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That is a very interesting article. Not being a really technical guy—but a reasonably practical & common sense type—I’ve always had similar thoughts on the whole EV thing. I’m all for “saving the planet,” but I believe the politics of it have caused a knee jerk reaction to the problems and we are now starting to experience some of the consequences.
In L.A.—a city where I was born & raised, where I built my business, that I will rarely venture into anymore because of the lawlessness—they have this “road diet” program, where they have taken some busy, major thoroughfares and devoted one lane to busses only and another for bicycles only, turning the one remaining lane into a virtual “no man’s land” for other vehicles. Businesses on those streets have been decimated, all in the name of what some feel is just SO environmentally responsible.
I think I’m staying with an ICE vehicle for now, maybe a hybrid. The whole environmental movement is just moving too quickly and too haphazardly for me right now. I believe there are potentially massive, unintended consequences with all of these batteries being manufactured.
In L.A.—a city where I was born & raised, where I built my business, that I will rarely venture into anymore because of the lawlessness—they have this “road diet” program, where they have taken some busy, major thoroughfares and devoted one lane to busses only and another for bicycles only, turning the one remaining lane into a virtual “no man’s land” for other vehicles. Businesses on those streets have been decimated, all in the name of what some feel is just SO environmentally responsible.
I think I’m staying with an ICE vehicle for now, maybe a hybrid. The whole environmental movement is just moving too quickly and too haphazardly for me right now. I believe there are potentially massive, unintended consequences with all of these batteries being manufactured.
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1. Limit horsepower on passenger vehicles & light trucks. Nobody needs more than around 350hp for the street, NOBODY!
2.. Above limit would apply to electric & hybrids as well. 800hp electric cars are not helping the planet. “Track Ready” cars should not be allowed to operate on public streets & highways.
3. Crack down on brake pads that produce dust in enormous amounts. Lexus vehicles make way less dust than German makes. It can & should be done.
4. The size & weight of passenger vehicles & especially light trucks should be reeled in. Every Toby Keith wannabe out there is using a lifted F350, with monster tires as his daily driver. It really has gotten way out of hand.
5. All gasoline powered mowers, trimmers, leaf blowers, etc. should be banned in favor of rechargeable or plug-in electrics.
6. We should immediately restart our nuclear power plant industry. It is our absolute, very best shot at safe, clean, renewable energy. The waste can be safely dealt with.
7. We need a “Robert Moses” type transportation tsar to get mass transit projects done. The absolute folly that is the California High Speed Rail Authority, is a great idea, but NOT if every single decision needs to be litigated in court. For the greater good of the many, a few should be forced out of the way, properly compensated, of course. Robert Moses was hated, but he got the job done and billions of people have benefited over the decades. You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
OH LORDY! Am I going to catch hell now!
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Some of them are spendy ($5-10k), but as you know a nice ride costs money!
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1. They ride on the wrong side of the street.
2. I have clocked kids at over 40mph on flat roads. I’ve seen them going faster down hills. These things don’t have the traction to stop quickly at those speeds.
3. They ride on the sidewalk.
4. They almost double the areas a vehicle driver must watch when entering an intersection, parking lot, making a turn or changing lanes.
5. They blast through stop signs and red lights.
6. When it suits them, they use left turn lanes.
7. When it suits them, they ride in crosswalks.
8. I have seen three teens on one small e-bike.
9. The e-bikes are motor-powered cycles, so should be licensed & regulated like motor scooters. All laws applying to motor scooters should apply to e-bikes.
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I certainly don’t have the answers, but a few things come to mind:
1. Limit horsepower on passenger vehicles & light trucks. Nobody needs more than around 350hp for the street, NOBODY!
2.. Above limit would apply to electric & hybrids as well. 800hp electric cars are not helping the planet. “Track Ready” cars should not be allowed to operate on public streets & highways.
3. Crack down on brake pads that produce dust in enormous amounts. Lexus vehicles make way less dust than German makes. It can & should be done.
4. The size & weight of passenger vehicles & especially light trucks should be reeled in. Every Toby Keith wannabe out there is using a lifted F350, with monster tires as his daily driver. It really has gotten way out of hand.
5. All gasoline powered mowers, trimmers, leaf blowers, etc. should be banned in favor of rechargeable or plug-in electrics.
6. We should immediately restart our nuclear power plant industry. It is our absolute, very best shot at safe, clean, renewable energy. The waste can be safely dealt with.
