A well deserved review
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A well deserved review
This was a well-written review and called out what is now a very very long thread on this board.
https://driving.ca/reviews/road-test...nz-s-580e-phev
https://driving.ca/reviews/road-test...nz-s-580e-phev
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I enjoy driving it as much as I did my Panamera (doesn't quite have the umph the Pannie did) but I love the tech in it so much more than the Porsche.
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Got lonely again huh?
Here's a well deserved review of your A8:
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/34631...udi-a8-review/
5.9/10.
S580 review from the same source:
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/51503...-class-review/
9.7/10
Here's a well deserved review of your A8:
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/34631...udi-a8-review/
5.9/10.
S580 review from the same source:
https://www.motor1.com/reviews/51503...-class-review/
9.7/10
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I want to drive a 750e to see if the B58 I6, which is a smoother engine than the MB I6, feels better. It doesn't have the S580e's range though (35 EV only vs 55).
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Why doesn't Mercedes just make an unchanging bulletproof G-Class sedan; a box on wheels made of granite and concrete, and hydraulic technology borrowed from a kuboto and a panzer tank.
A car that can be exported to the 3rd world to be used as a taxi in a couple decades to come.
Make all the government mandated stupid bull**** easy to remove/replace/disable. A total rock of a car. Indestructible in nature, will never leave you stranded.
Make a diesel variant that will run on vegetable oil, or diced dolphin babies. Use bulletproof glass for the headlights, and leather from special super mercedes cows that have skin so thick you can make tires out of them.
Make it ugly as all ****; style it after a potato. In fact take all inspiration from a potato. Make a potato in car form, not these stupid thorny roses that look pretty for like three days before beginning to rot.
A car that can be exported to the 3rd world to be used as a taxi in a couple decades to come.
Make all the government mandated stupid bull**** easy to remove/replace/disable. A total rock of a car. Indestructible in nature, will never leave you stranded.
Make a diesel variant that will run on vegetable oil, or diced dolphin babies. Use bulletproof glass for the headlights, and leather from special super mercedes cows that have skin so thick you can make tires out of them.
Make it ugly as all ****; style it after a potato. In fact take all inspiration from a potato. Make a potato in car form, not these stupid thorny roses that look pretty for like three days before beginning to rot.
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This was a well-written review and called out what is now a very very long thread on this board.
https://driving.ca/reviews/road-test...nz-s-580e-phev
https://driving.ca/reviews/road-test...nz-s-580e-phev
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Well, when you have the vehicle in EV only mode, you have the weight of the transmission and the powered off engine putting extra load on the motors, when you have the vehicle in ICE mode, you have the weight of the battery and the electric motors. There is no way around it... yet.
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Well, when you have the vehicle in EV only mode, you have the weight of the transmission and the powered off engine putting extra load on the motors, when you have the vehicle in ICE mode, you have the weight of the battery and the electric motors. There is no way around it... yet.
Honestly as much as I hate CVTs, I think the difference is the CVT, it makes the car feel less different under gas power than it does under EV power. In something like the S580e where you have a traditional transmission all of a sudden you're shifting under ICE power.
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For an example, my Pacifica PHEV feels much better in that transition than the S580es I've driven. It absolutely can be done better.
Honestly as much as I hate CVTs, I think the difference is the CVT, it makes the car feel less different under gas power than it does under EV power. In something like the S580e where you have a traditional transmission all of a sudden you're shifting under ICE power.
Honestly as much as I hate CVTs, I think the difference is the CVT, it makes the car feel less different under gas power than it does under EV power. In something like the S580e where you have a traditional transmission all of a sudden you're shifting under ICE power.
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This review—which seems aimed at being a general W223 review—seems a bit odd, choosing the S580e, a model that has not sold well at all, compared to the straight ICE models. There was so much to criticize about the propulsion system that the reviewer didn’t get deep enough into a lot of the basic issues with the cars. Too bad.
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MB is too focused on the E Performance stuff, the first product being the GT 63 S E Performance as you know the electric motor and the engine couldn't communicate properly to each other, there is a huge delay and jerk. I heard there were many improvements in the S 63 E Performance, once MB is done fine tuning the E Performance stuff maybe just maybe they will finally work on the regular Mercedes-Benz hybrid vehicles.
