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The new Maybach SL should be an affront to every Mercedes-Benz enthusiast and to every person of German heritage. Where have the tasteful representations of traditional German engineering and the understated elegance of form following function gone to? Honestly, whoever greenlighted this monstrosity needs to be fired immediately. I’d be ashamed to even ride in something like this. You have to wonder if any MB workers who were assembling this car spoke their minds to management, because someone should have. This car is the “poster child” for how far off track MB’s priorities have gone. Stuttgart: WE HAVE A PROBLEM!
The Maybach SL all those emblems are an option. They aren’t standard. You can get the car without that.
Originally Posted by Wolfman
I think you miss my point altogether. I am primarily correcting your incorrect sales stats/conclusions.
Am also a BMW fan and have more BMW ownership experience. No MB fan viewpoint here.
Sales are below expectation for the S-Class and the 7 Series.
No need for additional anecdotal thoughts. The numbers and discounts speak for themselves
I am really happy that you like your S580. It’s a gorgeous car and I wish you many happy miles!
They are not my sales numbers, they are the sales numbers lol. Sales numbers don’t lie, Mercedes didn’t cut production because everything is going great lol. 7 series is outselling the S class that’s a fact, that hardly ever has happened historically. Also a fact.
The Maybach SL all those emblems are an option. They aren’t standard. You can get the car without that.
They are not my sales numbers, they are the sales numbers lol. Sales numbers don’t lie, Mercedes didn’t cut production because everything is going great lol. 7 series is outselling the S class that’s a fact, that hardly ever has happened historically. Also a fact.
Just repeating wrong information doesn't make it right. We have already got through all the details and the site you and I have been using for sales stats have recognized that too. They already have the page setup for the i7; it's just not populated yet As for everything else going great, the BMW 7 series sales in 2024 will be well below 2023. It's not the most discounted BMW model for a reason. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/bmw-i7-sales-figures/
I hope this willl conclude the ongoing conversation about sales of ICE vs ICE models in the future.
Just repeating wrong information doesn't make it right. We have already got through all the details and the site you and I have been using for sales stats have recognized that too. They already have the page setup for the i7; it's just not populated yet As for everything else going great, the BMW 7 series sales in 2024 will be well below 2023. It's not the most discounted BMW model for a reason. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/bmw-i7-sales-figures/
I hope this willl conclude the ongoing conversation about sales of ICE vs ICE models in the future.
Repeat - Hey, guys - (and dolls)...
Where does all this get anybody? What award does the loudest shouter win?
Sales, schmales.
My 7 series experience left a bad taste in my mouth - have had two great S class cars since.
We vote for what we like when we buy the car we decide to buy. Beyond that, nothing matters.
The rest is, at best, persiflage; at worst, diatribe.
The new Maybach SL should be an affront to every Mercedes-Benz enthusiast and to every person of German heritage. Where have the tasteful representations of traditional German engineering and the understated elegance of form following function gone to? Honestly, whoever greenlighted this monstrosity needs to be fired immediately. I’d be ashamed to even ride in something like this. You have to wonder if any MB workers who were assembling this car spoke their minds to management, because someone should have. This car is the “poster child” for how far off track MB’s priorities have gone. Stuttgart: WE HAVE A PROBLEM!
A bit off-topic, but since this is a G70 7er thread, I might as well air out one of my issues with its design; it’s following a trend of BMW’s recent “half-redesigns” (of which they have a surprisingly long history of).
One early example some might be aware of is with the E28 5er, which saw BMW unable to redesign completely compare to the E12, but rather than do a traditional “evolution” of the vehicle, they decided to split the difference and do a “half-redesign” by essentially porting the E12 bodyshell onto a brand new/different architecture. They would do the opposite for the E34, which saw them drop an entirely new bodyshell onto an upgraded/modernized employment of the E28. Only with the E39 did BMW start entirely from scratch and then did a traditional “evolution” of it into the E60.
The 7er received its first “half-redesign” with the G11/G12, which featured an entirely new architecture, but basically ported over the F01/F02 bodyshell. The other early CLAR-LG and CLAR-LK vehicles (G01, G30, and G14/G15G16) were given “half-redesigns” in the same way, with the 8er using somewhat altered prior F12 6er bodyshells. Starting with the X5, all the other vehicles getting moved onto CLAR-LG and CLAR-LK got ground-up complete redesigns (X5, 3er, etc.)
The current 7er features a new bodyshell on an upgraded employment of the previous 7er CLAR-LG platform (CLAR-LG WE/II), since one “half-redesign” is usually followed by another. Meanwhile, the W223 S-Klasse is a completely redesigned to the W222, itself a traditional “evolution” of the W221.
Some would say that none of this really matters, but I much prefer to see manufacturers either start from scratch with new generations or properly evolve the previous model. I feel like splitting the difference by only switching out half of the car is a compromise that isn’t ideal.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by Times Two
A bit off-topic, but since this is a G70 7er thread, I might as well air out one of my issues with its design; it’s following a trend of BMW’s recent “half-redesigns” (of which they have a surprisingly long history of).
