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Interesting to note that I have an Autel MaxiDiag MD806 from several years ago, the display, menu structure, sequence, font, and display are identical to the NT510. I assume they are made by the same company. The Autel has all of the read functionality but none of the activation/adaptation functionality.
I also purchased an MT510 partly based on this thread and can say I am very pleased with what it does for the price. Used it to resolve an engine cooling fan problem and performed a Rodeo when flushing the ABC fluid. Those two things made it worth my money. The Next best thing for me is I can store the unit in its travel case and carry it in the car trunk for roadside surprises! It already cleared a “Car too low” error I encountered when quite a long way from home. I don’t think carrying a laptop and box of cables is quite as practical.
In addition, it works on my Sprinter van so if that thing ever starts to act up I stand a good chance of fixing it without dealer involvement.
Thanks to all who took the time to review this device and offer constructive comments.
I will agree the display is small, hard to read in sunlight when testing on road systems, it’s slow to analyze everything, and the method of naming a file is painful.
But for me, the convenience factor outweighs its limitations.
Bobterry99, you mentioned the 530 elite. Is the suffix ‘elite’ correct, or reserved for the 650 only?
I purchased a 510 Elite which is a new model. It is the same Hardware (hand held unit) as the 510 but has the expanded software of the 530.
I wanted something simpler and smaller for occasional use and simple fixes.
Had trouble loading the software until I actually replaced the micro SD card with a new card. Also found the included USB chip was defective, hope the unit itself has better quality than the memory chips they provide, time will tell.
Haven't used it much yet and the learning curve may be a little steep but I feel this satisfy my basic needs. I'm sure the Star system will do more and BenzNinja seems to provide great service but if I get in that deep I'll go to a pro.
...as far as I can tell you have to spend $750 on their GT60 Plus in order to have something which is explicitly described as having the capability to perform actuations; e.g., manual control of components, Rodeo routine.
I used the 510 to run a Rodeo when changing the ABC juice and it also actuated the radiator cooling fan at different speeds to help me diagnose a cooling problem. It probably does a lot more, I just haven’t the spare time to experiment with it. The documentation doesn’t explain everything in detail so you don’t know for sure what it does until you try it.
I'm sure I read somewhere ages ago Mercedes no longer recommend Rodeo (Can't find anyhthing to back that up)- wether that's because it loads the system or they just cant be bothered.
My opinion on cheap diag tools is if they do what you are trying to achieve go for it. If you press rodeo and the car goes up and down it does the job
But there are subtleties - ive seen cheap that say they adapt 722.9 transmission, and theres hardly any (no) change - then you plug it in Xentry and 2 of you spend an hour driving round adapting changes and the car just drives amazing after (when you thought you needed a new gearbox) - sometimes you just need the right tool, but not often tbf.
*Out of curiosity - Did rodeo improve ride in any way??*
Question for Foxwell users: Anyone try loading multiple vehicle manufacturers on their units?
My automotive hobby has expanded to purchasing, refurbishing and selling vehicles so I am interested in one...mainly because I am getting tired of lugging around full diagnostic setups (for MBs, BMWs, Audis, etc.) and need something powerful that can be stored in a glove box.
Originally Posted by m60kaf
I'm sure I read somewhere ages ago Mercedes no longer recommend Rodeo (Can't find anyhthing to back that up)- wether that's because it loads the system or they just cant be bothered.
I've read something similar before. A common misconception is that Rodeo is needed to warm the fluid up, which isn't necessarily the case since the system can be warmed up just from the car being driven.
Rodeo after the fluid change, however, ensures that the new fluid is circulated as thoroughly as possible.
Another (partial) misconception is that you need to actuate the system to cycle the fluid out when servicing. From what I've observed, ABC 1 systems will cycle the fluid out freely with only the engine running. ABC 2 systems, on the other hand, require the system to be actuated for the fluid to be cycled out.
Yes. When you purchase the original unit you get one manufacturer free of charge (I bought Mercedes). My daily is a Volvo V50 so I have subsequently paid Foxwell extra and now bought Volvo, which is now also on my unit. So my unit can do both Mercedes and Volvo.
