Finally a drive Review of the S580 2021
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Finally a drive Review of the S580 2021
This specific model has the rear axle steering and full MBUX technology such as AR in HUD... And yes a V8 because its the S580. What do you think?
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Very nice presentation. I notice that the leather interior is Crystal Grey, a color not currently available in the US. It compliments the silver exterior beautifully and I would have ordered it for my build if it was an option. Instead, I had to settle for the Macchiato/Magma Grey interior. Since I live in southwest Florida, a light interior is preferred by many drivers to keep the interior cool and I have Macchiato Napa leather in my Polar White 2020 GLE. Still, my first choice would be the Crystal Grey interior with the Cirrus Silver exterior.
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I get why things happen with a new car and a totally new factory, but Mercedes really should have put more effort to make sure all the options and colors/trims were available to order from the start for the U.S. market. I mean it's still a major market for this car. I bet the Chinese market is not so limited. It's not fair to early adopters to have to make do with such a limited selection of everything when you clearly see what is possible on test cars and cars in other markets.
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12:45 mark. Holy UI lag on the center screen and holy fidgety car as it drives around (for about 15 seconds after 12:45). Hopefully not an indication of a rougher ride versus competition due to RFT, again. 15:30 again for that rough ride.
What the heck is going on?!
What the heck is going on?!
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12:45 mark. Holy UI lag on the center screen and holy fidgety car as it drives around (for about 15 seconds after 12:45). Hopefully not an indication of a rougher ride versus competition due to RFT, again. 15:30 again for that rough ride.
What the heck is going on?!
What the heck is going on?!
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12:45 mark. Holy UI lag on the center screen and holy fidgety car as it drives around (for about 15 seconds after 12:45). Hopefully not an indication of a rougher ride versus competition due to RFT, again. 15:30 again for that rough ride.
What the heck is going on?!
What the heck is going on?!
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12:45 mark. Holy UI lag on the center screen and holy fidgety car as it drives around (for about 15 seconds after 12:45). Hopefully not an indication of a rougher ride versus competition due to RFT, again. 15:30 again for that rough ride.
What the heck is going on?!
What the heck is going on?!
Its probably the camera support. After the 15:30 point that you flag its showing the vibration and he is describing the carpet smooth ride. There is no doubt he is not experiencing what is being shown by the camera.
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Where are these reviews comparing these 3 vehicles wrt ride quality/cabin noise? I've been waiting.
I'm debating between what to buy for my next (2nd) car. I don't beat around the bush here. I despise the S class's new interior, but reserve right to judge until seeing it in person although top on my list is ride quality/cabin noise.
If the W223 closes the gap between the Ghost or FS, then they have my attention. However, I highly *highly* doubt that the 223 has closed the gap with the A8 let alone with the next tier of cars.
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When compared to an A8 or a 7 series?
Where are these reviews comparing these 3 vehicles wrt ride quality/cabin noise? I've been waiting.
I'm debating between what to buy for my next (2nd) car. I don't beat around the bush here. I despise the S class's new interior, but reserve right to judge until seeing it in person although top on my list is ride quality/cabin noise.
If the W223 closes the gap between the Ghost or FS, then they have my attention. However, I highly *highly* doubt that the 223 has closed the gap with the A8 let alone with the next tier of cars.
Where are these reviews comparing these 3 vehicles wrt ride quality/cabin noise? I've been waiting.
I'm debating between what to buy for my next (2nd) car. I don't beat around the bush here. I despise the S class's new interior, but reserve right to judge until seeing it in person although top on my list is ride quality/cabin noise.
If the W223 closes the gap between the Ghost or FS, then they have my attention. However, I highly *highly* doubt that the 223 has closed the gap with the A8 let alone with the next tier of cars.
A8 makes more a less good first impression but as you keep driving it you just realize how VWish it is.
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Anyway, what I'd like to see is a professional reviewer review the 223 versus the LS/7/A8, and for whatever reason none such thing exists.
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And that's where you lost all credibility. Not only is the A8 objectively quieter by quite a bit versus the W222, but rides better even by virtue of not having RFT. Every single review conducted (namely those in the UK) has mentioned this. It's also why I don't believe you actually have a present model A8.
Anyway, what I'd like to see is a professional reviewer review the 223 versus the LS/7/A8, and for whatever reason none such thing exists.
Anyway, what I'd like to see is a professional reviewer review the 223 versus the LS/7/A8, and for whatever reason none such thing exists.
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When compared to an A8 or a 7 series?
Where are these reviews comparing these 3 vehicles wrt ride quality/cabin noise? I've been waiting.
I'm debating between what to buy for my next (2nd) car. I don't beat around the bush here. I despise the S class's new interior, but reserve right to judge until seeing it in person although top on my list is ride quality/cabin noise.
If the W223 closes the gap between the Ghost or FS, then they have my attention. However, I highly *highly* doubt that the 223 has closed the gap with the A8 let alone with the next tier of cars.
Where are these reviews comparing these 3 vehicles wrt ride quality/cabin noise? I've been waiting.
I'm debating between what to buy for my next (2nd) car. I don't beat around the bush here. I despise the S class's new interior, but reserve right to judge until seeing it in person although top on my list is ride quality/cabin noise.
If the W223 closes the gap between the Ghost or FS, then they have my attention. However, I highly *highly* doubt that the 223 has closed the gap with the A8 let alone with the next tier of cars.
In regards to the Ghost and FS, both are technically inferior cars so I assume you are referring to interior noise. I am sure it will be measured against them as well. So far, the driving reviews came in strong IMO.
