SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: SL63 Spr08 US arrival?
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SL63 Spr08 US arrival?
Dealers apparently can spec SL63 now; SL55 produc is over....options incl usual SL options, as well as 030....would guess SL63 arrives US Spr08....
Rumors are interior is all-new....though not clear if SL will have CL/S-caliber DistronicPlus/BrakeAssist/Parktronic interlinks....or latest Comand/stereo systems.....or whether SL gets a new CL/S-caliber braking system....
Am ordering an early SL63 030 (awaiting prob later Blk Series)...but have ambivalent views re: SL......as much as I suspect its steering/chassis will be sharper than CL63's....not sure if brakes will be all-new/advcd ('07 SL65 had simply awful brake pedal feel, though excellent stopping dists/fade resistance).....and hate crash risks of even retractable hardtop convertibles (prefer Blk Series' rumored fixed cf roof struc).....suspect passive safety of CL63 is far greater esp if rear-ended on high-speed fwys...or if facing frontal collision in mtn twisties....a 4600lb rigid coupe w/likely stronger roof struc, w/more ample crumple zones and higher ride ht (am enough of a safety fanatic to always drive w/roof and windows closed, though I much enjoy listening to the brilliant exhaust note of 63, esp in mtn twisties).....excellent choices debating btwn two of world's greatest cars.....
Rumors are interior is all-new....though not clear if SL will have CL/S-caliber DistronicPlus/BrakeAssist/Parktronic interlinks....or latest Comand/stereo systems.....or whether SL gets a new CL/S-caliber braking system....
Am ordering an early SL63 030 (awaiting prob later Blk Series)...but have ambivalent views re: SL......as much as I suspect its steering/chassis will be sharper than CL63's....not sure if brakes will be all-new/advcd ('07 SL65 had simply awful brake pedal feel, though excellent stopping dists/fade resistance).....and hate crash risks of even retractable hardtop convertibles (prefer Blk Series' rumored fixed cf roof struc).....suspect passive safety of CL63 is far greater esp if rear-ended on high-speed fwys...or if facing frontal collision in mtn twisties....a 4600lb rigid coupe w/likely stronger roof struc, w/more ample crumple zones and higher ride ht (am enough of a safety fanatic to always drive w/roof and windows closed, though I much enjoy listening to the brilliant exhaust note of 63, esp in mtn twisties).....excellent choices debating btwn two of world's greatest cars.....
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will it just be the standard E63 engine or will there be a power boost?
heavier SL with same amount of lower torque then the 55K, i don't think i will be too happy with that
and then i bet you the 63TT engine comes out 1 year after this SL63 comes out, so early adopters will be screwed
heavier SL with same amount of lower torque then the 55K, i don't think i will be too happy with that
and then i bet you the 63TT engine comes out 1 year after this SL63 comes out, so early adopters will be screwed
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will it just be the standard E63 engine or will there be a power boost?
heavier SL with same amount of lower torque then the 55K, i don't think i will be too happy with that
and then i bet you the 63TT engine comes out 1 year after this SL63 comes out, so early adopters will be screwed
heavier SL with same amount of lower torque then the 55K, i don't think i will be too happy with that
and then i bet you the 63TT engine comes out 1 year after this SL63 comes out, so early adopters will be screwed
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...........I see I did not need to answer. Will there be NA SL63 with same HP specs as current E63? No. I don't believe it. They already boosted the HP in the 07 SL55. You will have to believe that MB/AMG will have a replacement SL with less HP than the car it replaces. Only thing that is clear is that TTV8 is coming. Even with a power boost, anyone that buys a transition NA SL63 just before the new V8TT SL comes out will be the idiot in his class.
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...........I see I did not need to answer. Will there be NA SL63 with same HP specs as current E63? No. I don't believe it. They already boosted the HP in the 07 SL55. You will have to believe that MB/AMG will have a replacement SL with less HP than the car it replaces. Only thing that is clear is that TTV8 is coming. Even with a power boost, anyone that buys a transition NA SL63 just before the new V8TT SL comes out will be the idiot in his class.
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...........I see I did not need to answer. Will there be NA SL63 with same HP specs as current E63? No. I don't believe it. They already boosted the HP in the 07 SL55. You will have to believe that MB/AMG will have a replacement SL with less HP than the car it replaces. Only thing that is clear is that TTV8 is coming. Even with a power boost, anyone that buys a transition NA SL63 just before the new V8TT SL comes out will be the idiot in his class.
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News flash Ted, the next SL is at least 2-3 years off. You had better believe that Mercedes didn't go through all this trouble of facelifting the R230 to replace it so soon.
