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I have a 2015 E400 4MATIC Sedan. About 3 weeks ago, I noticed negative camber on both of my rear wheels. Shortly after, I had both of the rear suspension springs replaced, and the car was supposedly aligned. However, the negative camber is still present on both rear wheels. Today, I also noticed negative camber in one of the front wheels. (Pics attached.) Over bumps, a "squeak" noise has been coming from the suspension. The ride is unstable and "loose" feeling, not as tight as I knew it to be many years ago, and I am getting a shaking, wobbly sensation at highway speeds. I live in Southern New England and after the awful winter we just had, the potholes were terrible.
- Has anybody encountered this problem?
- What could be the root cause of this?
- In what direction should I go in first to fix this? The camber of the front nor the rear cannot be adjusted with factory parts, right?
W212 rear camber is built in, its maximum angle is depending on your car suspension variant.
AMG W212 has more rear camber.
Typical W212 will have at least minus 1 degree of rear camber.
You wrote , in blue : The ride is unstable and "loose" feeling, not as tight as I knew it to be many years ago, and I am getting a shaking, wobbly sensation at highway speeds. I live in Southern New England and after the awful winter we just had, the potholes were terrible.
That is called aging and wear and tear... but on the scarry side, maybe your REAR subframe is rotting ( rust ) already, which is common for W212 and W204.
Not tight is expected as bushings on the arms and subframe get worn out.
Wobbly & shaking IS NOT NORMAL.
You recently had your rear springs replaced and wheel aligned, if there is bad rust on the rear subframe and no one tell you about it...I will be pissed off.
Hi all,
Unfortunately I did not get an alignment sheet with "before" and "after" measurements of camber, caster, and tow even after asking for one at the independent shop (which is making me very skeptical). I understand that my particular suspension codes are 677/486.
I confirmed that the part number of the rear springs equipped to the car is 212-324-04-04. Also, there is no damage present on any of the tires or rims themselves.
Should I get a new, fresh alignment before diagnosing the issue to get to the bottom of it?
No Front Camber or Caster and no Rear Camber OEM !
No adjustment therefore to compensate for other than “Showroom Height conditions.
Today's models - Cost cutting and ever increasing speed of new car assembly lines - The often quoted reassuring “Full Front & Rear 4 Wheel Alignment” - IS NOW ONLY BASIC “TOE” (Directional adjustment).
ONUS NOW BACK ON OWNERS - To fund costly premature tire replacement - No longer being able to adjust tire contact angles / Spread load more evenly. Or track days able to quickly dial in more Neg. Camber to reduce understeer.
While replacing “worn bushes“ require special tools and “time consuming control arm removal”.
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NOTE: Besides above Front & Rear adjuster kits / uprated bushings - Also see #502628H kit: Uprated bushings for the ‘6’ rear multi link arms. Significantly reducing rear end flex / Wheel tramp / Loss of traction - Especially when applying power to lane change / overtake.
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I just had the car inspected at my local indy shop, and all of the suspension components are in good shape. (Control arms, bushings, ball joints, tie rods, etc.)
I am still looking to fix this negative camber problem, and it looks like it has now spread to both front wheels in addition to the rear wheels.
There is a kit on FCP Euro that is supposed to fix it (pics attached). Link: https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mer...-kit-spc-28850
Do you guys know of any other camber adjustment kits that I might be able to cross-shop to this one from SPC?
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I understand that my particular suspension codes are 677/486.
