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2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by S_W222
I would not tint the sunroof, and that's why I did for both of my current BMWs. I am not quite sure about the new 7 specifically, but all other BMWs with the "Sky Lounge" (aka built-in LED in glass) sunroof had issues with tinting. For some reason tint seems to cause extra heat stress within the glass that would then crack. BMW are notorious for sunroof crack issues anyway, and you will find a good number of reports specifically on vehicle with the Sky Lounge package after a couple of years for each gen on forums (cracks on it's own, and mostly the tinted ones). So I'd think twice before adding ting to the sunroof. That is the same reason that both of my BMWs with the Sky Lounge are tinted everywhere except the sunroof (where I actually found myself need it the most). Luckily both have an automatic retractable liner, but I prefer to enjoy some lights if I can reflect the heat. If I order another BMW, I'd remove the Sky Lounge option only so I can tint the sunroof without cracking issues (but in most cases the Sky Lounge is bundles with other package).
I never open the screen, let alone the Panorama roof on my S560. On the BMW, if I find it too hot, I’ll line the underside with tin foil and close the screen, never to open it again. I hate glass roofs and sincerely hope that this ridiculous fad will soon die out. I would order and actually pay extra for a solid, steel roof if I could.
Yep, don't use a reflective material. Outside shattered glass syndrome you've also got problems with leaks and it's an expensive fix. I don't think you're going to have issues though, the car moves a lot of air and the interior can be cooled while you're walking across a lot using the app or on a schedule. You can also one-off a cooling cycle when you park on a case by case basis.
Many people like sunroofs, and it's hardly a fad. You're in Cali, you have this stuff called heat. Travel up I-5 to the other end of the West Coast, and you'll find all kinds of people that only know hot because they experienced it somewhere else, or saw pictures of it on the internet. They like the extra light coming into the car. They've always liked it from the first sunroof, they're going to keep on liking it.
All that said: I'm 100% in agreement that it should be a selectable option.
Yep, don't use a reflective material. Outside shattered glass syndrome you've also got problems with leaks and it's an expensive fix. I don't think you're going to have issues though, the car moves a lot of air and the interior can be cooled while you're walking across a lot using the app or on a schedule. You can also one-off a cooling cycle when you park on a case by case basis.
Many people like sunroofs, and it's hardly a fad. You're in Cali, you have this stuff called heat. Travel up I-5 to the other end of the West Coast, and you'll find all kinds of people that only know hot because they experienced it somewhere else, or saw pictures of it on the internet. They like the extra light coming into the car. They've always liked it from the first sunroof, they're going to keep on liking it.
All that said: I'm 100% in agreement that it should be a selectable option.
It can be two sides, so up for debate I guess.
I want to state a advantage of having a sunroof, depending on the type of vehicle, opening windows at certain speeds there will be lots of wind noise and even buffeting so to get some sunlight from the top and/or fresh air (other than using climate control of course) is a plus.
Disadvantage I can think of is the sunroof cuts into headroom and the other is it might be less rigid. Last but not least is that is another entrance for sunlight and therefore heat, the sunblind can only do so much compared to if the roof didn't have a cut-out and glass in the first place.
Yes, I got the Climate Comfort Glass, again thanks to you. I know it’s only April, but have you experienced any excessive heat coming through the glass roof, as some G70 owners have complained about? Why BMW doesn’t provide a heavier sunshade, as MB does, is beyond me. As for the dealer down the street, I don’t want to get on their bad side, as I may need their service department. Thanks again for your assistance in helping me navigate the unfamiliar BMW dealership game. It is much appreciated.
It’s my pleasure, happy to help especially after the years of assistance you’ve given everyone here.
My tint guy refused to tint the Panoramic Sky Lounge Roof due to the electronic wiring. He is adamant that there’s already a layer of film on it as well. I have not noticed any excessive heat.
It’s my pleasure, happy to help especially after the years of assistance you’ve given everyone here.
My tint guy refused to tint the Panoramic Sky Lounge Roof due to the electronic wiring. He is adamant that there’s already a layer of film on it as well. I have not noticed any excessive heat.