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Here’s a night drive review by same first reviewer
Love the “assistance” mode view on driver display, starting at the 8:30 mark and especially around the 9:06 mark. Astounding situational awareness graphically displayed!
Love the “assistance” mode view on driver display, starting at the 8:30 mark and especially around the 9:06 mark. Astounding situational awareness graphically displayed!
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And that's where you lost all credibility. Not only is the A8 objectively quieter by quite a bit versus the W222, but rides better even by virtue of not having RFT. Every single review conducted (namely those in the UK) has mentioned this. It's also why I don't believe you actually have a present model A8.
Anyway, what I'd like to see is a professional reviewer review the 223 versus the LS/7/A8, and for whatever reason none such thing exists.
Anyway, what I'd like to see is a professional reviewer review the 223 versus the LS/7/A8, and for whatever reason none such thing exists.
Unfortunately, they didn't have the W223 in 4 seat configuration as the 7/A8
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...di-a8-bmw-7er/
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And that's where you lost all credibility. Not only is the A8 objectively quieter by quite a bit versus the W222, but rides better even by virtue of not having RFT. Every single review conducted (namely those in the UK) has mentioned this. It's also why I don't believe you actually have a present model A8.
Anyway, what I'd like to see is a professional reviewer review the 223 versus the LS/7/A8, and for whatever reason none such thing exists.
Anyway, what I'd like to see is a professional reviewer review the 223 versus the LS/7/A8, and for whatever reason none such thing exists.
Audi makes products with quality like this:
One funny thing about this video is that VW products have the exact same problem.
FWIW, it is very well established that the S-class is much quieter; here is an objective measurement:
https://www.bksv.com/en/Knowledge-ce...ound/quiet-car
It shows the S-class being #1 quietest, even than a Rolls-Royce. When the W223 comes out, it will likely be the world's quietest car, followed by the W222 in 2nd place.
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You may be the only person in the world who thinks that the Audi A8 is better than the S-class. It isn't really even possible for this to be true. The average MSRP of an S-class is significantly higher than the average MSRP of an A8 - and yet the S-class still outsells the A8 by a very wide margin.
Audi makes products with quality like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTecF1nKw1Q
One funny thing about this video is that VW products have the exact same problem.
FWIW, it is very well established that the S-class is much quieter; here is an objective measurement:
https://www.bksv.com/en/Knowledge-ce...ound/quiet-car
It shows the S-class being #1 quietest, even than a Rolls-Royce. When the W223 comes out, it will likely be the world's quietest car, followed by the W222 in 2nd place.
Audi makes products with quality like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTecF1nKw1Q
One funny thing about this video is that VW products have the exact same problem.
FWIW, it is very well established that the S-class is much quieter; here is an objective measurement:
https://www.bksv.com/en/Knowledge-ce...ound/quiet-car
It shows the S-class being #1 quietest, even than a Rolls-Royce. When the W223 comes out, it will likely be the world's quietest car, followed by the W222 in 2nd place.
I'm sorry but I had to quote your post in order to capture how bad your sources and point of references were.
Also, quoting Scotty Kilmer is the nail in the coffin especially when the vehicle in question at the time for MB was the 204 pre FL... Which... Well, if you know MB history... Ha.
Back to the topic at hand. W223 versus competition of the same present gen.
Go. I think all of want this info.
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Having driven the W222 S560 compared to the 7 Series and A8 at least a dozen times over the last 3 months, theres no way the A8 is "substantially" better at anything. All of these cars ride great and are extremely quiet. The A8 has an edge because it doesnt have run flat tires, but the remedy there is to replace the run flat tires on the S Class or 7 which is what I will immediately do. We're talking about degrees of greatness here. The new A8 is an excellent riding very quiet car, but so is the S Class and the 7 Series. I also used a dB meter to measure each car's interior along the same stretch of road and got the same reading basically in each. I have no doubt this W223 will be the best riding, quietest car you can buy south in price of a Rolls Royce.
If you look at those UK tests where they mention that the A8 is the best riding car out of the two, notice the A8 thet have has very tiny wheels with high profile tires vs the S Class and 7 on 20" runflats. Well sure, the A8 will ride better. Compare an A8 on 20s to an S or 7 on 20s, and its a lot closer. To say the A8 is "quite a bit quieter" also is just nonsense. These three cars are the quietest cars you can buy outside of a Rolls Royce. Full stop. One is not "substantially better" than the other at anything.
For me the A8 was crossed off the list because try as I might I just don't care for the interior and don't like the FWD look of it on the exterior from certain angles. I lease, and their leases are terrible also. But, its a great car.
If you look at those UK tests where they mention that the A8 is the best riding car out of the two, notice the A8 thet have has very tiny wheels with high profile tires vs the S Class and 7 on 20" runflats. Well sure, the A8 will ride better. Compare an A8 on 20s to an S or 7 on 20s, and its a lot closer. To say the A8 is "quite a bit quieter" also is just nonsense. These three cars are the quietest cars you can buy outside of a Rolls Royce. Full stop. One is not "substantially better" than the other at anything.
For me the A8 was crossed off the list because try as I might I just don't care for the interior and don't like the FWD look of it on the exterior from certain angles. I lease, and their leases are terrible also. But, its a great car.
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The biggest issue I have with Audi is that both their interiors and their overall styling is a bit bland. A key element of luxury is design. VAG seems to save high-end design for the Porsche brand, and sticks Audi with mass-market design similar to VW.
