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Old 10-13-2008, 01:28 PM
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2009 S63 Hits The Dyno

Baseline 2009 S63 Dyno


Cooling down ~2 hours before run


On the Dyno...


Graph, Stock, Power to the rear wheels
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'09 C63 AMG
Thanks for posting your results!
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Originally Posted by DC Performance
Baseline 2009 S63 Dyno


Cooling down ~2 hours before run


On the Dyno...


Graph, Stock, Power to the rear wheels
Hey WELCOME to the Forum!!!

Anyone who needs dyno , I had my CLS dynoed here.. The guys are GREAT!!

Lyle Larson a seasoned drag racer is a hoot to talk with, the shop is amazing!

Did you guys get your new dyno ? I think I pulled a 440 on the same dyno the S63 did 414 my baseline was 408 slightly lower than the 412.

You plan on Modding?

WELCOME!
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Welcome!

Numbers are right there in line with other 63s.
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I've never seen a stock C63 put down more than 380rwhp SAE on a DJ. Most E's and CLS's not over 390rw, except for Juicee's freak.
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Originally Posted by juicee63
Hey WELCOME to the Forum!!!

Anyone who needs dyno , I had my CLS dynoed here.. The guys are GREAT!!

Lyle Larson a seasoned drag racer is a hoot to talk with, the shop is amazing!

Did you guys get your new dyno ? I think I pulled a 440 on the same dyno the S63 did 414 my baseline was 408 slightly lower than the 412.

You plan on Modding?

WELCOME!

Thank you for the kind words!

Speaking of new dyno...





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Andy, stock 63s (except C) put out 410-420 at the wheels on Dynojet.

DC: that looks like a Dynapack?
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ VRP
Andy, stock 63s (except C) put out 410-420 at the wheels on Dynojet.

DC: that looks like a Dynapack?

That's not what I've seen so far out of the Es/CLSs Vadim.

Take a look at the majority of the DynoJet graphs (also note how off some DynoDynamics #s are lol):
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...highlight=dyno

I agree that other models can make that much power (410-420rw stock).
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4wheel dynapack

Originally Posted by Vadim @ VRP
Andy, stock 63s (except C) put out 410-420 at the wheels on Dynojet.

DC: that looks like a Dynapack?

It did take a while to unpack...shipped by air.

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Andy, I have dynoed six 63s, besides C. They were all 410-420 range.

Some early ones were down in high 300s. Also if they have 20'' wheels that will knock off 15-20RWHP.
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DC: very nice!

Are you selling your Dynojet?
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ VRP
Andy, I have dynoed six 63s, besides C. They were all 410-420 range.

Some early ones were down in high 300s. Also if they have 20'' wheels that will knock off 15-20RWHP.
Optimistic dyno? All I've seen from a local E and S is 383rw SAE DJ 5th gear, and 409rwhp SAE DJ 5th gear respectively. My C63 with K&Ns only made 373rwhp and 371rwtq (same dyno, testing procedure, correction factor). We also all run 93 octane.

Are you testing in 4th or 5th gear? If it's 4th it would explain some of the difference.

Regardless it's the difference in gains we look at anyway so no biggie.

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Originally Posted by Vadim @ VRP
DC: very nice!

Are you selling your Dynojet?

No, they will be working side-by-side!

We also have a nitrous station
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MHP just buy a normal dyno and your problem will be solved....
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MHP just buy a normal dyno and your problem will be solved....
I have a eddy current dyno in my shop that we tune on, and a DJ that reads spot on across town at a friends shop. Sorry but E/CLSs don't put down as much as S's, SL's, CL's, ML's. Besides I'd rather have a pessimistic dyno than an optimistic one, no customer disappointment after the fact

You also have to take into account that most shops dyno in the wrong gear. 5th gear in a 7A is 1 to 1 not 4th, 4th reads 6-8rwhp higher than 5th gear, same car same dyno. Sometimes it's due to the cars having a factory speed limiter (5th pushes my C63 past 180mph) but post tune there's no excuse for using the wrong gear.

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Andy:

1. You can not do 5th gear on stock cars. You will hit 155 mph speed limiter.

2. Most dynoes do not have fans big enough to keep car from detonating on 91 CA gas at 140 MPH.

3. If one does do the runs that high, now there is another 5-10 minutes wait to get the car to cool down. Thus severly limiting available time to tune.

4. Very few people drive at over 140 mph, so gains/numbers at that speed are not important to them.

5. Although S/CL63s are rated at 518, they also have more drivetrain loss, so typically they are at mid to low 420s vs. mid to low 410s for E/CLSs. Cs are limited by throttle to 50% opening, thus making around 370-380 at the wheels.
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ VRP
Andy:

1. You can not do 5th gear on stock cars. You will hit 155 mph speed limiter.

2. Most dynoes do not have fans big enough to keep car from detonating on 91 CA gas at 140 MPH.

3. If one does do the runs that high, now there is another 5-10 minutes wait to get the car to cool down. Thus severly limiting available time to tune.

4. Very few people drive at over 140 mph, so gains/numbers at that speed are not important to them.

5. Although S/CL63s are rated at 518, they also have more drivetrain loss, so typically they are at mid to low 420s vs. mid to low 410s for E/CLSs. Cs are limited by throttle to 50% opening, thus making around 370-380 at the wheels.
takin care of business, huh vadim?
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ VRP
Andy:

1. You can not do 5th gear on stock cars. You will hit 155 mph speed limiter.
I accounted for that saying it may only be possible after tuning depending on model.

2. Most dynoes do not have fans big enough to keep car from detonating on 91 CA gas at 140 MPH.
We dyno tune W12 Bentleys at 150+ on CA 91 without issue.

3. If one does do the runs that high, now there is another 5-10 minutes wait to get the car to cool down. Thus severly limiting available time to tune.
Time to buy a dyno Vadim. I can let my car sit on my dyno all day long if I choose. Basically that is not a problem all tuners face.

4. Very few people drive at over 140 mph, so gains/numbers at that speed are not important to them.
It has nothing to do with gains at that speed, and everything to do that every dyno on the market is calibrated to read 1:1.

5. Although S/CL63s are rated at 518, they also have more drivetrain loss, so typically they are at mid to low 420s vs. mid to low 410s for E/CLSs. Cs are limited by throttle to 50% opening, thus making around 370-380 at the wheels.
The 50% throttle opening is pure BS. I'm sorry but if you think a C63 can make 375rwhp SAE on a legit DJ with 50% TB opening I don't know what to tell you. As fas as the S/CL63s extra drivetrain loss, where are you getting that from?
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takin care of business, huh vadim?
Not so much.
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The 50% throttle opening is pure BS.
This tells that you have never scanned your car.

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Time to buy a dyno Vadim.
Coming.
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It did take a while to unpack...shipped by air.


When will this be ready 4 use??

Let me know when I can come down again , I need a new dyno # now that I am running heavier wheels etc..
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ VRP
This tells that you have never scanned your car.
Do you believe everything your scanner tells you? Also, have you scanned any other makes of vehicles that have less than 100% throttle opening at WOT?

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Coming.

Good for you.

Eddy current or DJ?
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Do you believe everything your scanner tells you? Also, have you scanned any other makes of vehicles that have less than 100% throttle opening at WOT?
Today 05:46 PM
Yes, and yes.

I can control TB opening and I can see it on the scanner. The values do not always correspond to exactly what they open, but they are very close.

I will post some data graphs in C63 post later.

Good for you.

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