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Sorry but imho, I would take the MB over the Audi and BMW any day of the week. The MB is very elegant and understated so it'll age better than the Audi and the BMW.
Given this logic the A8 wins. It's the most understated of the 3...and I suspect the interior, in particular, will age a lot better than the W223.
That said we're all entitled to our own opinions.
IMHO, the W222 outwins all of these 3, anyday of the week.
Not sure what that has to do with my opinion about the styling. There are definitely people out there who prefer the looks of the Audi and the BMW even to the W222. Those things are subjective, they can't be quantified and they can't be right or wrong.
People are considering more than styling when making their purchase so that's why I pointed out that the MB S class far outsells its rivals.
Sorry, you are wrong. As someone who has ordered cars for stock the overwhelming number of buyers are quite unimaginative in their color choices. With flooring costs being what they are and profit margins as thin as they are one cannot tie up hundreds of thousands of dollars in cars that the majority don't want.
I always ask about color preference with my clients and it almost always comes down to Black, White or Gray. For the few that really do go their own way ordering a car is the way to go.
What exactly am I wrong about? I didn't say to flood the showroom with them, I said to change it up some and put some out there.
2015 CLS 550 2015 ML 400 Previous 2020 GLB 250 2019 A 220 2005 ML 350 1989 300 E 2001 SL 500
Originally Posted by Germancar1
What exactly am I wrong about? I didn't say to flood the showroom with them, I said to change it up some and put some out there.
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You are wrong in that the cars outside the normal range of colors and options DON'T SELL!
We are all brand enthusiasts but we are also business people.
Average S 560 is @ $120,000. that's a lot of money to tie up for months at a time.
In the past when we've even had a Blue S Class it has sat for almost a year!
You are wrong in that the cars outside the normal range of colors and options DON'T SELL!
We are all brand enthusiasts but we are also business people.
Average S 560 is @ $120,000. that's a lot of money to tie up for months at a time.
In the past when we've even had a Blue S Class it has sat for almost a year!
Uh no, the whole conversation was about that they don't sell. We already know that they don't sell. I said IMO they would sell and I've seen it for myself here in the Dallas market and in no way can you speak for every Mercedes salesman in the U.S. either. You might try, but not all of them do. Not every single one of them is a brand enthusiast, that's just more salesman BS. A lot of them are so clueless they might as well be selling a Chevy. They're car salesmen first.
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2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by Germancar1
Uh no, the whole conversation was about that they don't sell. We already know that they don't sell. I said IMO they would sell and I've seen it for myself here in the Dallas market and in no way can you speak for every Mercedes salesman in the U.S. either. You might try, but not all of them do. Not every single one of them is a brand enthusiast, that's just more salesman BS. A lot of them are so clueless they might as well be selling a Chevy. They're car salesmen first.
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Don’t you just love it when YOU know so much more about the cars than the sales guy does? It’s just a paycheck to most of them and they can’t be bothered trying to learn the details about the cars they sell. It’s sad.
Don’t you just love it when YOU know so much more about the cars than the sales guy does? It’s just a paycheck to most of them and they can’t be bothered trying to learn the details about the cars they sell. It’s sad.
Is not wonderful when the customer knows everything? Like that arrogant guy from few ago that he would bet his mom that his GTC has remote start thru Mercedes Me App. No he doesn't but the internet told him so it should be true.
Or like: yes, I want to order that model in that color. But that model never had that color available. A lot of guys have the impression they know more than the sales people but the majority of times they don't.
Don't bring in discussion someone who sells Mercedes since two weeks ago.
Is not wonderful when the customer knows everything? Like that arrogant guy from few ago that he would bet his mom that his GTC has remote start thru Mercedes Me App. No he doesn't but the internet told him so it should be true.
Or like: yes, I want to order that model in that color. But that model never had that color available. A lot of guys have the impression they know more than the sales people but the majority of times they don't.
Don't bring in discussion someone who sells Mercedes since two weeks ago.
It goes both ways, but when a customer is wrong and a salesperson knows their stuff that is the end of it and that is the way it should be, but it often isn't. That is a problem. Every single salesperson should know the car they are selling like the back of their hand, many don't have a clue. Doesn't matter if it's the majority, minority etc. That's irrelevant.
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2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by Wassaby
Is not wonderful when the customer knows everything? Like that arrogant guy from few ago that he would bet his mom that his GTC has remote start thru Mercedes Me App. No he doesn't but the internet told him so it should be true.
Or like: yes, I want to order that model in that color. But that model never had that color available. A lot of guys have the impression they know more than the sales people but the majority of times they don't.
Don't bring in discussion someone who sells Mercedes since two weeks ago.
2015 CLS 550 2015 ML 400 Previous 2020 GLB 250 2019 A 220 2005 ML 350 1989 300 E 2001 SL 500
Originally Posted by Germancar1
Uh no, the whole conversation was about that they don't sell. We already know that they don't sell. I said IMO they would sell and I've seen it for myself here in the Dallas market and in no way can you speak for every Mercedes salesman in the U.S. either. You might try, but not all of them do. Not every single one of them is a brand enthusiast, that's just more salesman BS. A lot of them are so clueless they might as well be selling a Chevy. They're car salesmen first.
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I've been in this business for 30 years, how bout you?
It's funny when someone whos not in the business thinks they know more than the people who are.
Take a look around Dallas and tell me how many Black, White and Gray S Classes you see versus Blue or Red.
If you want to continue with your clueless argument when don't you drop $30 million on a dealership and sell what you want.
I've been in this business for 30 years, how bout you?
It's funny when someone whos not in the business thinks they know more than the people who are.
Take a look around Dallas and tell me how many Black, White and Gray S Classes you see versus Blue or Red.
