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My 2020 S560 gets a new transmission and torque converter........

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Old 09-19-2021, 12:07 AM
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Ya mine gets a rough upshift for 1 to 2 when it's cold, other than that not too bad, not the smoothest trans I've ever felt but I can live with it.
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Well this is all very disheartening. I was in the market for a 2016-2017 S550, but now you guys have terrified me. I wonder if I should just stop my search for an S class or just risk it.
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Well this is all very disheartening. I was in the market for a 2016-2017 S550, but now you guys have terrified me. I wonder if I should just stop my search for an S class or just risk it.
That's rather radical. The vast majority of S class owners have not had any issues. I have had 2 W222s and have yet to have a rough downshift. Sometimes things just happen and that's with any car...
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Well this is all very disheartening. I was in the market for a 2016-2017 S550, but now you guys have terrified me. I wonder if I should just stop my search for an S class or just risk it.
Have you considered a ‘15 or ‘18? It’s funny to me that you feel that way; I was drawn to the w222 because of its outstanding reliability (for a luxury car, I’m not going to compare it to an Accord of course), and am happy to say it has not let me down yet!
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Caveat emptor on any used MB. Read the W222 section for posters with early model W222s. They don't seem to age well, similar to W221. If third party extended warranties are your thing, that is an option. If not, set aside some cash for the inevitable surprises.
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Caveat emptor on any used MB. Read the W222 section for posters with early model W222s. They don't seem to age well, similar to W221. If third party extended warranties are your thing, that is an option. If not, set aside some cash for the inevitable surprises.
This applies to all non Japanese manufactures, not just MB...
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Well this is all very disheartening. I was in the market for a 2016-2017 S550, but now you guys have terrified me. I wonder if I should just stop my search for an S class or just risk it.
The transmission performance in my 2015 S550 and 2018 S560 was flawless. It wasn’t until I got my 2020 that I experienced these problems.
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The transmission performance in my 2015 S550 and 2018 S560 was flawless. It wasn’t until I got my 2020 that I experienced these problems.
So this issue does exist in the 2016-2017 model year, correct? I understand that it’s not going to exist in EVERY 2016-2017 S550, but I just wonder what my chances are of getting a car with this issue……10% chance, 25%, 50%?

Is this an issue that would show up on an overnight test drive? Does it happen every time you drive the car or just one in ten times? Once a month?
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This applies to all non Japanese manufactures, not just MB...
VAG and the latest BMW platforms seem to age better than MB or American brands. MB's star is sinking, VAG's and BMW's stars seem to be rising.
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My 2016's 7G-Tronic has good days and bad days. I know this varies from car to car because my '14 C350 shifted perfectly at all times with it's 7G transmission. Still aggravating to have my wife look over at me and say "what was that, is there something wrong with the car"?

Still waiting for someone to post how many labor hours to do the manual adaptation solution described above. What would people be willing to spend if it truly fixed the problem for good?
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My transmission feels great. Not to diminish the folks who have some issues, I believe them (I HATE when people do that on forums) but I wouldn't let it stop you from getting an S Class.
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Maybe that explains my transfer case and differential failures.
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Originally Posted by johnlk25
Well this is all very disheartening. I was in the market for a 2016-2017 S550, but now you guys have terrified me. I wonder if I should just stop my search for an S class or just risk it.
Ya definitely don't let that discourage you from considering a W222 S-Class. No car is perfect after all but the W222 is too close to being perfect, you would enjoy one for sure.
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Originally Posted by Tom in Austin
My 2016's 7G-Tronic has good days and bad days. I know this varies from car to car because my '14 C350 shifted perfectly at all times with it's 7G transmission. Still aggravating to have my wife look over at me and say "what was that, is there something wrong with the car"?

Still waiting for someone to post how many labor hours to do the manual adaptation solution described above. What would people be willing to spend if it truly fixed the problem for good?
A couple of hours. XENTRY calls for two people (one driver, one assistant making changes on the laptop while driving) so I think it would be not less than 4 man hours or around $1,000 as a starting point. Whether it fixes things permanently is hard to answer. How many miles on your vehicle?
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VAG and the latest BMW platforms seem to age better than MB or American brands. MB's star is sinking, VAG's and BMW's stars seem to be rising.
Now that's funny. BMWs have been notoriously unreliable which is why their resale values are trash. And VAG?? Aside from Porsche and a lessor extent Audi they are the worst of the worst. The W222 has bucked the trend of previous S class gens to be a rock solid stable platform.
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I would not suggest anyone stay away from buying a 222 because of this issue but it is for real. I'm on my third S class now, had a 2015, then a 2017 and now a 2018 and all three had jumpy transmissions at times. The 5 to 4 rough downshift plagued the 2015 and 2017 I had but it was only at certain times, maybe like even once a week if that. The 2018 I have currently has not so smooth upshifts and a real noticeable rough 1 to 2 upshift when i first start driving it when it's cold. The cars in the shop for other warrantee work and I didn't even mention this though as it really is not that bad and I figured chances are they'd never fix it anyhow. The things the car is in for now are a non working rear TV screen, a blown tweeter on the drivers side and a squeak noise in the passenger front which sounds like it might be something related to the air spring. Over all though these cars have pretty reliable for me and not many complaints and are a great driving car that really pampers the owner.

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