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Wrong again Ted. Even you're trying to change what you originally said can't get you over. There most certainly be a naturally aspirated SL63 with the same hp as the current CL/S63 models, what is it 518hp? You're funny, calling buyers idiots now because you were seemingly wrong about the SL63. Too funny. You said there would be no SL63 and yet it appears there will be and it will be naturally aspirated. Anyone that buys it is an idiot? Hilarious.
News flash Ted, the next SL is at least 2-3 years off. You had better believe that Mercedes didn't go through all this trouble of facelifting the R230 to replace it so soon.
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News flash Ted, the next SL is at least 2-3 years off. You had better believe that Mercedes didn't go through all this trouble of facelifting the R230 to replace it so soon.
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Wrong again Ted. Even you're trying to change what you originally said can't get you over. There most certainly be a naturally aspirated SL63 with the same hp as the current CL/S63 models, what is it 518hp? You're funny, calling buyers idiots now because you were seemingly wrong about the SL63. Too funny. You said there would be no SL63 and yet it appears there will be and it will be naturally aspirated. Anyone that buys it is an idiot? Hilarious.
News flash Ted, the next SL is at least 2-3 years off. You had better believe that Mercedes didn't go through all this trouble of facelifting the R230 to replace it so soon.
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News flash Ted, the next SL is at least 2-3 years off. You had better believe that Mercedes didn't go through all this trouble of facelifting the R230 to replace it so soon.
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..........You are right and wrong. I think we are getting a bit loose with the HP numbers. I have never expected there to be an NA SL63 or G63 because the HP and torque numbers of the 507Hp and 465Lbft of torque will be a step backwards for these very heavy cars. To the extent that there will be NA SL63 afterall, means that I was partially wrong. If the NA SL63 gets beefed up to over 540HP as others are suggesting, it essentially addresses the problem I was raising. But I don't expect you to acknowledge it. I have argued with you before, and there will be no end to this. So claim victory, so it will stop.
..........As far as the new SL being 2-3 years away; Again we are being a bit loose with the numbers. If the replacement for the SL comes out 2 years from now as you have stated, then that will be only one year after the NA SL63. Mercees has done this before. Stuffing the ttv12 into the CL65 and then replacing the body style one year later. Now you can pick up a W215 CL65 for $60K. I won't be too quick to dismiss this concern. I know you have an issue with me, but I'm not the only one that has expressed it. One possible scenario that may make sense is the one already pointed out by another forum member. That is; MB will beef up the HP and torque in the NA SL63 to address the concerns I and others have raised. Then introduce the TTV8 a year or so later as a replacement for the 65's. There may not be the need in the future for the current V12TT if the V8TT can be made to be just as powerful or even more powerful. This will save the buyers of the beefed up NA SL63 from suffering the same fate as the buyers of the W215 CL65. You won't agree with anything I've said, but it is all good.
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..........You are right and wrong. I think we are getting a bit loose with the HP numbers. I have never expected there to be an NA SL63 or G63 because the HP and torque numbers of the 507Hp and 465Lbft of torque will be a step backwards for these very heavy cars. To the extent that there will be NA SL63 afterall, means that I was partially wrong. If the NA SL63 gets beefed up to over 540HP as others are suggesting, it essentially addresses the problem I was raising. But I don't expect you to acknowledge it. I have argued with you before, and there will be no end to this. So claim victory, so it will stop.
..........As far as the new SL being 2-3 years away; Again we are being a bit loose with the numbers. If the replacement for the SL comes out 2 years from now as you have stated, then that will be only one year after the NA SL63. Mercees has done this before. Stuffing the ttv12 into the CL65 and then replacing the body style one year later. Now you can pick up a W215 CL65 for $60K. I won't be too quick to dismiss this concern. I know you have an issue with me, but I'm not the only one that has expressed it. One possible scenario that may make sense is the one already pointed out by another forum member. That is; MB will beef up the HP and torque in the NA SL63 to address the concerns I and others have raised. Then introduce the TTV8 a year or so later as a replacement for the 65's. There may not be the need in the future for the current V12TT if the V8TT can be made to be just as powerful or even more powerful. This will save the buyers of the beefed up NA SL63 from suffering the same fate as the buyers of the W215 CL65. You won't agree with anything I've said, but it is all good.