One early example some might be aware of is with the E28 5er, which saw BMW unable to redesign completely compare to the E12, but rather than do a traditional “evolution” of the vehicle, they decided to split the difference and do a “half-redesign” by essentially porting the E12 bodyshell onto a brand new/different architecture. They would do the opposite for the E34, which saw them drop an entirely new bodyshell onto an upgraded/modernized employment of the E28. Only with the E39 did BMW start entirely from scratch and then did a traditional “evolution” of it into the E60.
The 7er received its first “half-redesign” with the G11/G12, which featured an entirely new architecture, but basically ported over the F01/F02 bodyshell. The other early CLAR-LG and CLAR-LK vehicles (G01, G30, and G14/G15G16) were given “half-redesigns” in the same way, with the 8er using somewhat altered prior F12 6er bodyshells. Starting with the X5, all the other vehicles getting moved onto CLAR-LG and CLAR-LK got ground-up complete redesigns (X5, 3er, etc.)
The current 7er features a new bodyshell on an upgraded employment of the previous 7er CLAR-LG platform (CLAR-LG WE/II), since one “half-redesign” is usually followed by another. Meanwhile, the W223 S-Klasse is a completely redesigned to the W222, itself a traditional “evolution” of the W221.
Some would say that none of this really matters, but I much prefer to see manufacturers either start from scratch with new generations or properly evolve the previous model. I feel like splitting the difference by only switching out half of the car is a compromise that isn’t ideal.
The new Maybach SL should be an affront to every Mercedes-Benz enthusiast and to every person of German heritage. Where have the tasteful representations of traditional German engineering and the understated elegance of form following function gone to? Honestly, whoever greenlighted this monstrosity needs to be fired immediately. I’d be ashamed to even ride in something like this. You have to wonder if any MB workers who were assembling this car spoke their minds to management, because someone should have. This car is the “poster child” for how far off track MB’s priorities have gone. Stuttgart: WE HAVE A PROBLEM!
What's funny to me is, I wouldn't even know where to drive a car like this. I guess one parks it at the Four Seasons so everyone can look at it?
Location dependent I'd guess: With Monaco there isn't that much parking up front at the casino and the few other places an attention ***** would want to be seen; and this one wouldn't make the cut on the average day. In Vegas and Dubai you've got a lot of hardware but a lot more places to park it, so I'd guess it often ends up in front. Anyhow, you get the idea; Maybach is more like the nice stuff at Macy's than a true boutique item.
The 7er has always been somewhat of a tougher sell for BMW due to BMW’s reputation being very driver-focused and not all that luxurious (before the 1980s).
The original 7er wasn’t even really an original car, but rather an evolution of the E3 New Six saloon/sedan, and not very competitive against the W116. The W126 then crushed any chance it had at seriously gaining ground in that segment. The only time BMW really went on the offensive against the S-Klasse (at least successfully) was with the E32, arguably that best 7er of them all. With technology a generation ahead, a V12 engine, and the right equipment to challenge the new XJ40 and LS/Celsior, the 7er really started making inroads. However, I feel like the 7er has been largely playing catch-up since the E38, and it did not help that the A8 (which saw Audi going the offensive with a whole new car for that segment) stole more 7er buyers than S-Klasse buyers. This isn’t even mentioning its back-and-forth relationship with the 5er (siblings during the E34 era(?), then not related during the E39/E60 era, then full siblings during the F10 era, then half-siblings since the G30 era) which has probably made some buyers think it was too much or not enough like the 5er; the 7er just isn’t all that sporty. Where the 3er and 5er have traditionally put up good fights against their Mercedes-Benz counterparts sales-wise, the 7er has usually fallen behind.
Yes, I believe that I posted in this forum, right after the new 7 Series debuted, that I did not like the “cut glass” looking controls or the faceted lighting strip across the dash. These features are not classic German “form follows function”design, especially on The Ultimate Driving Machine. But as I just mentioned, the way the car drives, relegates those things to the “No Big Deal” file. As for the exterior design, it has definitely grown on me. That and the fact that I believe I have now seen only TWO of the “Luxury” trim models on the road, compared to probably 50 M-Sport models and not one in plain, old silver, so I’m reasonably thrilled about having a very unique looking car. Anyway, my decision on taking delivery will be made after an extended test drive—whenever that gets around to happening.
OP is currently undecided given the potential deal-breaker poor HVAC performance issue plus the stop sale plus now the MY25 vehicles are out and the one ordered is a MY24.
My car, along with something like 400,000 others, of various makes, is part of a world wide recall and a “Stop Sale,” due to a faulty brake component. I may see it in the next two weeks or so, at least that’s what the dealer is saying.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by Times Two
The 7er has always been somewhat of a tougher sell for BMW due to BMW’s reputation being very driver-focused and not all that luxurious (before the 1980s).
