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2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by CSLA
Stream, how visible are these lines? It may just need a clay and polish from a professional detailer. A new windshield is always my biggest fear due to the lack of factory tolerances on the dealer service level.
You’re leasing the car for three years. If it’s tolerable maybe they can apply some customer good will towards your lease payments and you can enjoy a factory silent car.
Unfortunately, it is on the driver’s side and is very noticeable, now that the exterior of the windshield is clean. I’m confident that they can get it replaced properly.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
I have decided to let the dealer assess the scratch and, if feasible, try to polish it out, with the stipulation that if I am not happy with it, they will replace it. They have agreed, so I take it in this next Monday.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Regarding the ride quality of my I7, compared to my previous S Class sedans, I offer the following:
First of all, my I7 xDrive60, with 19” wheels, AWD, 4-wheel steering and the Autobahn Pkg., drives & rides completely different than any S Class I have ever driven. It drives like a BMW. I like it, but I much preferred the ride quality & handling of any of my three W222’s with 18” wheels & Magic Body Control. MBC had the ability to make speed bumps and other road imperfections all but completely disappear. The BMW doesn’t do that at all. MBC was not flawless and did not work like that each & every time, but it worked most of the time and it was very comfortable and very impressive.
My I7 stays virtually flat when going through curves—which is great—but the MBC cars—with the “Curve” setting engaged—leaned into the curves like a motorcycle, which I felt was more comfortable and more impressive.
I much prefer my I7 to the ride quality of my most recent, AirMatic equipped 2020 S560 or the AirMatic equipped W223’s I’ve driven. To say that the I7 drives & rides night & day better than my 2022 S580 with 19” wheels, 4-wheel steering & EABC is an understatement.
Since MB has dropped MBC, I feel that this I7 is as close as I can come in a new car to my W222’s that had it, without moving up to a new Rolls-Royce—which isn’t going to happen.
I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the 7-Series 19” wheels in the flesh. They look SO much better than on the online configurator. The same goes for the Mirror Oak High Gloss Trim. Much nicer in real life.
Went back to the dealer this morning. They reworked the contract to give me the $850.00 BMW Ultimate Care+ Package. This will cover service for 3 years or 36K miles, including brake pads, which may be an issue with this extremely heavy car. I actually did NOT pay for this, but the way the BMW “Build” site works, I showed them why I had expected it to be included and they agreed & made the accommodation.
They were also to give the car a bit of detailing, as the interior glass was filthy, from baking in the summer sun for two months, due to the Stop-Sale. In addition, prior to me seeing the car on Friday morning, someone operated the windshield wipers and possibly the washers, as there were water spots at either end of the windshield. As I drove home the day of delivery, I headed into the lowering sun and I could see what appeared to be an “arc” on the windshield, again from someone running the wipers. I emailed the salesman when I got home and brought this to his attention.
This morning, after they supposedly “detailed” the car, sure enough, you could easily see the arc, as it is a scratch in the windshield. I showed the salesman and this is getting bumped up to management. Looks like a new windshield will be in order. The “detailing” appears to have been an exterior wash, as the rear window is still filthy. I wonder if these guys have any idea who they are dealing with?
I hope they're about to find out! I can't stand dealers anymore.
Regarding the ride quality of my I7, compared to my previous S Class sedans, I offer the following:
First of all, my I7 xDrive60, with 19” wheels, AWD, 4-wheel steering and the Autobahn Pkg., drives & rides completely different than any S Class I have ever driven. It drives like a BMW. I like it, but I much preferred the ride quality & handling of any of my three W222’s with 18” wheels & Magic Body Control. MBC had the ability to make speed bumps and other road imperfections all but completely disappear. The BMW doesn’t do that at all. MBC was not flawless and did not work like that each & every time, but it worked most of the time and it was very comfortable and very impressive.
My I7 stays virtually flat when going through curves—which is great—but the MBC cars—with the “Curve” setting engaged—leaned into the curves like a motorcycle, which I felt was more comfortable and more impressive.
I much prefer my I7 to the ride quality of my most recent, AirMatic equipped 2020 S560 or the AirMatic equipped W223’s I’ve driven. To say that the I7 drives & rides night & day better than my 2022 S580 with 19” wheels, 4-wheel steering & EABC is an understatement.
Since MB has dropped MBC, I feel that this I7 is as close as I can come in a new car to my W222’s that had it, without moving up to a new Rolls-Royce—which isn’t going to happen.
I was pleasantly surprised when I saw the 7-Series 19” wheels in the flesh. They look SO much better than on the online configurator. The same goes for the Mirror Oak High Gloss Trim. Much nicer in real life.