Ted
..........As far as the new SL being 2-3 years away; Again we are being a bit loose with the numbers. If the replacement for the SL comes out 2 years from now as you have stated, then that will be only one year after the NA SL63. Mercees has done this before. Stuffing the ttv12 into the CL65 and then replacing the body style one year later. Now you can pick up a W215 CL65 for $60K. I won't be too quick to dismiss this concern. I know you have an issue with me, but I'm not the only one that has expressed it. One possible scenario that may make sense is the one already pointed out by another forum member. That is; MB will beef up the HP and torque in the NA SL63 to address the concerns I and others have raised. Then introduce the TTV8 a year or so later as a replacement for the 65's. There may not be the need in the future for the current V12TT if the V8TT can be made to be just as powerful or even more powerful. This will save the buyers of the beefed up NA SL63 from suffering the same fate as the buyers of the W215 CL65. You won't agree with anything I've said, but it is all good.
Ted
For the record I think there will be a new SL for the 2011 model year here in the U.S. so all that other stuff you're saying may be right about what they'll do with engine wise then, but again that doesn't have anything to do with what we were discussing. Period.
Lastly even if they do come out with a SL63 with 540 or so hp, the torque will never match or even come close to mathing the old 5.5L SC V8 so again what is the point of bringing that up?
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..........You are right and wrong. I think we are getting a bit loose with the HP numbers. I have never expected there to be an NA SL63 or G63 because the HP and torque numbers of the 507Hp and 465Lbft of torque will be a step backwards for these very heavy cars. To the extent that there will be NA SL63 afterall, means that I was partially wrong. If the NA SL63 gets beefed up to over 540HP as others are suggesting, it essentially addresses the problem I was raising. But I don't expect you to acknowledge it. I have argued with you before, and there will be no end to this. So claim victory, so it will stop.
..........As far as the new SL being 2-3 years away; Again we are being a bit loose with the numbers. If the replacement for the SL comes out 2 years from now as you have stated, then that will be only one year after the NA SL63. Mercees has done this before. Stuffing the ttv12 into the CL65 and then replacing the body style one year later. Now you can pick up a W215 CL65 for $60K. I won't be too quick to dismiss this concern. I know you have an issue with me, but I'm not the only one that has expressed it. One possible scenario that may make sense is the one already pointed out by another forum member. That is; MB will beef up the HP and torque in the NA SL63 to address the concerns I and others have raised. Then introduce the TTV8 a year or so later as a replacement for the 65's. There may not be the need in the future for the current V12TT if the V8TT can be made to be just as powerful or even more powerful. This will save the buyers of the beefed up NA SL63 from suffering the same fate as the buyers of the W215 CL65. You won't agree with anything I've said, but it is all good.
Ted
..........As far as the new SL being 2-3 years away; Again we are being a bit loose with the numbers. If the replacement for the SL comes out 2 years from now as you have stated, then that will be only one year after the NA SL63. Mercees has done this before. Stuffing the ttv12 into the CL65 and then replacing the body style one year later. Now you can pick up a W215 CL65 for $60K. I won't be too quick to dismiss this concern. I know you have an issue with me, but I'm not the only one that has expressed it. One possible scenario that may make sense is the one already pointed out by another forum member. That is; MB will beef up the HP and torque in the NA SL63 to address the concerns I and others have raised. Then introduce the TTV8 a year or so later as a replacement for the 65's. There may not be the need in the future for the current V12TT if the V8TT can be made to be just as powerful or even more powerful. This will save the buyers of the beefed up NA SL63 from suffering the same fate as the buyers of the W215 CL65. You won't agree with anything I've said, but it is all good.
Ted
I for one agree with Ted. After the beating I took on the Sl65 I wouldn't touch a first Gen NA SL63. I would however buy a low mile SL65 for 90k that to me is a better car anyway and let the latest and greatest tank in value before touching one again.
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i respect your input greatly ted, but can i suggest that there will be a power gap between "standard" AMG cars and "top" AMG cars. i have checked the ordering system and the sl63 exists, so that is not in doubt. may i suggest that the twin turbo v8 will replace the sl65???
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Well there aren't any new engines per say for the SL facelift, on the switch from SL55 to SL63. New V12s I don't think we'll see until the S/CL get their facelift for 2010 or so. I think by the time that happens a twin turbo version of the AMG V8 might replace the V12 65 cars, hard to say.
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Well there aren't any new engines per say for the SL facelift, on the switch from SL55 to SL63. New V12s I don't think we'll see until the S/CL get their facelift for 2010 or so. I think by the time that happens a twin turbo version of the AMG V8 might replace the V12 65 cars, hard to say.
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Someday there will be an updated 12 cylinder engine, and AMG will modify it as well. I don't see why a twin turbo V-8 would sit atop the Benz lineup. Maybe there will be a turbo 63, but it will probably be part of a "Black" series and will also have the 5-speed transmission.
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Well it is all guesswork at this point. If the rumors are true about a twin turbo V8 with 700hp or more then the V12 would be pointless unless they plan to put a 800-900hp car in the showroom. We'll know more in 2-3 years when the facelifts for the S/CL and new SL come along.
