No more ICE S Class??? No more EQ moniker?
01-14-2023, 10:21 AM
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No more ICE S Class??? No more EQ moniker?
01-14-2023, 10:45 AM
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Makes sense. As I mentioned on the EQS forum, the EQ branding was always meant to be a temporary moniker as MB phases out ICE production/development. The next S-Class will likely ride on the upcoming MB.EA platform for larger vehicles, and will be replacing the EQS. Either the upcoming compact EV replacing the CLA or the Electric G-Wagon will likely transition out of the EQ branding and use a normal moniker.
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01-14-2023, 11:41 PM
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Not so fast; I've got questions about this upcoming S-Class EV: Are they going to revert to having buttons for frequently used functions? Are they going to try and tell me I need to pay annually to keep my rear wheel steering? Am I going to be able to option it the way I want to instead of the incredibly stupid bundling currently called an options list in the US?
I'll be frank; I bought this car to sample it. The S-Class is iconic, I've never done it, so I'm giving it a whirl. I love the comfort and luxury aspect of it in particular, there's a lot to like in general. It's not a love affair though, many aspects of it's basic functioning are below my expectations. An example would be the windshield wipers: In my last car I turned them to auto and I was done adjusting them; I don't even remember how you turn them on and off because it was a couple years ago when I put them on auto. In this car you have to turn them off because they'll dry sweep, turn them up because they aren't ramping up enough on their own. It's not that they're terrible, they work ok, but they don't work the way I imagined wipers would work on an S-Class. There are quite a few fails like that, another, the headlights are the worst I've had since I owned a diesel truck to tow a bass boat. Those were halogens; it was a 2003. That ain't right. My expectations were obviously too high but they weren't crazy, these are housekeeping tasks and I shouldn't be able to go all the way back to a 2003 Dodge truck to recall a vehicle with worse headlights.
For me they're going to have to up their game or I'm likely moving on when I turn this one in. It's not that I don't like it, I do, but I expected more.
I'll be frank; I bought this car to sample it. The S-Class is iconic, I've never done it, so I'm giving it a whirl. I love the comfort and luxury aspect of it in particular, there's a lot to like in general. It's not a love affair though, many aspects of it's basic functioning are below my expectations. An example would be the windshield wipers: In my last car I turned them to auto and I was done adjusting them; I don't even remember how you turn them on and off because it was a couple years ago when I put them on auto. In this car you have to turn them off because they'll dry sweep, turn them up because they aren't ramping up enough on their own. It's not that they're terrible, they work ok, but they don't work the way I imagined wipers would work on an S-Class. There are quite a few fails like that, another, the headlights are the worst I've had since I owned a diesel truck to tow a bass boat. Those were halogens; it was a 2003. That ain't right. My expectations were obviously too high but they weren't crazy, these are housekeeping tasks and I shouldn't be able to go all the way back to a 2003 Dodge truck to recall a vehicle with worse headlights.
For me they're going to have to up their game or I'm likely moving on when I turn this one in. It's not that I don't like it, I do, but I expected more.
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01-15-2023, 12:46 AM
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I reckon the current EQS serves as a point man for the EV S-Class. MB engineers are learning from all the good and the bad from the EQS and they will iron out all the 'bugs' so that the EV S-Class will come out almost perfect. It will not be perfect as new gremlins will appear but the overall perfection of the, say, W224 will be higher than the EQS's.
I have confidence of MB doing the next S-Class right. But it is the overall support structure (eg quantity and quality of the charging stations) that I am more concerned and am not too happy about the progress.
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Maybe the EQXX design will be part of the inspiration for the new EV S-Class somehow, or the very least the interior design with the complete hyperscreen without the three individual screens we see now.
01-15-2023, 09:58 AM
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Not so fast; I've got questions about this upcoming S-Class EV: Are they going to revert to having buttons for frequently used functions? Are they going to try and tell me I need to pay annually to keep my rear wheel steering? Am I going to be able to option it the way I want to instead of the incredibly stupid bundling currently called an options list in the US?
I'll be frank; I bought this car to sample it. The S-Class is iconic, I've never done it, so I'm giving it a whirl. I love the comfort and luxury aspect of it in particular, there's a lot to like in general. It's not a love affair though, many aspects of it's basic functioning are below my expectations. An example would be the windshield wipers: In my last car I turned them to auto and I was done adjusting them; I don't even remember how you turn them on and off because it was a couple years ago when I put them on auto. In this car you have to turn them off because they'll dry sweep, turn them up because they aren't ramping up enough on their own. It's not that they're terrible, they work ok, but they don't work the way I imagined wipers would work on an S-Class. There are quite a few fails like that, another, the headlights are the worst I've had since I owned a diesel truck to tow a bass boat. Those were halogens; it was a 2003. That ain't right. My expectations were obviously too high but they weren't crazy, these are housekeeping tasks and I shouldn't be able to go all the way back to a 2003 Dodge truck to recall a vehicle with worse headlights.
