2023 Genesis G90 MT Car Of The Year!
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2023 Genesis G90 MT Car Of The Year!
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It sounds like an amazing car, most impressive for a relatively-new brand like Genesis.
I love how the benchmark in this segment is clearly the S-class. No mention of the 7-series or A8?
I believe the G90 has the technology and performance to rival the big boys. My concern is the long-term quality.
I love how the benchmark in this segment is clearly the S-class. No mention of the 7-series or A8?
I believe the G90 has the technology and performance to rival the big boys. My concern is the long-term quality.
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After the new BMW 7 and the current Lexus LS, the grille doesn’t bother me. The wheels, on the other hand, are just nuts. They are so overly complicated. Can you imagine keeping them clean? And, I was amazed that 21’s are the ONLY choice on the supercharged model, 20’s on the base model. That said, when I test drove the supercharged model, I was amazed at how good the ride was. I’d love to pop some 19’s on there are see how it rides.
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I must say I’m amazed as to how positive the review is. Thanks for posting.
Any thoughts on reliability and dealer network/capability/follow up? At this stage of my life I don’t want any hassles and my Benz dealer is very good. They pick up/drop off etc..,
I must say I’m amazed as to how positive the review is. Thanks for posting.
Any thoughts on reliability and dealer network/capability/follow up? At this stage of my life I don’t want any hassles and my Benz dealer is very good. They pick up/drop off etc..,
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Hyundai has proven themselves to produce highly reliable vehicles and honestly, I’d feel more comfortable with their products than those from some other makers.
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I just sold my G90 and went back to a used S-Class. I would tell people that the G90 was 80% of a MB for 1/2 the price. My previous car was an S600. The Genesis is a great car, but not a "special" car. A reviewer can say what they want, but to live with a MB versus a Genesis is to really know the difference. One crucial part of the ownership expreience is the dealer experience, and Genesis is sorely lakcing in that department. It was nothing short of abysmal! Long wait times, even prior to the pandemic. They said it was because only one service rep could work on the Genesis' G90 systems, to long part order times, to just low level service, like never returning phone calls, long call wait times, and assorted problems. Maybe it's different in other parts of the country but her in the Seattle area it was nothing but trouble.
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I just sold my G90 and went back to a used S-Class. I would tell people that the G90 was 80% of a MB for 1/2 the price. My previous car was an S600. The Genesis is a great car, but not a "special" car. A reviewer can say what they want, but to live with a MB versus a Genesis is to really know the difference. One crucial part of the ownership expreience is the dealer experience, and Genesis is sorely lakcing in that department. It was nothing short of abysmal! Long wait times, even prior to the pandemic. They said it was because only one service rep could work on the Genesis' G90 systems, to long part order times, to just low level service, like never returning phone calls, long call wait times, and assorted problems. Maybe it's different in other parts of the country but her in the Seattle area it was nothing but trouble.
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In reality, a properly spec G90 is about US$100k which definitely is more than ''1/2'' and is closer to ''80%''?
Anyway and regardless, it is good for the S-Class to have competition, the more the better.
We, as consumers, then have more choices and competition usually drives the cost down and naturally forces each manufacturer to improve their products.
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''1/2 the price'' is not too realistic. It is true only if you compare a bare bone G90 with a fully optioned S580.
In reality, a properly spec G90 is about US$100k which definitely is more than ''1/2'' and is closer to ''80%''?
Anyway and regardless, it is good for the S-Class to have competition, the more the better.
We, as consumers, then have more choices and competition usually drives the cost down and naturally forces each manufacturer to improve their products.
In reality, a properly spec G90 is about US$100k which definitely is more than ''1/2'' and is closer to ''80%''?
Anyway and regardless, it is good for the S-Class to have competition, the more the better.
We, as consumers, then have more choices and competition usually drives the cost down and naturally forces each manufacturer to improve their products.
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Electronic parking brake
Broken left rear window mechanism, and that window was rerely if ever used in the 4 years of ownership, I hardly ever lowered the sunshade
Other problems I can't remember, not frequent, but more frequent than expected.
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''1/2 the price'' is not too realistic. It is true only if you compare a bare bone G90 with a fully optioned S580.
In reality, a properly spec G90 is about US$100k which definitely is more than ''1/2'' and is closer to ''80%''?
Anyway and regardless, it is good for the S-Class to have competition, the more the better.
We, as consumers, then have more choices and competition usually drives the cost down and naturally forces each manufacturer to improve their products.
In reality, a properly spec G90 is about US$100k which definitely is more than ''1/2'' and is closer to ''80%''?
Anyway and regardless, it is good for the S-Class to have competition, the more the better.
We, as consumers, then have more choices and competition usually drives the cost down and naturally forces each manufacturer to improve their products.
Genesis does one thing I wish MB would do and that is make the shopping experience easier. They only had 2 options. Signature or Ultimate. The Ultimate comes with "everything", rear seat entertainement, HUD, etc., every available option. The Signature has a standard set of features, albeit fewer than the Ultimate. You only had 2 choices of levels of options. Much easier to shop in the used car market.
