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2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
EQS news & rumors
The generic EV thread in the W222 sub-forum didn't seem to generate that much discussion (...I think I accounted for 90+% of the posts there). Maybe the time is right for a EQS-specific thread, now that we have a W223 sub-forum and what I believe might be the first decent spy shot of a prototype EQS interior...
Shocked that MB got the CD on the W223 down to .22 ... but I think increasing interior space and aerodynamic considerations will be more important on the EQS. It’s convergent evolution.. or design. Even if you get multiple different teams, they will end up with similar general shapes based on aerodynamics.
I actually like the EQS and plan to order it if the Production Model is 90% of what we have seen so far. I was interested in the Lucid Air but didn’t like the interior with the different colored seats and so much Alcantara where there should have been Leather. I’m hoping it gets produced for a Fall 2021 delivery. I’m also curious where it will be priced with decent Options. I’m thinking $115-130k. I don’t think the previously announced $96k price is realistic unless the car is totally different from what we have seen. Obviously if there is an AMG version it will be higher.
Not digging the exterior. Doesn't flow as well as the concept, and overall shares its shape with a FWD based econobox due to the cab forward design and short hood/tail.
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Either the EQS is an “S Class,” or it’s not. The EQS prototype I sat it was much more proportioned to an E Class, as far as I am concerned. I did not care for it. Why must an electric car look completely different? Why can’t they just build an all electric W223? Why must there be an additional line of vehicles? I don’t see myself in an EQS, ever.
Either the EQS is an “S Class,” or it’s not. The EQS prototype I sat it was much more proportioned to an E Class, as far as I am concerned. I did not care for it. Why must an electric car look completely different? Why can’t they just build an all electric W223? Why must there be an additional line of vehicles? I don’t see myself in an EQS, ever.
They don't have a choice. Electric vehicles require so many changes from an ICE that it would result in a severely compromised EV, like the half-assed EQC which is a modified GLC. A dedicated EV platform/architecture makes a much better vehicle. It's why Porsche didn't just electrify the Panamera. Taycan is much better vehicle because it's not based on an existing ICE vehicle. Eventually the EQS will replace the S and they'll likely drop the EQS name and just call it the S-Class....when the world is really ready for that.
2020 S560 Sedan, 2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, '24 BMW I7 on order...
Originally Posted by Germancar1
They don't have a choice. Electric vehicles require so many changes from an ICE that it would result in a severely compromised EV, like the half-assed EQC which is a modified GLC. A dedicated EV platform/architecture makes a much better vehicle. It's why Porsche didn't just electrify the Panamera. Taycan is much better vehicle because it's not based on an existing ICE vehicle. Eventually the EQS will replace the S and they'll likely drop the EQS name and just call it the S-Class....when the world is really ready for that.M
You make very good points. I guess my problem is with the design that has been floated out there, as in this photo. Just because they are designing an entirely new vehicle, shouldn’t mean that it has to look like something out of a sci-fi movie. I would have much preferred if they had designed it to look like a more traditional MB and if it is indeed supposed to be an S Class, of traditional S Class proportions. I really don’t want to be driving around in this “pod.” Of course, by then, the car may be driving itself.
You make very good points. I guess my problem is with the design that has been floated out there, as in this photo. Just because they are designing an entirely new vehicle, shouldn’t mean that it has to look like something out of a sci-fi movie. I would have much preferred if they had designed it to look like a more traditional MB and if it is indeed supposed to be an S Class, of traditional S Class proportions. I really don’t want to be driving around in this “pod.” Of course, by then, the car may be driving itself.
Ha! If that is what the car would look like I would certainly make some money/assets move around for one Yessir I would
You make very good points. I guess my problem is with the design that has been floated out there, as in this photo. Just because they are designing an entirely new vehicle, shouldn’t mean that it has to look like something out of a sci-fi movie. I would have much preferred if they had designed it to look like a more traditional MB and if it is indeed supposed to be an S Class, of traditional S Class proportions. I really don’t want to be driving around in this “pod.” Of course, by then, the car may be driving itself.
Oh I get that totally, I was just trying to explain why they had to make a separate vehicle. I wish they would actually do a modern take on a W140 or W126 for their electric S-Class. Something really different, but something that says Mercedes instantly not this funny shaped blob. I agree, I hate these EQE and EQS vehicles, but I think Mercedes sees what happened to Cadillac and Lexus so they're looking to the (extreme) future for EVs. The dramatic change to the S-Class proves that they don't want to be the old rich man's brand anymore. The new Rolls Ghost by comparison looks like a relic vs the new S-Class.
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Originally Posted by Germancar1
Oh I get that totally, I was just trying to explain why they had to make a separate vehicle. I wish they would actually do a modern take on a W140 or W126 for their electric S-Class. Something really different, but something that says Mercedes instantly not this funny shaped blob. I agree, I hate these EQE and EQS vehicles, but I think Mercedes sees what happened to Cadillac and Lexus so they're looking to the (extreme) future for EVs. The dramatic change to the S-Class proves that they don't want to be the old rich man's brand anymore. The new Rolls Ghost by comparison looks like a relic vs the new S-Class.