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This review—which seems aimed at being a general W223 review—seems a bit odd, choosing the S580e, a model that has not sold well at all, compared to the straight ICE models. There was so much to criticize about the propulsion system that the reviewer didn’t get deep enough into a lot of the basic issues with the cars. Too bad.
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The customer service is just as awful. I submitted a buyback case two weeks ago and was told I'd be contacted by a case manager within 2 business days. It's been two weeks. I called twice to complain and still my case hasn't been assigned in spite of "escalations". Once I'm done with this piece of trash, I'm never touching Mercedes again with a 10-foot pole. It's dead to me.
My friend with a W222 560 and AMG GT is constantly making fun of me, his cars are perfect and absolutely issue free. I tell him to enjoy and drive them into the ground because new cars are absolute trash.
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After my experience with the S580, I couldn't agree with you more. The brand is all but dead. They invested heavily in going electric and cut back everywhere else, first and foremost where Mercedes has always shined - coach building. The interior of my $153k car looks and feels like it's been put together by a crew of wild monkeys. There's no surface I can touch that doesn't squeak, there are constant rattles, my car has been to the dealer 6 times in the past year. Rattling center console, rattling overhead console, creaking and squeaking seats they haven't been able to fix after three tries. I've had every car as a loaner - GLE, C, GLA, GLB, E (twice). They were all brand new cars and they were all filled with rattling and buzzing cheap plastic.
The customer service is just as awful. I submitted a buyback case two weeks ago and was told I'd be contacted by a case manager within 2 business days. It's been two weeks. I called twice to complain and still my case hasn't been assigned in spite of "escalations". Once I'm done with this piece of trash, I'm never touching Mercedes again with a 10-foot pole. It's dead to me.
My friend with a W222 560 and AMG GT is constantly making fun of me, his cars are perfect and absolutely issue free. I tell him to enjoy and drive them into the ground because new cars are absolute trash.
The customer service is just as awful. I submitted a buyback case two weeks ago and was told I'd be contacted by a case manager within 2 business days. It's been two weeks. I called twice to complain and still my case hasn't been assigned in spite of "escalations". Once I'm done with this piece of trash, I'm never touching Mercedes again with a 10-foot pole. It's dead to me.
My friend with a W222 560 and AMG GT is constantly making fun of me, his cars are perfect and absolutely issue free. I tell him to enjoy and drive them into the ground because new cars are absolute trash.
That said, Mercedes themselves say they are slowing down their EV strategy and will be developing more ICE vehicles, so hopefully when the focus is back on ICE, things might get better?
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What I said wasn't without basis, I have several friends that have a W222, they all have a squeaking issue. I am still glad you don't have this issue though, hopefully you are not the only one not having squeaking issue when pressing on the trims.
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Just don't assume that this is an issue that everybody has...mine is more solid than my Lexus LS460s were as a comparison
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After my experience with the S580, I couldn't agree with you more. The brand is all but dead. They invested heavily in going electric and cut back everywhere else, first and foremost where Mercedes has always shined - coach building. The interior of my $153k car looks and feels like it's been put together by a crew of wild monkeys. There's no surface I can touch that doesn't squeak, there are constant rattles, my car has been to the dealer 6 times in the past year. Rattling center console, rattling overhead console, creaking and squeaking seats they haven't been able to fix after three tries. I've had every car as a loaner - GLE, C, GLA, GLB, E (twice). They were all brand new cars and they were all filled with rattling and buzzing cheap plastic.
The customer service is just as awful. I submitted a buyback case two weeks ago and was told I'd be contacted by a case manager within 2 business days. It's been two weeks. I called twice to complain and still my case hasn't been assigned in spite of "escalations". Once I'm done with this piece of trash, I'm never touching Mercedes again with a 10-foot pole. It's dead to me.
My friend with a W222 560 and AMG GT is constantly making fun of me, his cars are perfect and absolutely issue free. I tell him to enjoy and drive them into the ground because new cars are absolute trash.
The customer service is just as awful. I submitted a buyback case two weeks ago and was told I'd be contacted by a case manager within 2 business days. It's been two weeks. I called twice to complain and still my case hasn't been assigned in spite of "escalations". Once I'm done with this piece of trash, I'm never touching Mercedes again with a 10-foot pole. It's dead to me.
My friend with a W222 560 and AMG GT is constantly making fun of me, his cars are perfect and absolutely issue free. I tell him to enjoy and drive them into the ground because new cars are absolute trash.
