sam9187

Any Updates when the S63 is being Released?

mercedesmax

Nope

Eaton

https://www.motor1.com/news/591814/m...plug-in-spied/

sam9187

What is MB waiting for?
It has been 2 years since launch of W223

mercedesmax

With the current supply chain issues plus the uncertainty of the V8's future I'm not surprised that they haven't made any announcement yet.
I wouldn't expect to see the car before next spring.

sam9187

Any update on the S63 release?

Baloo588

Dont expect it until the 2024 model year which is next summer/fall of 2023.

https://www.motor1.com/news/591814/m...plug-in-spied/

Chucky3000

Smartest thing they could do. They should wait and let demand build up - and only release when they have the ability to make the car.

Move to the Range Rover Forum and see the **** show that is happening there.

The new Range was revealed / released in October 2021. The next day I was placed on a a list to order. I submitted my order a week later once the configurator had the range to build.

March 15th 2022 - I signed the build which the dealership sent me.

To date - no car - no build - and Range withdrew the color I selected - then suspended production of LWB models - then suspended V8 models - so you can now either get the BASE model or the SV model ($225k).

And then they don't have some of the options people want (like the rear comfort seats, etc).

At this stage - there is really NO point to have released the car - they can't make them.

In my neighborhood - when the new S Class debuted - there was no delay - and even now - there are 4 new S580s on my block alone (within the last month).

There are NO new range rovers in our neighborhood - and only 3 or 4 on the forum have taken delivery of theirs. Out of HUNDREDS of people on the forum in that thread.

Let Merc wait till everything is settled - by then - they will have no problem meeting demand - which will be so high - Merc will be laughing to the bank for the easy sell.

Chucky3000

And FWIW - the folks that DID get their new Range Rovers - are reporting wind noise - panels not matching up - and other oddities.

There is no shame in saying "Let us release when we are ready". The buyers aren't going to abandon them.

Doesn't make it any nicer that brokers and dealers are charging $75,000 over sticker.

This character has it $100,000 over sticker.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing

js_cls

I had no idea about the current issues with JLR but this makes complete sense now considering I've only seen one new RR in the past few months despite my area having large demand for them.

Chucky3000

And now I just got word that their 23" wheel is now no longer available. They touted for the first time a factory 23" range rover wheel - and how amazing it was - and how it was no different in terms of comfort than current and previous 22" wheels.

And they ran out (which means they didn't have many to begin with because so few cars are out there.

What they did wrong was release dozens of cars to the press - honestly who gives a rats *** anyway what the press says - those should have been sent to dealers to get buyers their cars - and stop playing the public relations game.

All those cars btw had 23" wheels - what a total waste of resources. God loves Road and Track Magazine - but they can say the car's not so nice - and the customer is still going to buy it.

Allocation of resources was crucial and they screwed up.

Right now - as you said - very few if any have their cars. Well this is from Range Rovers website - all cars are either suspended or 12 month wait -- which is PR spin for a 2 year wait. So with so few having their cars - anyone interested is being told either they won't have their order even taken - or come back in a year.

https://www.landrover.co.uk/vehicle-availability.html

sam9187

That's horrible!!!! On the RR. I have a GLS63 ion order. The order was placed after MB restarted V8s back in February to be built in May but got pushed to September - not sure why - thought was lack of 23 inch wheels. It's now pushed to October. It then got switched to 2023 and in 2023 MB is not offering 3D Audio as an option - was really looking forward to that - The lack of options are rampant in the industry now. This is beyond crazy.

Chucky3000

But they are at least getting the cars out there (minus some options - which I agree is terrible).

RR is just not building the car at all.

Look around the wealthy areas - the only people that have this car - paid $75,000 or more over MSRP to a broker to get it.

Clowns.

sam9187

True. I think the problem runs deeper than what's being blamed on COViD-19. MB has had a long history of releasing cars with many options not being available. Sounds like RR has major problems that they need to figure out. This market has created some crazy ADMs which benefit dealers and create more lopsided supply demand balance.

Chucky3000

In the dealers defense (i am not defending them) - their side is that their overhead is very high - stays high - and is higher due to inflation. This isn't a lie. Remedies would include laying off most of their staff - cutting office space so to pay lower rent - reducing the work week to 3 days so to save on utilities bills.

With few (to no) cars to sell - where is their income? From vehicle repairs? Many under warranty anyway.

How do they realistically make up the shortfall?

Now - my answer would be - for all the parts and labor over the years that they have been selling at very high prices (well above the average repair shop) - there should have been rainy day funds in all these dealers bank accounts or structures.

Naturally - no one thought the party would end - and sure - covid came out of nowhere and walloped them - but it walloped everyone.

During Covid - they got PPP funds - so their biggest expense was paid for over two 4 month terms.

So if the only thing keeping their lights on are these high ADMs - then they're pretty lame in the business side of things.

Hate to sound like an elitist but - the same goes for personal families. Everyone knows the rules of being smart. There should be a 6 month emergency fund put a side just in case. Businesses should be twice that.

mercedesmax

No the car wasn't mentioned in the 2023 price release that MBUSA put out yesterday.

crabman

Where did you see the price release? Not showing up in search for me.

mercedesmax

MBUSA release on Netstar

crabman

Is that public domain?

mercedesmax

Nope

sam9187

Netstar is the dealer's internal system.

crabman

Just talked to my dealer, my car went up 7k versus a 22; loaded executive.

Bubba1

I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my S580 for the last 5 months. The thought of the W223 S63 is very intriguing. Would love to hear people’s thoughts on whether it’s worth moving up when it comes out?

UrBusted

I have a black on black Vogue coming next month; it's not an autobiography but I need something to replace my autobiography and don't want to wait. There are quite a few on the road here in the UK. Already put name down on a SVR. Hopefully will have pics and a review to share with you guys in a few weeks.
Currently;

js_cls

It depends really. In my opinion, while the S63 has always been nice, I think its more so for those who are willing to spend more money for performance. For me, personally, the things that matter in an S-Class are comfort and opulence, which the 580, and even the 500 already provide in strides. The 63 does handle better, but this is a 5,000 pound boat so if handling is a priority, better to step down to an E63. If you are willing to sacrifice a bit of cash for a more engaging motor than it will definitely be worth your cash, the new S63 should set itself apart even further than in the past thanks to a new hybridized powertrain (PHEV) as well as sportier styling with a Panamericana grill instead of a traditional grill and hood ornament.