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Wouldn’t THAT be a hoot! A completely retro looking, ultra state-of-the-art, electric car! I would just LOVE that! I can hear the bank-vault THUNK of the doors closing as I write this! Marvelous idea! I’m absolutely serious, that I would put down my deposit the day such a car was announced!
Last edited by Streamliner; 09-16-2020 at 11:57 PM.
2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
I think there are good reasons, besides the obvious need for aerodynamic efficiency in an EV, for MB to make its future EVs look significantly different from their ICE counterparts.
One reason would be that for the segment of buyers that likes traditional styling, the ICE vehicles like the W223 are still available to buy. Offering something "different" from that as an additional product offering (as long as it is not ugly, which is TBD) expands the market more than offering a W223 clone.
Another is that imo a significant portion of EV buyers want to be "seen" as driving "green" and a W223 clone wouldn't serve that goal.
Wouldn’t THAT be a hoot! A completely retro looking, ultra state-of-the-art, electric car! I would just LOVE that! I can hear the bank-vault THUNK of the doors closing as I write this! Marvelous idea! I’m absolutely serious, that I would put down my deposit the day such a car was announced!
I'm sure you could buy an old chassis and convert it to an EV......I've always dreamed of an OLD Merc body with a NEW drive train and electronics. I mean from the 50's
2015 S550 Palladium/Deep Sea Blue, 2016 Tesla Model S 70D, 2015 Volvo XC70
Originally Posted by hyperion667
I'm sure you could buy an old chassis and convert it to an EV......I've always dreamed of an OLD Merc body with a NEW drive train and electronics. I mean from the 50's
You're probably aware already, but people have done conversions to EV, though I don't know of any of a 50's MB. Just googling "EV conversion", a couple companies have introduced EV "crate motors" that can substitute for an ICE, while another company offers model-specific conversion kits:
Personally, I'd rather buy new, but evidently there is a niche market for this sort of thing.
That 126 is gorgeous. I love that blue, large S-Class sedans look great in a darker blue (Lunar going away...) IMO the 126, and to a slightly lesser extent the 140 had real presence on the road. That EQS concept looks really nice to me as well, in an entirely different way. Like Hype if it looked 90% like that I'd buy it. I just wouldn't call it anything ending in "S."
Generally early adopters of EVs are the kind of people who want something futuristic looking. If they made the EQS look retro the W126, it would become unappealing to the primary target audience.
EV's require low CW values for better range. For that reason EV's will look different than ICE cars. Even the wheel design impacts range. Model 3 Aero wheels for example add over 3% range. The lack of engine and transmissions also allows for larger wheelbases with smaller overhangs.
I for one love the EQS Vision and would get that car in a heartbeat.
Then there is the DOT with their outdated rules prohibiting most modern lighting tech and the elimination of these old-school mirrors
EV's require low CW values for better range. For that reason EV's will look different than ICE cars. Even the wheel design impacts range. Model 3 Aero wheels for example add over 3% range. The lack of engine and transmissions also allows for larger wheelbases with smaller overhangs.
I for one love the EQS Vision and would get that car in a heartbeat.
Then there is the DOT with their outdated rules prohibiting most modern lighting tech and the elimination of these old-school mirrors
Yeah DOT needs to buck up! What are they waiting for?
That EQS is a real beaut. Hoping it will be RF quieted enough so i can run mobile HF, let alone enough 12V accessory power to run my 100 watt Motorola APX8500 mobile radio. We'll see.
Either the EQS is an “S Class,” or it’s not. The EQS prototype I sat it was much more proportioned to an E Class, as far as I am concerned. I did not care for it. Why must an electric car look completely different? Why can’t they just build an all electric W223? Why must there be an additional line of vehicles? I don’t see myself in an EQS, ever.
When you say proportioned to an E Class. Did you mean that it was E Class sized? The numbers floating around for it's length are 208.4 in which makes it an S Class size car.
When you say proportioned to an E Class. Did you mean that it was E Class sized? The numbers floating around for it's length are 208.4 in which makes it an S Class size car.
The 208.4" size is for the EQS concept. We don't know the length of the production car. However i think there is reason to think the production model will be similar based on the photo below. If you look at the rear door of the production EQS it appears longer than an E-class door. It is likely the EQS will match the S-Class length while the EQE will match E-class length.
The 208.4" size is for the EQS concept. We don't know the length of the production car. However i think there is reason to think the production model will be similar based on the photo below. If you look at the rear door of the production EQS it appears longer than an E-class door. It is likely the EQS will match the S-Class length while the EQE will match E-class length.
09-14-2020, 08:29 AM
Yessir I would