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Well it is all guesswork at this point. If the rumors are true about a twin turbo V8 with 700hp or more then the V12 would be pointless unless they plan to put a 800-900hp car in the showroom. We'll know more in 2-3 years when the facelifts for the S/CL and new SL come along.
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This is true, though I don't see MB/BMW and the like using hybrids for performance. Though MB has definitely said that their cars will get lighter. I've always wonder what a SL55 AMG could do with about 1000lbs less weight, I think we're going to find out with the SLC/Sig/Black Series or whatever they call the thing. Maybe not the much weight off though.
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That's exactly what Ferrari is working on right now,Hybrid technology to increase performance ,not fuel efficiency as a main objective.
If it works,MB and others will just follow suit.
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Besides more powerful engines...
I recently posted the following on the AMG S forum and would like to know if anyone in this SL Forum has information on this possible development. "I had an interesting conversation with an AMG MBUSA executive I met last August during the CLK63 Black Series road drives in Quail Lodge (Carmel). He mentioned to me that AMG is now seriously 'working/testing' the new 4Matic awd for an AMG application. The improved 4-Matic was recently introduced in the MY07 S class for its non-AMG & non-600 models. As you may know, this improved 4-Matic tranny is more compact, lightweight and fits nicely (no bulge in passenger footwell area) in the existing transmission tunnel. My gut feeling is that AMG needs to take a page from Porsche/Audi and realize that greater HP & Torque (like those already generated by the SL65, S65 &CL65) are meaningless without better TRACTION. So I expect that the next real innovation from AMG in the SL/S/CL 65 models will be in the way (manner) power is delivered to the road via an innovative new transmission...the world already knows AMG has mastered the art of getting incredible power and torque from these engines! And kudos are rightfully given (to AMG). But they now need to do more in this other important area (transmission & traction). Hopefully this 4-Matic technology, beefed up to handle power & torque of V12s, will trickle down to the SL/S/CL 600 too." Z356
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I recently posted the following on the AMG S forum and would like to know if anyone in this SL Forum has information on this possible development. "I had an interesting conversation with an AMG MBUSA executive I met last August during the CLK63 Black Series road drives in Quail Lodge (Carmel). He mentioned to me that AMG is now seriously 'working/testing' the new 4Matic awd for an AMG application. The improved 4-Matic was recently introduced in the MY07 S class for its non-AMG & non-600 models. As you may know, this improved 4-Matic tranny is more compact, lightweight and fits nicely (no bulge in passenger footwell area) in the existing transmission tunnel. My gut feeling is that AMG needs to take a page from Porsche/Audi and realize that greater HP & Torque (like those already generated by the SL65, S65 &CL65) are meaningless without better TRACTION. So I expect that the next real innovation from AMG in the SL/S/CL 65 models will be in the way (manner) power is delivered to the road via an innovative new transmission...the world already knows AMG has mastered the art of getting incredible power and torque from these engines! And kudos are rightfully given (to AMG). But they now need to do more in this other important area (transmission & traction). Hopefully this 4-Matic technology, beefed up to handle power & torque of V12s, will trickle down to the SL/S/CL 600 too." Z356
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EU (as does CA/NYC) has all kinds of eco posturing......e.g., lots of clowns in SiliconValley commute via Prius and claim all kinds of green-friendliness but use G550/767 private planes for quick wkend jaunts to one of their wkend houses in BevHills/Malibu, Aspen, NYC, London, etc.....
AMG has hinted they may turbo/SC the 63 motor; and have heard rumors new V12 motor is <12mos away.....suspect AMG is figuring out how to sell fast-depreciating AMG SL's, esp when Ferrari is about to launch a $200Kish retractable hardtop in CY08.....let's face it, perhaps 90%+ of buyers are buying a brand/image, not hp/tq; safety; chassis, etc.....reality is most would be most happy w/a Ferrari SUV w/XXL wheels/tints/loud exhaust/XXL cupholders (and trays for their fast-food dinners) and rear-seat entmt sys for their rugrats and mutts....
AMG has hinted they may turbo/SC the 63 motor; and have heard rumors new V12 motor is <12mos away.....suspect AMG is figuring out how to sell fast-depreciating AMG SL's, esp when Ferrari is about to launch a $200Kish retractable hardtop in CY08.....let's face it, perhaps 90%+ of buyers are buying a brand/image, not hp/tq; safety; chassis, etc.....reality is most would be most happy w/a Ferrari SUV w/XXL wheels/tints/loud exhaust/XXL cupholders (and trays for their fast-food dinners) and rear-seat entmt sys for their rugrats and mutts....