7. We need a “Robert Moses” type transportation tsar to get mass transit projects done. The absolute folly that is the California High Speed Rail Authority, is a great idea, but NOT if every single decision needs to be litigated in court. For the greater good of the many, a few should be forced out of the way, properly compensated, of course. Robert Moses was hated, but he got the job done and billions of people have benefited over the decades. You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
OH LORDY! Am I going to catch hell now!
1. Limit horsepower on passenger vehicles & light trucks. Nobody needs more than around 350hp for the street, NOBODY!
2.. Above limit would apply to electric & hybrids as well. 800hp electric cars are not helping the planet. “Track Ready” cars should not be allowed to operate on public streets & highways.
3. Crack down on brake pads that produce dust in enormous amounts. Lexus vehicles make way less dust than German makes. It can & should be done.
4. The size & weight of passenger vehicles & especially light trucks should be reeled in. Every Toby Keith wannabe out there is using a lifted F350, with monster tires as his daily driver. It really has gotten way out of hand.
5. All gasoline powered mowers, trimmers, leaf blowers, etc. should be banned in favor of rechargeable or plug-in electrics.
6. We should immediately restart our nuclear power plant industry. It is our absolute, very best shot at safe, clean, renewable energy. The waste can be safely dealt with.
7. We need a “Robert Moses” type transportation tsar to get mass transit projects done. The absolute folly that is the California High Speed Rail Authority, is a great idea, but NOT if every single decision needs to be litigated in court. For the greater good of the many, a few should be forced out of the way, properly compensated, of course. Robert Moses was hated, but he got the job done and billions of people have benefited over the decades. You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
OH LORDY! Am I going to catch hell now!
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Only Fletcher Jones. I have found their service department to be second to none in my area. Mind you, I have never actually gotten a vehicle from them, but when other dealer service departments began letting me down, I tried them and have been thoroughly impressed, at least so far.
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If traffic wasn’t so crazy where I live, I’d ride one as well. But here in South, Coastal Orange County, traffic is just nuts. In addition—and now considerably adding to the chaos—we have every spoiled brat kid & teen riding e-bikes and not in good ways:
1. They ride on the wrong side of the street.
2. I have clocked kids at over 40mph on flat roads. I’ve seen them going faster down hills. These things don’t have the traction to stop quickly at those speeds.
3. They ride on the sidewalk.
4. They almost double the areas a vehicle driver must watch when entering an intersection, parking lot, making a turn or changing lanes.
5. They blast through stop signs and red lights.
6. When it suits them, they use left turn lanes.
7. When it suits them, they ride in crosswalks.
8. I have seen three teens on one small e-bike.
9. The e-bikes are motor-powered cycles, so should be licensed & regulated like motor scooters. All laws applying to motor scooters should apply to e-bikes.
1. They ride on the wrong side of the street.
2. I have clocked kids at over 40mph on flat roads. I’ve seen them going faster down hills. These things don’t have the traction to stop quickly at those speeds.
3. They ride on the sidewalk.
4. They almost double the areas a vehicle driver must watch when entering an intersection, parking lot, making a turn or changing lanes.
5. They blast through stop signs and red lights.
6. When it suits them, they use left turn lanes.
7. When it suits them, they ride in crosswalks.
8. I have seen three teens on one small e-bike.
9. The e-bikes are motor-powered cycles, so should be licensed & regulated like motor scooters. All laws applying to motor scooters should apply to e-bikes.
I ride a "Class" 1 bike (pedal assist to 20 mph), legal on all bike trails. It's perfect. Infrastructure needs to improve, but I live in Austin which is a very bikable city already.
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I certainly don’t have the answers, but a few things come to mind:
1. Limit horsepower on passenger vehicles & light trucks. Nobody needs more than around 350hp for the street, NOBODY!
2.. Above limit would apply to electric & hybrids as well. 800hp electric cars are not helping the planet. “Track Ready” cars should not be allowed to operate on public streets & highways.
3. Crack down on brake pads that produce dust in enormous amounts. Lexus vehicles make way less dust than German makes. It can & should be done.
4. The size & weight of passenger vehicles & especially light trucks should be reeled in. Every Toby Keith wannabe out there is using a lifted F350, with monster tires as his daily driver. It really has gotten way out of hand.
5. All gasoline powered mowers, trimmers, leaf blowers, etc. should be banned in favor of rechargeable or plug-in electrics.
6. We should immediately restart our nuclear power plant industry. It is our absolute, very best shot at safe, clean, renewable energy. The waste can be safely dealt with.
