I drove a new BMW I7 and…….




I copy pasted your sentence to see where it came from and I think I found the thread:
In the same thread, another one said "I had gaskets replaced and I didn't notice any difference in wind noise. I'm thinking its coming from somewhere else and they are working on an actual fix." .
One other user: "Took vehicle in, they drove and compared it with another i7 and said the wind noise was the same"
Another "First thing i noticed while driving my new 24 740 was the wind noise from driver side. So yes it is there"
There are more evidences that rather suggest this being a real issue. I had a 2022 X7 that I rejected on the day of delivery for this same issue. Dealer spent 4 weeks trying all different things to fix it, trying two difference SIBs, and nothing worked. This not new for BMW honestly and I have first hand experience with it with all my car and one car that I rejected. I doubt that the new 7-series would be any different. Just surprised that it has been years now and BMW can't get it right. The best car as far as wind noise insulation I have is the X5, but still less than ideal compared to W222 (not talking about cabin quietness, but wind noise).
I'm not "selectively" choosing anything, I don't have this car I have no horse in this race, just relaying my experience.




One of the posts I copied above are from Jan and at least one or more of the other posts are also related to that SIB in particular.
All my BMWs have really good wind noise insulation in a normal day at 70-80 MPH. The issue is on a windy day, they fail miserably compared to my W222.
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I don't see myself in one; I still detest the front styling and I'm ambivalent about the interior. I didn't feel any itches to pull the trigger unlike the M8 Gran Coupe which it turns out is ridiculously fast and really pegged my hootometer.

I also feel that the iDrive 8+ system is a user interface mess compared to the older iDrive 7 in the M8. Apple CarPlay is also a mess. We are having an iX right now and that wireless CarPlay randomly disconnects, disappears and reappears all while the music continues playing...




I agree that the ID7 is way better than ID8. ID8.5 is a slight improvement though as far as the UI (your iX should be compatible with it it, I believe, for MY24). ID8 to ID8.5 can be done via a OTA for cars with the newer hardware (April 2023 SOP and after for most trims), but NOT all ID8 vehicles can upgrade from ID8 to ID8.5 especially those built before 4/2023.
The Best of Mercedes & AMG
The M8 gave me something to think about. There is some serious fun factor there, but it's sprung tightly, and you notice the jiggle. The seating position is not as low as a Panamera which is helpful for an old man, but obviously lower than this one. Didn't even think to check the tunes; it had the B&W which I have read is not too bad. Overall, I've been itching to get back into something that actually feels like driving a car; love the lux factor here but I think they went too far with the isolation. I suppose I should have said went too far for my taste...





I also feel that the iDrive 8+ system is a user interface mess compared to the older iDrive 7 in the M8. Apple CarPlay is also a mess. We are having an iX right now and that wireless CarPlay randomly disconnects, disappears and reappears all while the music continues playing...
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I know that's an unpopular opinion, but I like to hop in and drive, not troubleshoot devices. Thinking back, the most reliable was a rented Kia Niro EV that worked without issue for a week.
Still digging the looks of the i7s that I see on the street. Maybe we'll snag one for 75% off after a few years, or most likely the next gen.

It is interesting that BMW is using gas platforms for the current i4/5/7 after creating the revolutionary i3 10 years ago. Granted, many ground-up EV platforms are far from perfect so maybe it has proven to be more beneficial. BMW seems to be the best with NVH among all the EVs.




The Gran Coupe is much bigger in the rear making the seats actual seats instead of a place to set grocery bags. My usual methodolgy when checking rear seat comfort is to adjust the front seat exactly as I want it and then get in back. While nothing like the S class it's good enough that I could ride back there for some time without discomfort. Wouldn't want to go long distance but it would be fine for kids and the occasional adults going across town. In the coupe my head touches the roof and a have to splay my legs apart with the calves just barely fitting into the space behind the front seat. The GC is the clear winner for those that need a back seat.
To me the space in front felt the same between the two, but I didn't have much time and there may be a difference an owner of one or the other would notice. Both feel cockpit like compared to the S Class.
Like many cars/brands (I'm looking particularly at you Porsche) the interior really benefits when you get the full leather. Without it, I got the feeling of a finishing that's below the price point; that goes away with the full leather.
If there's a performance difference, I couldn't feel it in car. One thing that is felt is both are a little nervous going down the road but the GC feels slightly less so; could be that extra wheelbase or tuning with that.
Tidbits... you've got the coupe doors on the one which means your left elbow has a place to rest, but you know how those are in tight parking spots for ingress/egress. On the other, your elbow has to be offset forward a little or hang in space. It's a thing taller people notice. To my eye both are fetching but the coupe is the more handsome car.
I'd go Gran Coupe without a second thought for the added utility and because I thought it felt slightly more composed going down the road, but otherwise had the same hooligan factor. They are stiffly suspended and to give that scale the Panamera is stiffer in it's most comfortable setting than the S580 is in sport plus and the M8 is significantly stiffer than the Panamera. It's a very different car from what we're driving here.