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Attached URL is a Genesis G90 forum similar to our forum. Lots of nit picking just like ours, but there is some commonality of Genesis owners not happy with service received from Hyundai dealers and very few Genesis only dealers.
Genesis G90 Forum - G90FORUM.COM | Genesis Forums (genesisowners.com)
Genesis G90 Forum - G90FORUM.COM | Genesis Forums (genesisowners.com)
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Its an amazing car but I think they should have never broke the $100k ceiling. It is a $90k car at best. Once you spend time in one you feel and see the shortcomings and at that price point it becomes an issue. I love the car and would consider one but will wait for discounts as they aren't hard to find despite their attempt to hold back to create a buzz at launch.
MB service and prestige is nowhere what it used to be. They watered down the brand with more low end than high end cars and the service and showroom experience reflects that. I don't care what it sound like but when you buy several cars upwards of $125 each you should be treated better than the person who picked up a CPO $25k car. Not that they should be treated poorly but luxury goods are all about the experience which to me has left the building and why I am no longer buying MB products.
The idea that I can simply call and have the car picked up and delivered is a huge selling point in my busy life.
I think EV'ing of luxury cars will lower pricing as there is no longer a special 12cyl model which BMW is finding out now. They are trying to sell remaining 2022 760's for $175 when the have brand new 760's and i7'S loaded for 25-$50k less. EV is quieter and smoother than any 12cyl.
MB service and prestige is nowhere what it used to be. They watered down the brand with more low end than high end cars and the service and showroom experience reflects that. I don't care what it sound like but when you buy several cars upwards of $125 each you should be treated better than the person who picked up a CPO $25k car. Not that they should be treated poorly but luxury goods are all about the experience which to me has left the building and why I am no longer buying MB products.
The idea that I can simply call and have the car picked up and delivered is a huge selling point in my busy life.
I think EV'ing of luxury cars will lower pricing as there is no longer a special 12cyl model which BMW is finding out now. They are trying to sell remaining 2022 760's for $175 when the have brand new 760's and i7'S loaded for 25-$50k less. EV is quieter and smoother than any 12cyl.
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Attached URL is a Genesis G90 forum similar to our forum. Lots of nit picking just like ours, but there is some commonality of Genesis owners not happy with service received from Hyundai dealers and very few Genesis only dealers.
Genesis G90 Forum - G90FORUM.COM | Genesis Forums (genesisowners.com)
Genesis G90 Forum - G90FORUM.COM | Genesis Forums (genesisowners.com)
I noted on the "What car did you come from" thread the cars were things like a Buick Lacrosse, Toyota Avalon, CT5, etc. There was one from MB, and one from BMW, a Lexus man, but for most of those posters the G90 would have been significantly up-market for them. I don't think the S Class has that going on to that extent; there are a lot of long time owners, people making lateral moves, people coming from up- market, etc.
I'd also say they're younger; it's a different demographic for sure.
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Attached URL is a Genesis G90 forum similar to our forum. Lots of nit picking just like ours, but there is some commonality of Genesis owners not happy with service received from Hyundai dealers and very few Genesis only dealers.
Genesis G90 Forum - G90FORUM.COM | Genesis Forums (genesisowners.com)
Genesis G90 Forum - G90FORUM.COM | Genesis Forums (genesisowners.com)
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It was actually less than half the price for a comparably equipped S-class used off lease car, that's not an exaggeration.
Genesis does one thing I wish MB would do and that is make the shopping experience easier. They only had 2 options. Signature or Ultimate. The Ultimate comes with "everything", rear seat entertainement, HUD, etc., every available option. The Signature has a standard set of features, albeit fewer than the Ultimate. You only had 2 choices of levels of options. Much easier to shop in the used car market.
Genesis does one thing I wish MB would do and that is make the shopping experience easier. They only had 2 options. Signature or Ultimate. The Ultimate comes with "everything", rear seat entertainement, HUD, etc., every available option. The Signature has a standard set of features, albeit fewer than the Ultimate. You only had 2 choices of levels of options. Much easier to shop in the used car market.
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I think you may be one of the few woth that opinion - Mercedes moved to a somewhat "trim level" structure with the W223 but made the mistake of making the AMG line one of the trim levels. There has been huge backlash including quite a bit on this forum over not being able to order RWS without the rear seat goodies, or not being able to order the rear seat goodies with the sport exterior, etc. If 3D tech or 4D audio were also moved into a trim level, it would be bad to most people on this forum i think.
I LOVE driving the 2023 S500 4 matic, it trul is sublime, with the exception of the V6. It's remarkable, but marginally less enjoyable than the V8. The V8 is just smoother and you get a little more low end grunt that helps when accelerating from 20-50mph.
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"One crucial part of the ownership experience is the dealer experience, and Genesis is sorely lakcing in that department." Well, my experience with MB dealers and my S560 is also "sorely lacking". In fact it's been horrible. I've had three different warranty issues and I've had to argue and fight to get the warranty honored. Most of the trouble was Mercedes Benz USA, so I think I'm not alone. So, my personal MB service experience has been sorely lacking.
