SL55/63/65/R230 AMG: Keyless Go
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Keyless Go
I want to know if I can carry 2 keyless go keys from 2 different cars in my wallet at the same time. The dealer said no, and the manual was unclear about 2 different keys ,also asked if I can get the cars keyed he same so all I would need is one key and one keyless go, they told me that it can not be done, something about each car has its own key attached to the vin# and all their other components
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I'm not too sure I understand the question, however, this may give you an answer.
If you have 2 keyless go equipeed cars, I beleive you CAN carry both cards with you at the same time. Of course, only the one for each particular vehicle will open that vehicle.
If you have 2 keyless go equipeed cars, I beleive you CAN carry both cards with you at the same time. Of course, only the one for each particular vehicle will open that vehicle.
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cards?
I thought Mercedes had phased out the cards and was putting the code info in the key itself now? Anyone know for sure if the original keyless go cards are still being supplied with the newer vehicles?
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Re: cards?
Originally posted by northbenz
I thought Mercedes had phased out the cards and was putting the code info in the key itself now? Anyone know for sure if the original keyless go cards are still being supplied with the newer vehicles?
I thought Mercedes had phased out the cards and was putting the code info in the key itself now? Anyone know for sure if the original keyless go cards are still being supplied with the newer vehicles?
For example all CL class vehicles are comming with it in the card still. Why Mercedes doesn't choose one or the other I don't know.
Early production SL's had the card, as of Novemeber they started comming integrated into the key.
Who knows why certain decesions are made.
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Re: Keyless Go
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mookie
[B]I want to know if I can carry 2 keyless go keys from 2 different cars in my wallet at the same time. The dealer said no, and the manual was unclear about 2 different keys ,also asked if I can get the cars keyed he same so all I would need is one key and one keyless go, they told me that it can not be done, something about each car has its own key attached to the vin# and all their other components
Which dealer did u purchase this from? Congrats By the way,Can't wait to see the pic's Whats Color did u get? What did u pay? if u don't mind my asking,My dealer ****ed me big time !!
[B]I want to know if I can carry 2 keyless go keys from 2 different cars in my wallet at the same time. The dealer said no, and the manual was unclear about 2 different keys ,also asked if I can get the cars keyed he same so all I would need is one key and one keyless go, they told me that it can not be done, something about each car has its own key attached to the vin# and all their other components
Which dealer did u purchase this from? Congrats By the way,Can't wait to see the pic's Whats Color did u get? What did u pay? if u don't mind my asking,My dealer ****ed me big time !!
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I have 2003 S500 4-Matic (3% off sticker) which has the keyless go card and a 2003 SL55 ( paid sticker ) which also has the keyless go card. I was told that I can NOT carry both keyless go cards with me at the same time. How do I find out the correct answer? I would not want to carry both and f--k them up some how!
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The dealer told me not to carry both, they asked their head of service. It sounded like he was not sure, so I am trying to comfirm it one way or another
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by mookie
[B]I have 2003 S500 4-Matic (3% off sticker) which has the keyless go card and a 2003 SL55 ( paid sticker ) which also has the keyless go card. I was told that I can NOT carry both keyless go cards with me at the same time. How do I find out the correct answer? I would not want to carry both and f--k them up some how!
I will make a call for you to a tech guy i know @ mercedes in Florida. I'll let u know as soon as I find out it could be monday. But good luck w/ the car and do a little homework on the internet as well.
[B]I have 2003 S500 4-Matic (3% off sticker) which has the keyless go card and a 2003 SL55 ( paid sticker ) which also has the keyless go card. I was told that I can NOT carry both keyless go cards with me at the same time. How do I find out the correct answer? I would not want to carry both and f--k them up some how!
I will make a call for you to a tech guy i know @ mercedes in Florida. I'll let u know as soon as I find out it could be monday. But good luck w/ the car and do a little homework on the internet as well.
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Forgive me if I'm being an idiot in asking again - but is it confirmed that Keyless go is now *built in* to the key for SL55's? If so, that's a smart move on MB's part, as that was the only option I felt was useless (carrying two items).
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Originally posted by mookie
The dealer told me not to carry both, they asked their head of service. It sounded like he was not sure, so I am trying to comfirm it one way or another
The dealer told me not to carry both, they asked their head of service. It sounded like he was not sure, so I am trying to comfirm it one way or another
Wishing not to "look" like an idiot (something he did anyways), he simpy told you some bogus answer without supporting data.