If you want to continue with your clueless argument when don't you drop $30 million on a dealership and sell what you want.
I don't think you read what I said carefully in the first place I didn't say that they sell. I said that I have seen some of them sell. Secondly I wouldn't care how long you've been in the business, every single Mercedes salesman is not some car enthusiast bursting with knowledge. That has been my experience. A lot of them don't know squat. You can't tell me what I've experienced or seen either, don't care if you're been at it 100 years.
I agree that the last generation SL—the R231 that ran from 2013 to 2020–was not given the attention it deserved throughout its model run, but would argue that it was and still is an exceptionally fine car, that filled a niche unserved by any other brand. The only “downgrade” from the previous R230 SL’s was that ABC was made optional, rather than standard. Those of us who own these cars have really only one gripe and that is the poor audio systems, which can be upgraded. Other than that, when properly optioned, the R231 SL’s, with their wonderful, retractable hardtops, offer truly amazing comfort, performance and luxury, not seen much of anywhere else in the automotive world, especially at their price point. I believe that the Command System/Infotainment Screen was similar to that of the E & ML, but that’s where the comparison ends and when optioned with one of the Exclusive Nappa Interiors, like mine, we are talking near Bentley opulence, for a fraction of the price. There are still some new 2020’s out there, so anyone looking for a great top down experience, now’s the time! No more retractable hardtop when the new SL bows next year. Here are a few snaps of my 2019:
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Beautiful,this over the AMG GT any day of the week.
GT63S ePerformance 4dr, '25 Bentayga Black Ed.(wife), Wrangler and 250 MLB(kids)
Originally Posted by mercedesmax
I've been in this business for 30 years, how bout you?
It's funny when someone whos not in the business thinks they know more than the people who are.
Take a look around Dallas and tell me how many Black, White and Gray S Classes you see versus Blue or Red.
If you want to continue with your clueless argument when don't you drop $30 million on a dealership and sell what you want.
I've been in Mercedes sales for almost 10 years (in the 80s) and never met any customer with more MB knowledge then any of the guys I have worked with.
Sure, there were plenty of those who thought they knew more, some better, most much worse but in the end they still knew less then any sales guy I have worked with.
I'm going to go with the former here and state that where I shopped for MB's.....I knew more about the car I was getting then the seller-man. They may know the in's and out's of the dealership better......fair enough......but as someone else stated: "in my personal experience" is what I am also operating from in my decision making when it comes to critiquing the seller-mans knowledge of the car.
GT63S ePerformance 4dr, '25 Bentayga Black Ed.(wife), Wrangler and 250 MLB(kids)
Originally Posted by hyperion667
I'm going to go with the former here and state that where I shopped for MB's.....I knew more about the car I was getting then the seller-man. They may know the in's and out's of the dealership better......fair enough......but as someone else stated: "in my personal experience" is what I am also operating from in my decision making when it comes to critiquing the seller-mans knowledge of the car.
Who really knows what's right or wrong anyway?
I don't doubt your experience, there are plenty of salesmen with very mediocre knowledge of the product they sell but in the end factual knowledge is only one and it doesn't allow different interpretation
I've been in Mercedes sales for almost 10 years (in the 80s) and never met any customer with more MB knowledge then any of the guys I have worked with.
Sure, there were plenty of those who thought they knew more, some better, most much worse but in the end they still knew less then any sales guy I have worked with.
I agree. Where I shop, there are sales people loaded with knowledge, real brand enthusiasts.
Personally however, I probably know more than my SA, but he's been there forever and frankly doesn't care to anymore. He sets me up with the techs when I have questions or to demonstrate a car. I remain loyal after 25 years.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
I believe I know reasonably more than most dealer salespeople about the cars I am interested in—which is basically 3 or 4. I know very little about the other models and I feel for those folks who have SO MANY models, variants & options to learn about and then to keep updated with each new model year. It has to be damn near impossible.
I believe I know reasonably more than most dealer salespeople about the cars I am interested in—which is basically 3 or 4. I know very little about the other models and I feel for those folks who have SO MANY models, variants & options to learn about and then to keep updated with each new model year. It has to be damn near impossible.
I agree with that. I know for a fact service advisors have a hard time keeping up with all the different models and tech. Changes so quickly.
2021 S500 (Mojave Silver), MB S400 (wife), BMW 750Li (passed on to kids)
IMHO I think we need to distinguish between you average car shopper and car enthusiasts such as most in this forum. Personally, I don’t know much details of the complete MB line, but let me tell you, regarding the 2021 S class I’ve probably read/studied/dissected most of the technical information publicly available. Your average salesperson doesn’t have the time to dedicate that much energy. For example, how many MB car salespersons know the DMD (Digital Mirror Device) for the AR HUD is made by Texas Instruments (and has 1.3M mirrors)? Yeah, yeah, I know, they don’t need that type of info to sell a car.
My point is, an enthusiastic, well (car) educated car fanatic, will most of the time know more technical details than the salesperson.
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Reason: Clarity
Apparently the first offerings will be 4Matic only and some of the 'must have' options, like rear wheel steering will only be available on the S580. So I have no interest in the car until rearwheeldrive and rearwheelsteering become available on the S500 model. The S-class, as is, would benefit from a smaller turning diameter, and the new model will have a longer wheelbase, and is longer and wider than the current version. Then, I don't care for touchscreens or MBUX. The S-Class I liked best was my loaded 2015 S-550. The 2019 was a disappointment which I got rid of. MB is losing it. Also, for those od us who hardly ever have people in the back seat, a short body version would be welcome, especially now when the Coupe is going out of production.
Mercedes SLR McLaren 722 S Is Extremely Rare Example Modified by McLaren
Slideshow: A one-of-one U.S.-spec Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster became even rarer after a factory-backed transformation at McLaren's headquarters.
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