7. We need a “Robert Moses” type transportation tsar to get mass transit projects done. The absolute folly that is the California High Speed Rail Authority, is a great idea, but NOT if every single decision needs to be litigated in court. For the greater good of the many, a few should be forced out of the way, properly compensated, of course. Robert Moses was hated, but he got the job done and billions of people have benefited over the decades. You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
OH LORDY! Am I going to catch hell now!
1. Limit horsepower on passenger vehicles & light trucks. Nobody needs more than around 350hp for the street, NOBODY!
2.. Above limit would apply to electric & hybrids as well. 800hp electric cars are not helping the planet. “Track Ready” cars should not be allowed to operate on public streets & highways.
3. Crack down on brake pads that produce dust in enormous amounts. Lexus vehicles make way less dust than German makes. It can & should be done.
4. The size & weight of passenger vehicles & especially light trucks should be reeled in. Every Toby Keith wannabe out there is using a lifted F350, with monster tires as his daily driver. It really has gotten way out of hand.
5. All gasoline powered mowers, trimmers, leaf blowers, etc. should be banned in favor of rechargeable or plug-in electrics.
6. We should immediately restart our nuclear power plant industry. It is our absolute, very best shot at safe, clean, renewable energy. The waste can be safely dealt with.
7. We need a “Robert Moses” type transportation tsar to get mass transit projects done. The absolute folly that is the California High Speed Rail Authority, is a great idea, but NOT if every single decision needs to be litigated in court. For the greater good of the many, a few should be forced out of the way, properly compensated, of course. Robert Moses was hated, but he got the job done and billions of people have benefited over the decades. You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
OH LORDY! Am I going to catch hell now!
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Go for it. Just be sure to clean up after yourself when you are done using it.
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I certainly don’t have the answers, but a few things come to mind:
1. Limit horsepower on passenger vehicles & light trucks. Nobody needs more than around 350hp for the street, NOBODY!
2.. Above limit would apply to electric & hybrids as well. 800hp electric cars are not helping the planet. “Track Ready” cars should not be allowed to operate on public streets & highways.
3. Crack down on brake pads that produce dust in enormous amounts. Lexus vehicles make way less dust than German makes. It can & should be done.
4. The size & weight of passenger vehicles & especially light trucks should be reeled in. Every Toby Keith wannabe out there is using a lifted F350, with monster tires as his daily driver. It really has gotten way out of hand.
5. All gasoline powered mowers, trimmers, leaf blowers, etc. should be banned in favor of rechargeable or plug-in electrics.
6. We should immediately restart our nuclear power plant industry. It is our absolute, very best shot at safe, clean, renewable energy. The waste can be safely dealt with.
7. We need a “Robert Moses” type transportation tsar to get mass transit projects done. The absolute folly that is the California High Speed Rail Authority, is a great idea, but NOT if every single decision needs to be litigated in court. For the greater good of the many, a few should be forced out of the way, properly compensated, of course. Robert Moses was hated, but he got the job done and billions of people have benefited over the decades. You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
OH LORDY! Am I going to catch hell now!
1. Limit horsepower on passenger vehicles & light trucks. Nobody needs more than around 350hp for the street, NOBODY!
2.. Above limit would apply to electric & hybrids as well. 800hp electric cars are not helping the planet. “Track Ready” cars should not be allowed to operate on public streets & highways.
3. Crack down on brake pads that produce dust in enormous amounts. Lexus vehicles make way less dust than German makes. It can & should be done.
4. The size & weight of passenger vehicles & especially light trucks should be reeled in. Every Toby Keith wannabe out there is using a lifted F350, with monster tires as his daily driver. It really has gotten way out of hand.
5. All gasoline powered mowers, trimmers, leaf blowers, etc. should be banned in favor of rechargeable or plug-in electrics.
6. We should immediately restart our nuclear power plant industry. It is our absolute, very best shot at safe, clean, renewable energy. The waste can be safely dealt with.
7. We need a “Robert Moses” type transportation tsar to get mass transit projects done. The absolute folly that is the California High Speed Rail Authority, is a great idea, but NOT if every single decision needs to be litigated in court. For the greater good of the many, a few should be forced out of the way, properly compensated, of course. Robert Moses was hated, but he got the job done and billions of people have benefited over the decades. You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
OH LORDY! Am I going to catch hell now!
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I noticed Brabus has an option listed of planting a 1500 trees.
BRABUS Climate Package "PLANT MY TREE"1500 trees planted 50 CO² certificates Gold Standard GS3567 Equivalent to 4200 KG CO² compensation
Yesterday the power went out at the house and I needed to run some errands. I didn't feel like manually operating my garage so I took the ebike and it was great. I also jogged to my kid's summer camp and we took a long walk back home. It was a nice change and maybe I'll try to do it at least once a week.