Not really electronics, but folks believe that there is a film and soft layer for the LEDs where the light travels through that will be damaged. In all cases, that's not the issue, it's the crack that occurs when heat accumulates in the Sky Lounge that has grooves (more like etching to pick up the LED color that travels through it ) and already prone to cracks. My SUVs have the retractable cover so I just use that even though I live the light to come into the cabin even on hot days as long as I can tint the sunroof, but I can't in this case.
The one feature I really LOVED in my W222 was the Magic Sky Control. I allows some blue light when on, and turns to somewhat transparent when off on cooler day... Just perfect!
I never open the screen, let alone the Panorama roof on my S560. On the BMW, if I find it too hot, I’ll line the underside with tin foil and close the screen, never to open it again. I hate glass roofs and sincerely hope that this ridiculous fad will soon die out. I would order and actually pay extra for a solid, steel roof if I could.
Sure, your choice, but BMW clearly recommends against tinting or lining the Sky Lounge with anything, and there are some reports of roof cracks in that case. You really don't want to pay for that expensive replacement out of pocket. It won't be covered by your warranty if anything happens with evidences of tint applied to it. If you have to do something about it,
The new 7 roof glass is already showing some issues even without tinting, so I'd recommend u leave it alone and use the sun blind. Good luck. U can find a few reports of bubbling too out of no where (and there is already several reports about it that u can already find for a new a car like this), and the same for iX. I think that you can "de-select" the sky-lounge if you are concerned about it.
If I gave the impression that people should like sunroofs, I apologize, I was only saying they're way beyond a fad at this point, and that many people like them.
Anyone is of course free to like whatever they like: I personally enjoy the extra light but not the air; in the 580 the shade often went back and forth, but I never once opened the glass for air.
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If I gave the impression that people should like sunroofs, I apologize, I was only saying they're way beyond a fad at this point, and that many people like them.
Anyone is of course free to like whatever they like: I personally enjoy the extra light but not the air; in the 580 the shade often went back and forth, but I never once opened the glass for air.
Same here. I don't recall that I've ever in my entire life opened the moonroof on any of my cars, except 1-2 times during the lifetime of each of my cars which was when I wanted to grease it and check the water drain lines. My OCD would kick off like crazy if I open the sunroof due to dust, lol.
It makes me wonder if there is an exterior tint that can be applied to the sunroof glass to reduce the thermal heat from the outside instead of the inside, and thus reducing the thermal load to the glass since it would be on the outside. Especially if you don't care about the sunroof anyway.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by S_W222
Sure, your choice, but BMW clearly recommends against tinting or lining the Sky Lounge with anything, and there are some reports of roof cracks in that case. You really don't want to pay for that expensive replacement out of pocket. It won't be covered by your warranty if anything happens with evidences of tint applied to it. If you have to do something about it,
The new 7 roof glass is already showing some issues even without tinting, so I'd recommend u leave it alone and use the sun blind. Good luck. U can find a few reports of bubbling too out of no where (and there is already several reports about it that u can already find for a new a car like this), and the same for iX. I think that you can "de-select" the sky-lounge if you are concerned about it.
You can opt for the regular glass roof vs the sky lounge. I was not aware the glass was different, I figured the lines were kind of like defroster lines…
For me, I hardly ever leave the shade open, but every once in a while I like opening the glass. So having the glass be a piece that doesn’t open is a total waste for me.
I used to avoid them like the plague because I had a couple leakers. Actually, one leaking sunroof, one leaky T-top, and one leaky roof marker light. In any event wasn't fond of holes in the roof; been a long time since, so I've relented. However you slice it, I still agree with Stream, people usually have a preference with sunroofs and it should be an individual option.
Yes, I said de-select cause I think the Sky Lounge option is standard on the 7 at least for the 60 trim for sure. So I doubt you’ll get any reduction in MSRP, and am note sure you can select the regular glass anyway. Personally I’d still keep the Sky Lounge unless I really really need to apply tint but I don’t live in CA or TX, so no tint on the roof of my BMWs worked fine.