The Gran Coupe is much bigger in the rear making the seats actual seats instead of a place to set grocery bags. My usual methodolgy when checking rear seat comfort is to adjust the front seat exactly as I want it and then get in back. While nothing like the S class it's good enough that I could ride back there for some time without discomfort. Wouldn't want to go long distance but it would be fine for kids and the occasional adults going across town. In the coupe my head touches the roof and a have to splay my legs apart with the calves just barely fitting into the space behind the front seat. The GC is the clear winner for those that need a back seat.
To me the space in front felt the same between the two, but I didn't have much time and there may be a difference an owner of one or the other would notice. Both feel cockpit like compared to the S Class.
Like many cars/brands (I'm looking particularly at you Porsche) the interior really benefits when you get the full leather. Without it, I got the feeling of a finishing that's below the price point; that goes away with the full leather.
If there's a performance difference, I couldn't feel it in car. One thing that is felt is both are a little nervous going down the road but the GC feels slightly less so; could be that extra wheelbase or tuning with that.
Tidbits... you've got the coupe doors on the one which means your left elbow has a place to rest, but you know how those are in tight parking spots for ingress/egress. On the other, your elbow has to be offset forward a little or hang in space. It's a thing taller people notice. To my eye both are fetching but the coupe is the more handsome car.
I'd go Gran Coupe without a second thought for the added utility and because I thought it felt slightly more composed going down the road, but otherwise had the same hooligan factor. They are stiffly suspended and to give that scale the Panamera is stiffer in it's most comfortable setting than the S580 is in sport plus and the M8 is significantly stiffer than the Panamera. It's a very different car from what we're driving here.
I wish there would be more sound in the cabin as well and later model years have neutered the exhaust, which makes it worst. That's the same on AMG's as well though. OPF and noise pollution regulations

As for most M-Cars unless everything is set to it's sporty settings besides the suspension (S3, Sports Plus Engine, Sport Steering, Comfort Suspension, DSC OFF 4WD) you don't get enough out of it., We lowered ours with adjustable springs.
You are correct on the Porsche interiors. I was hoping the updated Taycans would get any interior changes but they look pedestrian inside at any price.




The Gran Coupe is much bigger in the rear making the seats actual seats instead of a place to set grocery bags. My usual methodolgy when checking rear seat comfort is to adjust the front seat exactly as I want it and then get in back. While nothing like the S class it's good enough that I could ride back there for some time without discomfort. Wouldn't want to go long distance but it would be fine for kids and the occasional adults going across town. In the coupe my head touches the roof and a have to splay my legs apart with the calves just barely fitting into the space behind the front seat. The GC is the clear winner for those that need a back seat.
To me the space in front felt the same between the two, but I didn't have much time and there may be a difference an owner of one or the other would notice. Both feel cockpit like compared to the S Class.
Like many cars/brands (I'm looking particularly at you Porsche) the interior really benefits when you get the full leather. Without it, I got the feeling of a finishing that's below the price point; that goes away with the full leather.
If there's a performance difference, I couldn't feel it in car. One thing that is felt is both are a little nervous going down the road but the GC feels slightly less so; could be that extra wheelbase or tuning with that.
Tidbits... you've got the coupe doors on the one which means your left elbow has a place to rest, but you know how those are in tight parking spots for ingress/egress. On the other, your elbow has to be offset forward a little or hang in space. It's a thing taller people notice. To my eye both are fetching but the coupe is the more handsome car.
I'd go Gran Coupe without a second thought for the added utility and because I thought it felt slightly more composed going down the road, but otherwise had the same hooligan factor. They are stiffly suspended and to give that scale the Panamera is stiffer in it's most comfortable setting than the S580 is in sport plus and the M8 is significantly stiffer than the Panamera. It's a very different car from what we're driving here.
I wish there would be more sound in the cabin as well and later model years have neutered the exhaust, which makes it worst. That's the same on AMG's as well though. OPF and noise pollution regulations

As for most M-Cars unless everything is set to it's sporty settings besides the suspension (S3, Sports Plus Engine, Sport Steering, Comfort Suspension, DSC OFF 4WD) you don't get enough out of it., We lowered ours with adjustable springs.
You are correct on the Porsche interiors. I was hoping the updated Taycans would get any interior changes but they look pedestrian inside at any price.
The weight does nothing to sway me, the GC slots between the coupe and the vert and they all go north of 2 tons and feel heavy although I say this having never drove the vert; with it being the heaviest of the bunch I'm assuming with it.
I forgot about the exhaust, it's but the most stirring I've heard; I could see myself making a change there.
I've not driven the Alpina.
I wish there would be more sound in the cabin as well and later model years have neutered the exhaust, which makes it worst. That's the same on AMG's as well though. OPF and noise pollution regulations

As for most M-Cars unless everything is set to it's sporty settings besides the suspension (S3, Sports Plus Engine, Sport Steering, Comfort Suspension, DSC OFF 4WD) you don't get enough out of it., We lowered ours with adjustable springs.
You are correct on the Porsche interiors. I was hoping the updated Taycans would get any interior changes but they look pedestrian inside at any price.
We picked up a M8 convertible and absolutely love it. Build quality is stellar and it has the looks.




If something happened to my two V8s in my Garage tonight would use the Insurance money and pickup an 8-series and Porsche Cayenne S Coupe with V8s SOFORT!
Can't just rely on one V8 in the stable like the $200K Cayenne Coupe Turbo GT...need backups before the end of times.




They are also quick. Still beats any AMG AFAIK. While BMW can easily be faulted for having similar interior layouts, they are very well build cars.
I know that's an unpopular opinion, but I like to hop in and drive, not troubleshoot devices. Thinking back, the most reliable was a rented Kia Niro EV that worked without issue for a week.
Still digging the looks of the i7s that I see on the street. Maybe we'll snag one for 75% off after a few years, or most likely the next gen.

It is interesting that BMW is using gas platforms for the current i4/5/7 after creating the revolutionary i3 10 years ago. Granted, many ground-up EV platforms are far from perfect so maybe it has proven to be more beneficial. BMW seems to be the best with NVH among all the EVs.








