SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: 469HP to 493?
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469HP to 493?
What year did the sl55 go from having 469HP to the 493 it has in 05. I thought it was same engine since 03 but my buddy was looking at one today and the paperwork said 469. Anyone??
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Originally Posted by Juice it
What year did the sl55 go from having 469HP to the 493 it has in 05. I thought it was same engine since 03 but my buddy was looking at one today and the paperwork said 469. Anyone??
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Originally Posted by Juice it
What year did the sl55 go from having 469HP to the 493 it has in 05. I thought it was same engine since 03 but my buddy was looking at one today and the paperwork said 469. Anyone??
I believe the 2002 model wasn't shipped t the US.
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I bet that the E55 and CLS55 are rated at 469 v the SL55 @493 is a marketing ploy, since 0-60 times are virtually identical. They have to keep the top of the line more powerful....at least on paper. If its real its most likely ECU tuning.
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It is a marketing ploy. Mercedes quotes the E55 and CLS55 as having 469 HP in order to justify the significant price hike of the other Kompressor models. Do you really think they could lower the power of the MK113K by 24 HP and yet somehow maintain an identical Torque output of 516 LB-Ft? The answer is no, all the 55K cars produce the same power output, MB just needs to justify the extra $30K-$40K that the SL55, CL55, and S55 are commanding. The dyno numbers that the E55 and CLS55 produce proved this long ago.
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Originally Posted by VelocitE55
It is a marketing ploy. Mercedes quotes the E55 and CLS55 as having 469 HP in order to justify the significant price hike of the other Kompressor models. Do you really think they could lower the power of the MK113K by 24 HP and yet somehow maintain an identical Torque output of 516 LB-Ft? The answer is no, all the 55K cars produce the same power output, MB just needs to justify the extra $30K-$40K that the SL55, CL55, and S55 are commanding. The dyno numbers that the E55 and CLS55 produce proved this long ago.
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I tend to form the view that anyone who cant see the point in the extra may not have driven these cars.
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My understanding is that the E body (also CLS) has less room under the hood and accordingly it has a more restictive exhaust system than the S, SL, and CL bodies. The engines are the same, the exhaust sytems are different. The 469HP number for the SL is a misprint on some MB literature.
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Originally Posted by doltmo
My understanding is that the E body (also CLS) has less room under the hood and accordingly it has a more restictive exhaust system than the S, SL, and CL bodies. The engines are the same, the exhaust sytems are different. The 469HP number for the SL is a misprint on some MB literature.
How would less underhood room affect the exhaust system which is under the car? They make the same power, there are dyno graphs to prove it.
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Originally Posted by VelocitE55
How would less underhood room affect the exhaust system which is under the car? They make the same power, there are dyno graphs to prove it.
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Yes, I am fully aware that the exhaust system originates with the headers. In the end, the available dyno graphs showing that the E55 and CLS55 produce the same power as the more costly Kompressor cars puts that theory to rest.
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Originally Posted by VelocitE55
Yes, I am fully aware that the exhaust system originates with the headers. In the end, the available dyno graphs showing that the E55 and CLS55 produce the same power as the more costly Kompressor cars puts that theory to rest.
Your original post sounded a little ridiculous by not accounting for them. Regardless, I don't think there is any significance to it because, as you pointed out, they produce the same exact power because they have the same exact motor, intake, exhaust.
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Originally Posted by VelocitE55
It is a marketing ploy. Mercedes quotes the E55 and CLS55 as having 469 HP in order to justify the significant price hike of the other Kompressor models. Do you really think they could lower the power of the MK113K by 24 HP and yet somehow maintain an identical Torque output of 516 LB-Ft? The answer is no, all the 55K cars produce the same power output, MB just needs to justify the extra $30K-$40K that the SL55, CL55, and S55 are commanding. The dyno numbers that the E55 and CLS55 produce proved this long ago.
OK, the torque curve is a interesting point, however the exhausts on the cars are different for sure... one just needs to hear the exhaust note to realize that. And yes, I've heard the DYNO argument but it ALWAYS originates from the E55 owners and I've never seen any unbiased comparison (done on the same dyno under the same conditions). Maybe I should dyno mine back to back and put this whole thing to rest... though I would say my money is on the SL55 over my E55 under those circumstances (and reverse on the road - the E55 is faster).
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I never said the exhaust systems werent different. At the very least the exhaust systems differ in length. If the E55 and CLS55 were detuned from 493 HP, then not only would the Dyno Graphs support that, but the Torque number would have had to fall as well. Dyno your cars and see what happens, I am open to either conclusion.
In terms of Marketing, MB is likely looking at it from the perspective that some sales of the SL55, CL55 and S55 would undoubtedly be lost if everyone knew they could get the same power from a lesser model. True its all profit for them either way, but it would be MORE profit if people werent swayed by the fact that they could have the same power output for significantly less money by going with an E55 or a CLS55. Obviously only so many people would go this route but nonetheless, there are people out there who would. Its business, and your aim is to make the most profit possible.
In terms of Marketing, MB is likely looking at it from the perspective that some sales of the SL55, CL55 and S55 would undoubtedly be lost if everyone knew they could get the same power from a lesser model. True its all profit for them either way, but it would be MORE profit if people werent swayed by the fact that they could have the same power output for significantly less money by going with an E55 or a CLS55. Obviously only so many people would go this route but nonetheless, there are people out there who would. Its business, and your aim is to make the most profit possible.
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Originally Posted by VelocitE55
...If the E55 and CLS55 were detuned from 493 HP, then not only would the Dyno Graphs support that, but the Torque number would have had to fall as well...
Look at the SL65. Detuned torque, but not detuned power. As I understood.
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Is it even legal to misrepresent a car like that?
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Originally Posted by VelocitE55
In terms of Marketing, MB is likely looking at it from the perspective that some sales of the SL55, CL55 and S55 would undoubtedly be lost if everyone knew they could get the same power from a lesser model. True its all profit for them either way, but it would be MORE profit if people werent swayed by the fact that they could have the same power output for significantly less money by going with an E55 or a CLS55. Obviously only so many people would go this route but nonetheless, there are people out there who would. Its business, and your aim is to make the most profit possible.
The E's competition is the BMW 5-Series, the Audi 6, and every other 4 door performance sedan... not the CL, S, or SL. What's at a greater loss to MBUSA? Losing a SL55 sale to a E55, or losing a E55 sale to a M5? It doesn't take a Ivy League MBA to understand if you want to make the E55 as profitable as possible (from a sales perspective), your BEST STRATEGY is to market successfully against your direct competitors (i.e. BMW, Audi, etc.).
No E55 product manager worth his salt who's success is measured by sales is going to sign off on understating HP for the sake of other cars in his company. I mean really? Why not say it runs slower and has less legroom as well? What otehr manufacturer understates their car in any way? And now w/ the new M5 out and rated over 500HP why isn't MB upping the E55 to 493HP on paper to keep it right there? My guess is because they'd get called on it...
I'm more inclined to believe it was a typo than some screwy marketing plan.
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The bottom line is that I dont know exactly why MB would claim a lower output and a typo would not be allowed to stand year after year. The fact is E55's and CLS55's clearly produce more power than stated, putting them right up there with the likes of the SL55, CL55 and S55 in terms of output.
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