For me they're going to have to up their game or I'm likely moving on when I turn this one in. It's not that I don't like it, I do, but I expected more.
I'll be frank; I bought this car to sample it. The S-Class is iconic, I've never done it, so I'm giving it a whirl. I love the comfort and luxury aspect of it in particular, there's a lot to like in general. It's not a love affair though, many aspects of it's basic functioning are below my expectations. An example would be the windshield wipers: In my last car I turned them to auto and I was done adjusting them; I don't even remember how you turn them on and off because it was a couple years ago when I put them on auto. In this car you have to turn them off because they'll dry sweep, turn them up because they aren't ramping up enough on their own. It's not that they're terrible, they work ok, but they don't work the way I imagined wipers would work on an S-Class. There are quite a few fails like that, another, the headlights are the worst I've had since I owned a diesel truck to tow a bass boat. Those were halogens; it was a 2003. That ain't right. My expectations were obviously too high but they weren't crazy, these are housekeeping tasks and I shouldn't be able to go all the way back to a 2003 Dodge truck to recall a vehicle with worse headlights.
For me they're going to have to up their game or I'm likely moving on when I turn this one in. It's not that I don't like it, I do, but I expected more.
Do other people have issues with the headlights in their W223s? I might have them looked at by the dealer...
01-15-2023, 10:58 AM
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There is a thread on it. I'll try coding when it becomes available and we'll see where that goes. As for the windshield wipers they're well behind my Porsche's which were reactive to conditions and pretty much doing what you want all the time. It's not that they're terrible here, they're not what in my mind is S-Class level wipers. Remember I'm new to the brand and in my mind this car was supposed to get things like lights, wipers, and other fundamental functions right.
There is more. The heating produces heat very quickly but it overshoots the temp every single time and you have to turn the temperature down manually to compensate. Later it will cool to the set temp so you have to keep your eye on it and turn it back up, or it will get too cold. Same as the wipers when comparing to Porsche except with the heating I spent a few trips finding the correct temp. Never touched it again over there and don't remember how it was adjusted.
Again, these are simple things. My preconceived image of how they would work in an S-Class was that they would be above reproach.
Not wanting to be too negative here because there is a lot of good in this car. I can't say it's perfect though and I'll be considering the landscape when the time comes.
A last perspective on it is that Mrs Crab was critical about the lights and temperature control; while far smarter than I am she's normally oblivious to such things.
There is more. The heating produces heat very quickly but it overshoots the temp every single time and you have to turn the temperature down manually to compensate. Later it will cool to the set temp so you have to keep your eye on it and turn it back up, or it will get too cold. Same as the wipers when comparing to Porsche except with the heating I spent a few trips finding the correct temp. Never touched it again over there and don't remember how it was adjusted.
Again, these are simple things. My preconceived image of how they would work in an S-Class was that they would be above reproach.
Not wanting to be too negative here because there is a lot of good in this car. I can't say it's perfect though and I'll be considering the landscape when the time comes.
A last perspective on it is that Mrs Crab was critical about the lights and temperature control; while far smarter than I am she's normally oblivious to such things.
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01-15-2023, 11:07 AM
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I'm new to the brand too (well, 2 years in now) and while some things work differently than they did on my previous Lexus vehicles, I can't say anything works poorly. HVAC is set and forget pretty much, headlights are awesome (before and after the coding). The auto function of the wipers works great (the wipers themselves not so much, although I have the skipping and shuddering under control)...I'm surprised basic functions like that are so different in the 223 vs the 222.
There are MANY settings in the HVAC for personalization. I wonder if you need to adjust them. For instance I find the AC gets too cold if the airflow is set to focus or medium in the summer, so I change it to diffuse.
There are MANY settings in the HVAC for personalization. I wonder if you need to adjust them. For instance I find the AC gets too cold if the airflow is set to focus or medium in the summer, so I change it to diffuse.
01-15-2023, 11:41 AM
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Yeah, I'm a menu diver, so I've made the rounds. Or at least I think I have; there are a lot of nested menus and it wouldn't surprise me if I missed something.
On the headlights; they can be over driven at highway speed. I brought it in for that but they didn't road test it; instead opting to put it through a self-test cycle that said all was well. Out in the real world I actually turned them off and on to see if they were really on.