When you carry both keyless go cards, the vehicle you drive will simply "talk" to the keyless card that is coded for it. The vehicle will simply ignore the other card.
I am becoming more, and more jaded about the knowledge level of Mercedes-Benz salespeople. How hard is it to pick-up a book, read on the internet, or actually research and study the vehicles being sold?
While the job may sometimes be stressful and physically "draining", selling vehicles is not what I would consider to be a position requiring great, intelligent thinking (i.e., versus engineering positions, etc.).
My point is simple: with some effort, the average salesperson could easily become a very knowledgeable person who has detailed knowledge about the vehicles he has to offer.
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Unfortunately, we have another case of "dealer-is-an-ignorant-a$$-itis".
Wishing not to "look" like an idiot (something he did anyways), he simpy told you some bogus answer without supporting data.
When you carry both keyless go cards, the vehicle you drive will simply "talk" to the keyless card that is coded for it. The vehicle will simply ignore the other card.
Unfortunately, we have another case of "dealer-is-an-ignorant-a$$-itis".
Wishing not to "look" like an idiot (something he did anyways), he simpy told you some bogus answer without supporting data.
When you carry both keyless go cards, the vehicle you drive will simply "talk" to the keyless card that is coded for it. The vehicle will simply ignore the other card.
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Agree with you SL55. It's rare to come across a sales person who really understands their products. They're trained/programmed to give you the benefits, dismiss the doubts and actually it's all rather tedious.
Real Estate, Cars, Consumer Electronics, Computing, Financial Products, they're all the same. Ask them a question and the last thing they will say is "I don't know but will find out", they just give you the first thing which comes into their minds which they think/hope will make you go away.
We have a company here called Dixons which is the largest electronics retailer with fingers in lots of pies, and the ignorance of their sales staff is a standing joke. They know nothing.
Real Estate, Cars, Consumer Electronics, Computing, Financial Products, they're all the same. Ask them a question and the last thing they will say is "I don't know but will find out", they just give you the first thing which comes into their minds which they think/hope will make you go away.
We have a company here called Dixons which is the largest electronics retailer with fingers in lots of pies, and the ignorance of their sales staff is a standing joke. They know nothing.
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Agree with you SL55. It's rare to come across a sales person who really understands their products. They're trained/programmed to give you the benefits, dismiss the doubts and actually it's all rather tedious.
Real Estate, Cars, Consumer Electronics, Computing, Financial Products, they're all the same. Ask them a question and the last thing they will say is "I don't know but will find out", they just give you the first thing which comes into their minds which they think/hope will make you go away.
We have a company here called Dixons which is the largest electronics retailer with fingers in lots of pies, and the ignorance of their sales staff is a standing joke. They know nothing.
Agree with you SL55. It's rare to come across a sales person who really understands their products. They're trained/programmed to give you the benefits, dismiss the doubts and actually it's all rather tedious.
Real Estate, Cars, Consumer Electronics, Computing, Financial Products, they're all the same. Ask them a question and the last thing they will say is "I don't know but will find out", they just give you the first thing which comes into their minds which they think/hope will make you go away.
We have a company here called Dixons which is the largest electronics retailer with fingers in lots of pies, and the ignorance of their sales staff is a standing joke. They know nothing.
As for car dealers - if you're ever in the market for a BMW, one dealer I've found has been knowledgeable *and* honest about what he does and doesn't know - Rich Pettinella at BMW Manhattan. Amusing and ironic, that I have to look all the way to the exact opposite side of the country, but sales people like himself are far and few apart.
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As usual, us carnuts end up educating the sales people about their products. This is especially true of breaking news about the products that we seem to know before them because we read and educate ourselves.
where's the pic's of the Beast?
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Originally posted by G-baby
I was reading the SL55 manual and it DOES say that you should NOT put two Cards together.
I was reading the SL55 manual and it DOES say that you should NOT put two Cards together.
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Originally posted by G-baby
I was reading the SL55 manual and it DOES say that you should NOT put two Cards together.
I was reading the SL55 manual and it DOES say that you should NOT put two Cards together.