The original 7er wasn’t even really an original car, but rather an evolution of the E3 New Six saloon/sedan, and not very competitive against the W116. The W126 then crushed any chance it had at seriously gaining ground in that segment. The only time BMW really went on the offensive against the S-Klasse (at least successfully) was with the E32, arguably that best 7er of them all. With technology a generation ahead, a V12 engine, and the right equipment to challenge the new XJ40 and LS/Celsior, the 7er really started making inroads. However, I feel like the 7er has been largely playing catch-up since the E38, and it did not help that the A8 (which saw Audi going the offensive with a whole new car for that segment) stole more 7er buyers than S-Klasse buyers. This isn’t even mentioning its back-and-forth relationship with the 5er (siblings during the E34 era(?), then not related during the E39/E60 era, then full siblings during the F10 era, then half-siblings since the G30 era) which has probably made some buyers think it was too much or not enough like the 5er; the 7er just isn’t all that sporty. Where the 3er and 5er have traditionally put up good fights against their Mercedes-Benz counterparts sales-wise, the 7er has usually fallen behind.
OK, I will have to ask: WHY must some people insist on saying 7er, 5er, etc.? Doesn’t it suffice to say “I drove a new 7 or I saw a new 5 Series?” I guess this is some sort of ancient “BMW SPEAK,” but I think it’s a bit superfluous in these days of internet chat sites. Why waste key strokes? Everyone knows what a BMW 3, 5, 7, etc. is without adding an ER to the number. Am I missing something?
OK, I will have to ask: WHY must some people insist on saying 7er, 5er, etc.? Doesn’t it suffice to say “I drove a new 7 or I saw a new 5 Series?” I guess this is some sort of ancient “BMW SPEAK,” but I think it’s a bit superfluous in these days of internet chat sites. Why waste key strokes? Everyone knows what a BMW 3, 5, 7, etc. is without adding an ER to the number. Am I missing something?
The person might be German or reads a lot of German BMW forums. They add the -er in Germany to make it a noun. For example LEHREN (to teach) and LEHRER (teacher).
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by Streamliner
OK, I will have to ask: WHY must some people insist on saying 7er, 5er, etc.? Doesn’t it suffice to say “I drove a new 7 or I saw a new 5 Series?” I guess this is some sort of ancient “BMW SPEAK,” but I think it’s a bit superfluous in these days of internet chat sites. Why waste key strokes? Everyone knows what a BMW 3, 5, 7, etc. is without adding an ER to the number. Am I missing something?
Originally Posted by wildta
The person might be German or reads a lot of German BMW forums. They add the -er in Germany to make it a noun. For example LEHREN (to teach) and LEHRER (teacher).
Do they do the same with other makes & models of vehicles? Do they say Ser or SLer? Just curious, as I have only ever seen this with regards to BMW’s. It actually reminds me of the Asian woman who runs the dry cleaning store who says “that will be six seventy-fiver.”
Last edited by Streamliner; Sep 4, 2024 at 11:43 PM.
Do they do the same with other makes & models of vehicles? Do they say Ser or SLer? Just curious, as I have only ever seen this with regards to BMW’s. It actually reminds me of the Asian woman who runs the dry cleaning store who says “that will be six seventy-fiver.”
Asian with a bit of hidden German heritage. 😂
I feel like it's more common with numbers than letters but I think using SLer wouldn't be out of the ordinary. Maybe a native German speakers will chime in... Or your dry cleaning attendant.
Just returning from a lovely trip in the i7 from LA to Carmel/Pebble Beach and back. I will say the AC performed flawlessly and I had to consistently set it to “very low” so I didn’t get too cold even at 72 degrees.
The car is dangerous to drive long distances because you’re at risk of falling asleep with the whisper quiet noise levels and coddling massage seats. Really impressed and had no issues charging at destined electrify America chargers.
Just returning from a lovely trip in the i7 from LA to Carmel/Pebble Beach and back. I will say the AC performed flawlessly and I had to consistently set it to “very low” so I didn’t get too cold even at 72 degrees.
The car is dangerous to drive long distances because you’re at risk of falling asleep with the whisper quiet noise levels and coddling massage seats. Really impressed and had no issues charging at destined electrify America chargers.
OP is concerned with the perfornance after the car is baking in the California sun and how fast it cools the cabin.
Do they do the same with other makes & models of vehicles? Do they say Ser or SLer? Just curious, as I have only ever seen this with regards to BMW’s. It actually reminds me of the Asian woman who runs the dry cleaning store who says “that will be six seventy-fiver.”
5er does seem to roll of the tongue better than 3er, 7er etc. Probably just a nickname that stuck over the years. Just like Bimmer, Beemer (which you see misused a lot) etc. I've never used them, but a lot of people do.
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