That used to be a thing back the day, cycling the lights to make sure they were on when you weren't sure in mixed lighting situations. You may not be old enough to remember that which is telling. I have to go all the way back to a 20 year old vehicle with vastly inferior lighting tech to recall worse. This is not hyperbole. I used to maintain 3 cars for myself and two for my wife at most times and I can't recall having a lighting complaint with anything since the acronym HID became a thing. I'm pretty sure there is something wrong.
I'm headed across the pond as I write this and I'll return to it when I get back; I don't think the last word had been typed on the lights.
On the headlights; they can be over driven at highway speed. I brought it in for that but they didn't road test it; instead opting to put it through a self-test cycle that said all was well. Out in the real world I actually turned them off and on to see if they were really on.
That used to be a thing back the day, cycling the lights to make sure they were on when you weren't sure in mixed lighting situations. You may not be old enough to remember that which is telling. I have to go all the way back to a 20 year old vehicle with vastly inferior lighting tech to recall worse. This is not hyperbole. I used to maintain 3 cars for myself and two for my wife at most times and I can't recall having a lighting complaint with anything since the acronym HID became a thing. I'm pretty sure there is something wrong.
I'm headed across the pond as I write this and I'll return to it when I get back; I don't think the last word had been typed on the lights.
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01-15-2023, 11:47 AM
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Yeah, I'm a menu diver, so I've made the rounds. Or at least I think I have; there are a lot of nested menus and it wouldn't surprise me if I missed something.
On the headlights; they can be over driven at highway speed. I brought it in for that but they didn't road test it; instead opting to put it through a self-test cycle that said all was well. Out in the real world I actually turned them off and on to see if they were really on.
That used to be a thing back the day, cycling the lights to make sure they were on when you weren't sure in mixed lighting situations. You may not be old enough to remember that which is telling. I have to go all the way back to a 20 year old vehicle with vastly inferior lighting tech to recall worse. This is not hyperbole. I used to maintain 3 cars for myself and two for my wife at most times and I can't recall having a lighting complaint with anything since the acronym HID became a thing. I'm pretty sure there is something wrong.
I'm headed across the pond as I write this and I'll return to it when I get back; I don't think the last word had been typed on the lights.
On the headlights; they can be over driven at highway speed. I brought it in for that but they didn't road test it; instead opting to put it through a self-test cycle that said all was well. Out in the real world I actually turned them off and on to see if they were really on.
That used to be a thing back the day, cycling the lights to make sure they were on when you weren't sure in mixed lighting situations. You may not be old enough to remember that which is telling. I have to go all the way back to a 20 year old vehicle with vastly inferior lighting tech to recall worse. This is not hyperbole. I used to maintain 3 cars for myself and two for my wife at most times and I can't recall having a lighting complaint with anything since the acronym HID became a thing. I'm pretty sure there is something wrong.
I'm headed across the pond as I write this and I'll return to it when I get back; I don't think the last word had been typed on the lights.
01-15-2023, 11:51 AM
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Yeah something is not right, they need to be aimed higher
01-15-2023, 11:53 AM
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That was the consensus on the lighting thread. I took it in first thing in the morning while it was still dark so they could take a spin and see it for themselves. It turns out by the book they're supposed to run the diagnostic before a road test so it was light by the time that went out. Some fail there...
01-15-2023, 11:57 AM
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They're always going to do everything according to the book, they have to in order to get MBUSA to cover it.
01-15-2023, 01:07 PM
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RULES! WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING RULES! 
01-15-2023, 01:29 PM
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All of that is interesting. In my W222 the automatic wipers work the same as they have in all the other cars I have had with automatic wipers, and my headlights are bar none the best headlights I have ever had. I have the ILS coded on now and they are remarkably good.
Do other people have issues with the headlights in their W223s? I might have them looked at by the dealer...
Do other people have issues with the headlights in their W223s? I might have them looked at by the dealer...
01-15-2023, 01:33 PM
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I'm new to the brand too (well, 2 years in now) and while some things work differently than they did on my previous Lexus vehicles, I can't say anything works poorly. HVAC is set and forget pretty much, headlights are awesome (before and after the coding). The auto function of the wipers works great (the wipers themselves not so much, although I have the skipping and shuddering under control)...I'm surprised basic functions like that are so different in the 223 vs the 222.
There are MANY settings in the HVAC for personalization. I wonder if you need to adjust them. For instance I find the AC gets too cold if the airflow is set to focus or medium in the summer, so I change it to diffuse.
There are MANY settings in the HVAC for personalization. I wonder if you need to adjust them. For instance I find the AC gets too cold if the airflow is set to focus or medium in the summer, so I change it to diffuse.
01-15-2023, 03:00 PM
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