If I would follow everything that Mercedes types up, then I also shouldn't use my non-Mercedes cell phone in the car or virtually any other electronic equipment. BS...
There is however a small chance that the keyless go cards interfere with one another as these cards communicate on the same radio frequency and the car will initiate communication with both cards at the same time.
Just try it out and see how it works
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Agree with you Wolfman, the manual talks about connecting electrical accessories and invites you to contact Mercedes for more information on the "wiring harness connection points". If you do, there's just a wall of silence (more probably ignorance).
The manual is full of warnings, do this, don't do that, all part of their response to our litigious society (the US rather more so than the UK) where individuals do not take responsibility for their actions and any mis-fortune is always someone else's fault. The Mercedes manual actually makes tedious reading, conveying far less information that it could and so cluttered with all this stuff. It's just like my Nikon camera manual which warns against adjusting the eye-piece when your eye is up to it in case you poke your finger in your eye.
I do not know enough about the radio technology used in Keyless Go, whether it uses frequency hopping for example. It intentionally has limited range and the car has to be able to distinguish whether the key/card is inside or outside the car. We know that if the signal was swamped by another much stronger signal, you cannot get in the car and it may be that having two cards might mess things up.
The old 129 used to have a card just like the ones no longer used for the R230. That was just a remote blipper but it had a skeleton key built in for ermergency. Seems to me that is better than the bulky smart key we're forced to use now.
BTW, does anyone where the Keyless Go antenna is? Even if there was some interference, holding the card right up close should still be OK - inverse square law and all that....
The manual is full of warnings, do this, don't do that, all part of their response to our litigious society (the US rather more so than the UK) where individuals do not take responsibility for their actions and any mis-fortune is always someone else's fault. The Mercedes manual actually makes tedious reading, conveying far less information that it could and so cluttered with all this stuff. It's just like my Nikon camera manual which warns against adjusting the eye-piece when your eye is up to it in case you poke your finger in your eye.
I do not know enough about the radio technology used in Keyless Go, whether it uses frequency hopping for example. It intentionally has limited range and the car has to be able to distinguish whether the key/card is inside or outside the car. We know that if the signal was swamped by another much stronger signal, you cannot get in the car and it may be that having two cards might mess things up.
The old 129 used to have a card just like the ones no longer used for the R230. That was just a remote blipper but it had a skeleton key built in for ermergency. Seems to me that is better than the bulky smart key we're forced to use now.
BTW, does anyone where the Keyless Go antenna is? Even if there was some interference, holding the card right up close should still be OK - inverse square law and all that....
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Gooch, do you mean which set of wheels will be worth more when you come to trade in the car?
The good news about the standard rims is that they are relatively inexpensive - abount £350 each here in the UK, maybe $500 in the US, alot less than some more exclusive after-market wheels.
The Turbines are more difficult to keep clean and I think over a couple of years, all but the most fanatical owners will start to neglect them. It fascinates me here in London how many upmarket cars have wheels in the most awful condition, due partly to the amount of parking parallel to the roadside we do here. The rims are kerbed - ground against the side of the road and often look awful. In the US, there's much less of that style of parking and they will not suffer to the same extent.
I've long thought rims are the least durable part of any car and previous experience of Mercedes wheels is that the lacquer lifts and corrosion sets in with winter salt, brake dust and so on. I think the answer to your question is that a neglected set of turbines will have a negative impact but, actually, anyone buying a car second-hand in the future will expect to buy a new set of rims.
The good news about the standard rims is that they are relatively inexpensive - abount £350 each here in the UK, maybe $500 in the US, alot less than some more exclusive after-market wheels.
The Turbines are more difficult to keep clean and I think over a couple of years, all but the most fanatical owners will start to neglect them. It fascinates me here in London how many upmarket cars have wheels in the most awful condition, due partly to the amount of parking parallel to the roadside we do here. The rims are kerbed - ground against the side of the road and often look awful. In the US, there's much less of that style of parking and they will not suffer to the same extent.
I've long thought rims are the least durable part of any car and previous experience of Mercedes wheels is that the lacquer lifts and corrosion sets in with winter salt, brake dust and so on. I think the answer to your question is that a neglected set of turbines will have a negative impact but, actually, anyone buying a car second-hand in the future will expect to buy a new set of rims.