The only pic I have of the Sky Lounge on my car. I really don’t find it offensive at all. And as a SoCal resident, I have not experienced any excessive heat at least with the 356 Climate Comfort Glass Option.
I used to avoid them like the plague because I had a couple leakers. Actually, one leaking sunroof, one leaky T-top, and one leaky roof marker light. In any event wasn't fond of holes in the roof; been a long time since, so I've relented. However you slice it, I still agree with Stream, people usually have a preference with sunroofs and it should be an individual option.
The only time I have ever had one leak was on a really old car because the drains were clogged, otherwise I have never had any problems.
I think it’s a manufacturing reality. More people than not want sunroofs, and it doesn’t make sense for them to design two roof designs.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by S_W222
Yes, I said de-select cause I think the Sky Lounge option is standard on the 7 at least for the 60 trim for sure. So I doubt you’ll get any reduction in MSRP, and am note sure you can select the regular glass anyway. Personally I’d still keep the Sky Lounge unless I really really need to apply tint but I don’t live in CA or TX, so no tint on the roof of my BMWs worked fine.
I’m going to look into this “de-selecting” of the LED roof. As far as I am concerned, it is a “rear seat” feature. Since I will almost never have anyone back there and since I drive very little after dark anymore, I would prefer to not have it.
Stream- just curious if you test drove the new Range Rover. You seem to be open to SUV's now and after riding in my business partner's new autobiography, all I can say is wow. The ride quality is very close to my S, closer than any SUV I have ever been in. Beautiful luxury, just the right amount of tech, it will be replacing my S560 when the time is right...
Stream- just curious if you test drove the new Range Rover. You seem to be open to SUV's now and after riding in my business partner's new autobiography, all I can say is wow. The ride quality is very close to my S, closer than any SUV I have ever been in. Beautiful luxury, just the right amount of tech, it will be replacing my S560 when the time is right...
Not Stream, but I did drive one and they are beautiful. Incredible quality interior, even without the upgrades. How did you feel about wind noise? I found a surprising amount of wind noise settled in north of 70 or so, considerably more than my S560 or a 7 Series or even a GLS.
2019 SL450, 2019 E450 Luxury Trim Wagon, 2024 BMW I7 xDrive60
Originally Posted by emilner
Stream- just curious if you test drove the new Range Rover. You seem to be open to SUV's now and after riding in my business partner's new autobiography, all I can say is wow. The ride quality is very close to my S, closer than any SUV I have ever been in. Beautiful luxury, just the right amount of tech, it will be replacing my S560 when the time is right...
I have not driven the current RR, as I have been bitten by the EV bug and have a strong desire to go electric. So, I’m going I7 this time around. By the time my 3-year lease is up, I’m sure there will be other luxury EV choices, not the least of which will be the RR EV, so maybe I’ll go that way then.
Not Stream, but I did drive one and they are beautiful. Incredible quality interior, even without the upgrades. How did you feel about wind noise? I found a surprising amount of wind noise settled in north of 70 or so, considerably more than my S560 or a 7 Series or even a GLS.
It was very noticeable the first time I was in it- then she brought it in for service and to address it. Apparently it was a known issue with the initial run and they have since fixed it. I would say it is at least as quiet as my S (based on the last time I rode in it post repair).
I have not driven the current RR, as I have been bitten by the EV bug and have a strong desire to go electric. So, I’m going I7 this time around. By the time my 3-year lease is up, I’m sure there will be other luxury EV choices, not the least of which will be the RR EV, so maybe I’ll go that way then.
They are coming out with one soon, but they have a PHEV with 550hp, 800nm tq and a 60 mile range on electric and a gas engine to boot. The best of both worlds...
It was very noticeable the first time I was in it- then she brought it in for service and to address it. Apparently it was a known issue with the initial run and they have since fixed it. I would say it is at least as quiet as my S (based on the last time I rode in it post repair).
Interesting, I will drive another one. I REALLY like it. Did you drive the V8 or the 6? I couldn’t find a V8 to drive.
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I hate glass roofs and sincerely hope that this ridiculous fad will soon die out. I would order and actually pay extra for a solid, steel roof if I could.