BRABUS Climate Package "PLANT MY TREE"1500 trees planted 50 CO² certificates Gold Standard GS3567 Equivalent to 4200 KG CO² compensation
Yesterday the power went out at the house and I needed to run some errands. I didn't feel like manually operating my garage so I took the ebike and it was great. I also jogged to my kid's summer camp and we took a long walk back home. It was a nice change and maybe I'll try to do it at least once a week.
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We cannot even think about new mass transit systems, until we get our country on an even keel. When will the thugs figure out that folks stuck for extended periods of time at EV charging stations might be good targets?
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For decades, I traveled to Germany on business. I never needed a car. Fly into Frankfurt or Munich, clear customs and catch the train three floors down, that took me to the main city station. In a few minutes, I was on another train to my destination city, where I took a taxi or jumped on a streetcar. Service was fast, clean, comfortable and utterly relaxing. However, my last trip there was probably 20 years ago and I have no idea what things are like there now.
When people have access to clean, safe, fast, economical public transportation—most of which could be electric and supported by nuclear power plants—many will take it, resulting in far fewer ICE vehicle trips, resulting in much less pollution.
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Again, I have no data to back up my thoughts, but all that brake dust goes somewhere and initially, at least, the smaller particles go into the air we breathe.
For decades, I traveled to Germany on business. I never needed a car. Fly into Frankfurt or Munich, clear customs and catch the train three floors down, that took me to the main city station. In a few minutes, I was on another train to my destination city, where I took a taxi or jumped on a streetcar. Service was fast, clean, comfortable and utterly relaxing. However, my last trip there was probably 20 years ago and I have no idea what things are like there now.
When people have access to clean, safe, fast, economical public transportation—most of which could be electric and supported by nuclear power plants—many will take it, resulting in far fewer ICE vehicle trips, resulting in much less pollution.
For decades, I traveled to Germany on business. I never needed a car. Fly into Frankfurt or Munich, clear customs and catch the train three floors down, that took me to the main city station. In a few minutes, I was on another train to my destination city, where I took a taxi or jumped on a streetcar. Service was fast, clean, comfortable and utterly relaxing. However, my last trip there was probably 20 years ago and I have no idea what things are like there now.
When people have access to clean, safe, fast, economical public transportation—most of which could be electric and supported by nuclear power plants—many will take it, resulting in far fewer ICE vehicle trips, resulting in much less pollution.
If we give in on our cars, they'd make us give up planes, stakes, sex and anything else which is even slightly enjoyable.
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Again, I have no data to back up my thoughts, but all that brake dust goes somewhere and initially, at least, the smaller particles go into the air we breathe.
For decades, I traveled to Germany on business. I never needed a car. Fly into Frankfurt or Munich, clear customs and catch the train three floors down, that took me to the main city station. In a few minutes, I was on another train to my destination city, where I took a taxi or jumped on a streetcar. Service was fast, clean, comfortable and utterly relaxing. However, my last trip there was probably 20 years ago and I have no idea what things are like there now.
When people have access to clean, safe, fast, economical public transportation—most of which could be electric and supported by nuclear power plants—many will take it, resulting in far fewer ICE vehicle trips, resulting in much less pollution.
For decades, I traveled to Germany on business. I never needed a car. Fly into Frankfurt or Munich, clear customs and catch the train three floors down, that took me to the main city station. In a few minutes, I was on another train to my destination city, where I took a taxi or jumped on a streetcar. Service was fast, clean, comfortable and utterly relaxing. However, my last trip there was probably 20 years ago and I have no idea what things are like there now.
When people have access to clean, safe, fast, economical public transportation—most of which could be electric and supported by nuclear power plants—many will take it, resulting in far fewer ICE vehicle trips, resulting in much less pollution.
We do have an off topic section for these types of conversations. Thanks!
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Yes, Wolf, it has gotten off topic, so I will endeavor to get it back on track.
I received my repurchase offer, which is fine with me. If I simply sign it, an appointment will be set up for me to meet with a Sedgwick representative at the dealership of my choice—most likely Fletcher Jones—where the car will be inspected and I will surrender it, in exchange for a check. At this time, I am hoping MB comes across with some incentive money, to entice me to go for a new or CPO MB. Unfortunately, my multiple requests to MBUSA for possible incentives have gone unanswered.
