, unifying and actually in my eyes makes the interior of a big car seem a little smaller.
Well, in the end, I paid 59,700 for a CPO car. A touch high on price but with the low mileage it really is like new. Thanks again for the views, glad to be back in a Mercedes!!
Congrats, you made a good choice. The 4.7 almost feels more powerful because of the extra low end torque, it's a real torque monster. I liked the exhaust sound of my 2017 better also when I got on it, maybe it was those amg line mufflers with the release valves on the backside of the mufflers I dunno, but it sounded kinda nascarish when I got on it over 4K rpms. The 2018 I got sounds more dieselish, lol. Is the car you got one of the later 2017's with apple car play? More than likely not, I don't think there were to many of those with the newer command system, just at the tail end of production probably as a test for the 2018's. If not I use to find with "Apple Music" you can control command through your screen with it and it's still only $9.99 per month, I still have that streaming service with the AAC files it sounds nearly as good as Amazon HD and Tidal. There are also a lot of people doing those chinese kit apple car play add on's. I never felt comfortable enough to start tearing my center console and dash apart though to install that mod and I worried about how good it would actually work. Hopefully if you use the hot spot and internet you can get it set up ok and it will work ok. In my 2017 it only worked about half the time. I thought for sure it was a MB server issue but my 2018 proved that it was the car as my 2018 works perfect and it's going over the same German server. It uses the old Verizon system and the signals have to bounce between here and Germany, not the greatest setup. The ATT on the 2019 and up models is pretty flawless. A lot of people don't even use hot spot and internet radio anyhow though.
Different strokes, right? I am a black interior guy only... I would never buy a car without an all black interior, to me, it stays clean longer and doesn't look dirty like beige or white does.
Others would never get a black interior.
If my pen in my pocket leaks, if I spill coffee (though I don't drink anything but water in my cars), if I spill anything on black, you can't see the dirt stain, ever.
That's part of the reason I love it.
Just to clarify I was only referring to the wood trim color.
ALL RIGHT! Just got back from DC picking up the 2017 S550. 9 hour drive, all is well. I steered clear of downtown! I love the power and the seats, the controls will take a little getting used to. The run flat tires suck, the car is on staggered 19" split five spokes. I will be moving to an 18" wheel with non run flats and carrying a space saver spare. My chief complaint is the audio system, Mercedes should be ashamed of supplying that system in their S class. I am coming out of a Volvo S90 with the Bowers and Wilkins premium and a 2014 A8 with the base Bose system. BOTH other cars are clearly better sounding. What the Mercedes lacks is a decent bass and also power to the low end. The mid and upper ranges sound OK but the bass is woefully lacking in range and clarity that only power and a better woofer can provide. I looked at the Match brand replacement woofer but that still doesn't address power and they are only rated at 100W RMS. I am thinking of a sub in trunk, LOC and a decent mono block amp. This is all stuff I can do myself, otherwise the car is near perfect, 20,300 miles like new. It doesn't have DAP which is fine by me, I like to drive a car and not rely on assistance, it does have Warmth and Comfort which was a must for the power back seats and heated arm rests!
Congrats again!! Share some pics of the new rig! I would have to agree with you in regards to the sound system. I don't know how it is in the S, but in the CLS, the bass is not good at all. We also have a XC90 Inscription with the upgraded Bowers and Wilkins sound system, and it is much better. Much more clarity and bass is much better.
ALL RIGHT! Just got back from DC picking up the 2017 S550. 9 hour drive, all is well. I steered clear of downtown! I love the power and the seats, the controls will take a little getting used to. The run flat tires suck, the car is on staggered 19" split five spokes. I will be moving to an 18" wheel with non run flats and carrying a space saver spare. My chief complaint is the audio system, Mercedes should be ashamed of supplying that system in their S class. I am coming out of a Volvo S90 with the Bowers and Wilkins premium and a 2014 A8 with the base Bose system. BOTH other cars are clearly better sounding. What the Mercedes lacks is a decent bass and also power to the low end. The mid and upper ranges sound OK but the bass is woefully lacking in range and clarity that only power and a better woofer can provide. I looked at the Match brand replacement woofer but that still doesn't address power and they are only rated at 100W RMS. I am thinking of a sub in trunk, LOC and a decent mono block amp. This is all stuff I can do myself, otherwise the car is near perfect, 20,300 miles like new. It doesn't have DAP which is fine by me, I like to drive a car and not rely on assistance, it does have Warmth and Comfort which was a must for the power back seats and heated arm rests!
Congrats! Smart man staying away from downtown lol. I replaced my run flats with regular tires on the 19s and the ride is great, you don't need to go to 18s. I also have coming a quality spare inflator set vs a spare tire.
I hear you on the audio, I posted a thread about it. I came from a 2017 Lexus LS460L with Mark Levinson audio and compared to that the Burmester is really flat and lifeless. I have been in talks with a shop to do exactly what you're considering doing. I hope to take it down there and get a quote next week and get that done. Huge letdown on such a great car, it truly is my only disappointment. I knew it going in and I seriously almost got a BMW 750 with the Bowers & Wilkins audio instead for that very reason.
Congrats. The 2017 does seem to have a little more low end torque and I did like the exhaust sound of my 2017 over the 2018 I currently have. Suggestion at least for now on the sound system. Put the sound focus on the front setting, that will get you more bass as the bass speakers are up front under the dash. Also turn off the automatic volume leveling setting. I use to run the bass on the eq around 8 and the Treble around 5 and the Mid around the middle setting. Hope this helps out some. This was one reason I went to the 2018 I have as it has the optional 3d audio which is really good. Plus a lot of other options. About the only thing left to do on my 2018 is get rid of the Run Flats but gonna wait until I wear them out and still probably have another 15K more miles to go as they were new when I got the car a couple months ago.
Personally I think it still sounds better with the focus set to all. You get more bass with it set to front, but IMO it makes the music overall sound thinner.
With automatic volume control on the non 3D system hard to tell the difference like in my wagon. It’s just one more circuit the sound is going through and that does degrade SQ. With my 3D system I can definitely tell the difference. Same with even Apple car play I can tell the difference with my 3D system but not so much In my wagon.
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