I know you considered the Bentley and Rolls at a certain point of time but I fully understand why you didn't want the brand attention. Shame that there is no new car as comfortable as the Magic Body Control in the W222 yet, although glad to hear this car is an improvement to the W223, at least suspension wise (E-Active body control).
Last edited by W205C43PFL; Oct 16, 2024 at 08:00 AM.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
I know you considered the Bentley and Rolls at a certain point of time but I fully understand why you didn't want the brand attention. Shame that there is no new car as comfortable as the Magic Body Control in the W222 yet, although glad to hear this car is an improvement to the W223, at least suspension wise (E-Active body control).
You know, I find it hard to believe that MB would replace MBC with a system that they were not confident in as being as good or better than MBC. I would bet that EABC has the POTENTIAL of being something spectacular, but it was sent to market without the proper testing & refining it deserved. Hoping for better from EABC—hopefully with a new name—in the future.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by Wolfman
EV’s are easy on the brake system due to the recuperation process. Great side benefit is less brake dust and brake pads that last forever
Yes, the I7 has some sort of system that anticipates how the regeneration should work, depending on the traffic ahead, speed, etc. I believe there are some various options in how it works but I’m not there yet with the learning curve.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
In the few, short days I have been driving my EV, it has thoroughly reinforced my feeling that electric propulsion of passenger vehicles is SO far superior to ICE’s. I understand the anxiety over driving range and available charging locations, but if you can easily charge at home overnight and your daily commute is not too far, it is definitely the way to go. Simply not having to deal with sloppy shifting transmissions is a huge benefit. The absolutely INSTANT torque & acceleration is astonishing and it actually serves to allow me to drive way more conservatively, as I enjoy the amazingly low noise, vibration and harshness of the car. I cannot imagine ever going back to an ICE vehicle as my daily driver. It’s not for everyone—not yet—but the day is coming, the sooner, the better, in my opinion.
You know, I find it hard to believe that MB would replace MBC with a system that they were not confident in as being as good or better than MBC. I would bet that EABC has the POTENTIAL of being something spectacular, but it was sent to market without the proper testing & refining it deserved. Hoping for better from EABC—hopefully with a new name—in the future.
I guess the sad reason being that there were not a lot of takers of the MBC, as people like to buy off the lot and as another forum member mentioned, dealership stock rarely options MBC if at all. They also invested a lot of money on E-ABC starting on the GLE and the free riding assist, I guess they want to spread the cost.
In the few, short days I have been driving my EV, it has thoroughly reinforced my feeling that electric propulsion of passenger vehicles is SO far superior to ICE’s. I understand the anxiety over driving range and available charging locations, but if you can easily charge at home overnight and your daily commute is not too far, it is definitely the way to go. Simply not having to deal with sloppy shifting transmissions is a huge benefit. The absolutely INSTANT torque & acceleration is astonishing and it actually serves to allow me to drive way more conservatively, as I enjoy the amazingly low noise, vibration and harshness of the car. I cannot imagine ever going back to an ICE vehicle as my daily driver. It’s not for everyone—not yet—but the day is coming, the sooner, the better, in my opinion.
As a reference point at the bottom end of the spectrum my wife wanted a small SUV namely an Audi Q3. We ended up with a Kia Niro EV and for the reasons you just cited it is a much more refined automobile.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
I guess the sad reason being that there were not a lot of takers of the MBC, as people like to buy off the lot and as another forum member mentioned, dealership stock rarely options MBC if at all. They also invested a lot of money on E-ABC starting on the GLE and the free riding assist, I guess they want to spread the cost.
Yes, but MB is a premier, luxury auto manufacturer and they should always be willing to offer specialties for the discerning few who are willing to pay for them. As with this Autobahn Pkg. I ordered on my new I7. It is so rare, that before I placed my order, the closest dealer to my Orange County, California home that had one I could test drive was in COLORADO! Yet, BMW made the $3,600.00 option package available to order and I am very happy to have it.
Mercedes-Benz has a tradition of offering magnificent suspension systems, going back to the air suspension in the 600 sedans of the 1970’s. I believe that one of the reasons that it is just about impossible to find a used W222 with MBC, is because their owners are so happy with the cars and are very reluctant to give them up.
@Streamliner you should try driving in B mode, it’s activated by toggling the transmission selector down to drive twice. It’s BMWs one pedal driving mode and I find it much more consistent than the intelligent recuperation mode. Imagine never having to touch the break pedal again! You feel so much more in control.
Yes, but MB is a premier, luxury auto manufacturer and they should always be willing to offer specialties for the discerning few who are willing to pay for them. As with this Autobahn Pkg. I ordered on my new I7. It is so rare, that before I placed my order, the closest dealer to my Orange County, California home that had one I could test drive was in COLORADO! Yet, BMW made the $3,600.00 option package available to order and I am very happy to have it.