You wrote that it was a "similar" alternative, but it isn't. It's like comparing a handheld calculator to a laptop PC. Foxwell can do practically everything a typical DIYer uses DAS/XENTRY for.
That does not change the fact that it is far from doing what Xentry DAS can do
I’m actually getting very fed up with the way this thread is going and as the original poster and the person who made the effort to demonstrate the Foxwell I feel entitled to make a few points.
Firstly the reason this thread is a sticky was a direct suggestion from a Mod to myself, asking me, as the thread initiator, if I was agreeable, to which I said yes.
Secondly we all know the Foxwell is not a fully dancing Xentry system. This thread was not intended by me to say that. Can I please ask everyone to stop debating it’s merits to a Xentry......... on THIS thread. By all means debate elsewhere, but this thread was posted by me as a Foxwell exploration of ability, not a debate as to whether it’s an Xentry substitute. It’s not!!!!
Finally, if there’s an alternative product of use (and I like the sound of the Carly) then go start its own thread!!!! If it has user value it’ll stand on its own two feet.
I feel I’ve wasted my time. What I began as an attempt to explain a diagnostic tool as a help to the community, has been undermined by diversion into a thread knocking the Foxwell against other stuff. I think that’s a very valid conversation and debate, but not in THIS thread!
If anyone is minded to make a useful comparison of all the various diagnostic tools available in a separate thread, then that would be an incredibly useful thing. Trying to do it here and introducing new processes in THIS thread is not!!
I’m actually getting very fed up with the way this thread is going and as the original poster and the person who made the effort to demonstrate the Foxwell I feel entitled to make a few points.
Firstly the reason this thread is a sticky was a direct suggestion from a Mod to myself, asking me, as the thread initiator, if I was agreeable, to which I said yes.
Secondly we all know the Foxwell is not a fully dancing Xentry system. This thread was not intended by me to say that. Can I please ask everyone to stop debating it’s merits to a Xentry......... on THIS thread. By all means debate elsewhere, but this thread was posted by me as a Foxwell exploration of ability, not a debate as to whether it’s an Xentry substitute. It’s not!!!!
Finally, if there’s an alternative product of use (and I like the sound of the Carly) then go start its own thread!!!! If it has user value it’ll stand on its own two feet.
I feel I’ve wasted my time. What I began as an attempt to explain a diagnostic tool as a help to the community, has been undermined by diversion into a thread knocking the Foxwell against other stuff. I think that’s a very valid conversation and debate, but not in THIS thread!
If anyone is minded to make a useful comparison of all the various diagnostic tools available in a separate thread, then that would be an incredibly useful thing. Trying to do it here and introducing new processes in THIS thread is not!!
I agree
If you want me to remove the Carly thing no problem
I agree
If you want me to remove the Carly thing no problem
Hi Peter, I appreciate you taking that view and my own personal view is, I’d wish you to move the Carly to it’s own thread.
It looks like a good thing to have and deserves its own space?
Before we get others jumping to assumptions I’ll say for the record this is not an anti “Benzninja” post lol. I just think the community is best served by keeping this thread to its original purpose?
Hi Peter, I appreciate you taking that view and my own personal view is, I’d wish you to move the Carly to it’s own thread.
It looks like a good thing to have and deserves its own space?
Before we get others jumping to assumptions I’ll say for the record this is not an anti “Benzninja” post lol. I just think the community is best served by keeping this thread to its original purpose?
I know that Matk
nobody is against me and fighting with me, only 1 same person
I totally understand this and I only forgot to think about this before by stress
Don't worry, I'll always help you
admitting mistakes is the base
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Yes. When you purchase the original unit you get one manufacturer free of charge (I bought Mercedes). My daily is a Volvo V50 so I have subsequently paid Foxwell extra and now bought Volvo, which is now also on my unit. So my unit can do both Mercedes and Volvo.
Thank you. Any performance issues after adding the Volvo-specific functionality vs. just the default Mercedes you started with?
My use case will be for Mercedes, Audi, BMW and maybe Ford. While it is nice having dedicated STAR, INPA/PA Soft/NCS-Expert (BMW), VAG-COM (Audi) and FORScan (Ford) setups in my garage, I relish the idea of a powerful, activations-capable, all-in-one to take with me on the road.
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