I received my repurchase offer, which is fine with me. If I simply sign it, an appointment will be set up for me to meet with a Sedgwick representative at the dealership of my choice—most likely Fletcher Jones—where the car will be inspected and I will surrender it, in exchange for a check. At this time, I am hoping MB comes across with some incentive money, to entice me to go for a new or CPO MB. Unfortunately, my multiple requests to MBUSA for possible incentives have gone unanswered.
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Well, this thread has taken a few turns, hasn’t it?
I was contacted my Sedgwick a few weeks ago and am still awaiting their “offer” on the “repurchase” of my S580. In the meantime, I have been hoping that MBUSA might cough up some incentive $$$ if I go with another new or CPO MB—as they did when they bought back my 2020 S560–but I’ve heard nothing from them—and I’ve asked! Perhaps with two lemons in a row, they would prefer I take my business elsewhere, which is what I most likely will do anyway, but after 17 new MB’s—all of which were enjoyed by yours truly, with the exception of the current car—it hurts to see them showing me the door.
I have gone round & around looking at alternatives:
Range Rover: Probably too much drama.
CPO S560: Nearly impossible to find equipped as I want, with super low miles.
CPO S650: Too long.
New GLE or GLS: If I have issues with German built MB’s, do I need one from Alabama?
New I7: Not ready to go battery yet.
New X5: Maybe, but would need to order and timing may not work.
New Cayenne, same as above.
New RX350: Maybe.
New GV80: Maybe.
New G90: Probably. Unlike the German brands, they all come loaded, so you just pick your colors and pick it up. Yeah, I know about the dealerships, but the Hyundai USA headquarters is about a 15 minute drive from my home, if that means anything at all.
To be continued…………
I was contacted my Sedgwick a few weeks ago and am still awaiting their “offer” on the “repurchase” of my S580. In the meantime, I have been hoping that MBUSA might cough up some incentive $$$ if I go with another new or CPO MB—as they did when they bought back my 2020 S560–but I’ve heard nothing from them—and I’ve asked! Perhaps with two lemons in a row, they would prefer I take my business elsewhere, which is what I most likely will do anyway, but after 17 new MB’s—all of which were enjoyed by yours truly, with the exception of the current car—it hurts to see them showing me the door.
I have gone round & around looking at alternatives:
Range Rover: Probably too much drama.
CPO S560: Nearly impossible to find equipped as I want, with super low miles.
CPO S650: Too long.
New GLE or GLS: If I have issues with German built MB’s, do I need one from Alabama?
New I7: Not ready to go battery yet.
New X5: Maybe, but would need to order and timing may not work.
New Cayenne, same as above.
New RX350: Maybe.
New GV80: Maybe.
New G90: Probably. Unlike the German brands, they all come loaded, so you just pick your colors and pick it up. Yeah, I know about the dealerships, but the Hyundai USA headquarters is about a 15 minute drive from my home, if that means anything at all.
To be continued…………
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We can't close this thread yet until @Streamliner gets his check and replacement vehicle! We've just been chatting on the sidelines waiting for the final chapter of his story! 😜
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Well, my wife and I are currently driving said car on a 1,000 mile road trip. Hopefully, it will be uneventful, but you never know, right?
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I received my repurchase offer, which is fine with me. If I simply sign it, an appointment will be set up for me to meet with a Sedgwick representative at the dealership of my choice—most likely Fletcher Jones—where the car will be inspected and I will surrender it, in exchange for a check. At this time, I am hoping MB comes across with some incentive money, to entice me to go for a new or CPO MB. Unfortunately, my multiple requests to MBUSA for possible incentives have gone unanswered.
Also, I would shop around for MBs outside of your area if you can’t find a good deal locally. I ended up driving almost 200 miles for my GLE because I was offered a much better deal, which made the trek worth it.
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Stream are you financing or leasing? The days of discounts seem to have returned. It shouldn’t be difficult to find an S580 (or S500) with a discount. Same for the new 7er, both gas and EV 7er’s are sitting on lots and already discounted by me, and the G90 doesn’t sell at all, so I’m sure you could get some cash off there.
I know you also said you’re looking at the GV80, RX, X5, etc, but those seem to be in high demand, so expect less of a discount and maybe even the possibility of a custom order. My local Benz, BMW, and Lexus dealer pretty much have no SUV’s in stock and the lots are looking a bit more empty again, although things may be different in Cali.
I know you also said you’re looking at the GV80, RX, X5, etc, but those seem to be in high demand, so expect less of a discount and maybe even the possibility of a custom order. My local Benz, BMW, and Lexus dealer pretty much have no SUV’s in stock and the lots are looking a bit more empty again, although things may be different in Cali.