Mercedes-Benz has a tradition of offering magnificent suspension systems, going back to the air suspension in the 600 sedans of the 1970’s. I believe that one of the reasons that it is just about impossible to find a used W222 with MBC, is because their owners are so happy with the cars and are very reluctant to give them up.
Yes! I had to fly from LA to San Luis Obispo to get mine. One of one. And it has every other ridiculous option I have never used either like the theater screen or the rear ottoman.
In the few, short days I have been driving my EV, it has thoroughly reinforced my feeling that electric propulsion of passenger vehicles is SO far superior to ICE’s. I understand the anxiety over driving range and available charging locations, but if you can easily charge at home overnight and your daily commute is not too far, it is definitely the way to go. Simply not having to deal with sloppy shifting transmissions is a huge benefit. The absolutely INSTANT torque & acceleration is astonishing and it actually serves to allow me to drive way more conservatively, as I enjoy the amazingly low noise, vibration and harshness of the car. I cannot imagine ever going back to an ICE vehicle as my daily driver. It’s not for everyone—not yet—but the day is coming, the sooner, the better, in my opinion.
Almost** EVERY owner of an ICE car said the opposite, until the "owned' an EV long enough, then they realize how inferior ICE cars are.... I'd never ever consider an ICE car again for my daily, maybe a PHEV, but ICE drivetrains feel so boring and inferior to me now.
Balance is still needed though for most families, so in some cases some families may still need to stick with ICE for now especially if they have 1 car, but if I have 2+ cars, my daily must be an EV. I'd also take the EV on any highway trip as long as the range works, even if it's an "inferior" product luxury-wise like Tesla/Lucid/Rivian compared to another ICE Mbenz/BMW in my garage. You got the luxury option right there - if range was better, I'd get the i7 tomorrow instead of my Tesla but 400 miles epa is my absolute minimum before it becomes useless for any of our regular state-to-state road trips. Interior packaging and space is also superior in any EV. My Tesla Model S can hold more items and cargo than our X5 believe it or not, but surely not more than a GLS/X7. The ride is much more fun, and the full hands-free self-driving which is finally true self-driving now is becoming a priority for me over anything else.
Am VERY interested to hear your thoughts about the highway hands-free self-driving in your BMW. I loved it in our former X7 and have it on the X5 - not as good as Tesla in terms of making decisions, changing lanes and taking exists, and surely doesn't work on city roads like Tesla does, but works 100% of the times for straight highways.
Yes, but MB is a premier, luxury auto manufacturer and they should always be willing to offer specialties for the discerning few who are willing to pay for them. As with this Autobahn Pkg. I ordered on my new I7. It is so rare, that before I placed my order, the closest dealer to my Orange County, California home that had one I could test drive was in COLORADO! Yet, BMW made the $3,600.00 option package available to order and I am very happy to have it.
Mercedes-Benz has a tradition of offering magnificent suspension systems, going back to the air suspension in the 600 sedans of the 1970’s. I believe that one of the reasons that it is just about impossible to find a used W222 with MBC, is because their owners are so happy with the cars and are very reluctant to give them up.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by CSLA
@Streamliner you should try driving in B mode, it’s activated by toggling the transmission selector down to drive twice. It’s BMWs one pedal driving mode and I find it much more consistent than the intelligent recuperation mode. Imagine never having to touch the break pedal again! You feel so much more in control.
I much prefer my I7 to the ride quality of my most recent, AirMatic equipped 2020 S560 or the AirMatic equipped W223’s I’ve driven. To say that the I7 drives & rides night & day better than my 2022 S580 with 19” wheels, 4-wheel steering & EABC is an understatement.
I think this is a little overstated. I don't have an i7, and I haven't driven one with the dynamic handling package, but while I agree the i7 is the best riding car in the segment the difference is not huge. I drove the i7 back to back numerous times with both the airmatic S580 and my own airmatic S560 and the difference is not huge. I would get back into the S560 after driving the i7 and say "man, this really does ride pretty much as well" same with the S580.
These are some of the best riding cars in the world, and honestly you're going to be really pleased with the ride quality of any of them. The ride quality of my S580 wows me every day.
I think this is a little overstated. I don't have an i7, and I haven't driven one with the dynamic handling package, but while I agree the i7 is the best riding car in the segment the difference is not huge. I drove the i7 back to back numerous times with both the airmatic S580 and my own airmatic S560 and the difference is not huge. I would get back into the S560 after driving the i7 and say "man, this really does ride pretty much as well" same with the S580.
These are some of the best riding cars in the world, and honestly you're going to be really pleased with the ride quality of any of them. The ride quality of my S580 wows me every day.
I am honestly curious how the ride is (obviously different price point) of a Maybach (V?)223, what kind of refinement MB made.
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