MBH motorsports

Just seeing if there is any interest in me developing some mufflers for the SL? I've noticed side, buy side the SL55 muffler is not as aggressive as the CLS. My car is getting new mufflers next week some time. Is it worth it for me to jig it up? I would love to hear some insight? What you would like to see in an aftermarket muffler set up? Not sure what a price point would be, but I'll make it as affordable as possible. I could bring this to market pretty fast.
Edit: I can also hand make the tips to look exactly like AMG tips

MBH motorsports

Looks like I break ground on this project Thursday... Part of me is wanting to use 4 mufflers rather than a standard muffler. All I know is before it hits the market it will sound ripping, Maybe even have a butterfly valve or 2... Im thinking price point around $1499 fingers crossed.. As a long time music player Tone is king, so I will be working on that.

I hope to go head to head with any Aftermarket muffler maker for Mercedes. At a much more affordable price. Lastly we are talking a 100% bolt-on/stock hangers system.

dacls63amg

I would love to get the sound like the meisterschaft exhaust gives off. That exhaust sounds badass but for 3k I don't know. Keep us updated!

ob1canobe

I'm also interested in getting some "sound" tone out of my CLS550 exhaust....

kamilclk430

Im always down

kustom2k1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kS-lOufjk18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiIja...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is9ea...eature=related

The images are the exhaust system on the car in the vids, if you can make my SL55 sing that song...Im all in!

NikleinR6

If you can make this ^ full system for 1499.00 consider 1 set sold.....
Nick

kustom2k1

Nik your dreaming, but then again doesn't hurt to ask . Your looking at 5k+ for that system and that's if its made in China.

MBH motorsports

Its got to sound good, so lets not jump the gun yet lol. After a rev test next to my brothers CLS55 my SL sound kind of wimpy and I have no primary cats or resonators..

BTW how makes that?

NikleinR6

Sarcasm my friend...
Vague i know...

But yeah, it would be nice..Hehe

-Nick

NikleinR6

I also have the resonators removed and no secondary cats.. IMO my car sounds awesome. WOT could sound a little more refined though.. Some of my friends like it, others say it sounds like my motor is coming apart > hehe..

-Nick

MBH motorsports

Here's a question... What are you guys feeling for tips? Titanium/blue? AMG style (cant go wrong with those) Updated interpretation of the AMG style tips? Feed back would be great. I can make just about any style of tip just based on a picture

We made these by hand for a customers E550. In fact we made the who exhaust system.

kustom2k1

The system was made by someone who is considered the best in the business in Japan, they call him the "Master"...that's all I know..
The system is a work of art and would be very difficult to duplicate.

Havoc

These S-class mufflers look bad a$$ but not sure if they would fit and how they sound..

I would like a muffler with one 3" pipe in and two pipes out though!

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mcw

keen to see an exhaust system using the Mercedes-AMG new style quad tips used by E63 and S63 / CL63 with M157.

NikleinR6

What is required to be able to weld/bend titanium pipe. If I were to make a full exhaust system, I would use titanium from the headers back. The weight savings would be enormous, and our cars could definitely use some Jenny Craig.

kamilclk430

These things should be great

Sunir

hooley I think we are talking about all sound here and no performance gain correct? The stock amg mufflers are straight thru design so I cannot imagine any hp/tq gain from going with another setup, just talking rear mufflers to rear mufflers, not resonator or cats, both of which when deleted should produce a performance gain.

Havoc

Yeah, no performance gain will be achieved from a muffler change. It will only be a change in sound. We will see performance gain from a cat delete though, but not from a resonator delete since it is a straight through design. I know because when I removed my resonators I could see straight through them.

MBH motorsports

Sound, form, and fuction is the main goal here. If there is any power to be had it wont be much.

NikleinR6

This is why we need someone to put a system together made from Titanium. The stock exhaust system is VERY HEAVY (well over 100lbs). The weight savings of switching to Ti would be substantial..

-Nick

Sunir

true weight savings would be had with titanium, but the cost would be significant. The weight savings overall on the SL need to be considerable for any real performance gains, even with shaving some weight off the exhaust system the cumulative weight is still too much on the SL... and the exhasut being static (or "sprung") weight, the reduction does not make nearly as much a difference as if it were dynamic or "unsprung" weight such as axles, wheels, control arms, etc...

want to make the SL go really fast...much lighter 18" wheels, lighter seats, carbon fiber body panels, make it a permanent fixed roof and remove the weight from the room mechanism....there's a good start

Havoc

And the weight savings in your wallet from switching to Ti would be substantial as well. An exhaust system in Ti would easily add to over $5K.

The Ti connecting rods I'm ordering are $10K..

MBH motorsports

Weight saving from the bottom of the car is not the most ideal spot. If you want titanium.. Once the kit is in production It would be very easy to make out of Titanium. However it would be $$$$$$

Sunir

Correct, weight saving from higher on the chassis is better for static wieght, Hooley is spot on. This is why race cars have cf roofs and why I think sunroofs are useless, cutting a hole and adding weight so high in the chassis is not optimal. The SL's pano roof option is less desirable for me for this reason. Then again, everything on the SL represents "heavy" design principles so what's a few extra lbs up top when you are already 4000+ lbs.

The SL will never be a light and nimble unless some HUGE weight savings are done, an exhaust here and there will make negligible difference in performance. Aside from massive reductions in static weight, mainly from higer in the chassis to lower in the chassis in order of greatest benefit, there are in my estimate 2 ways to make efficiency on the SL without worrying about static weight reduction, they are:

(1) lessen rotating mass...make the drivetrain more efficient, lighter rods, pistons, knife edge the crank, in essence reduce work or load on the mechanical engine assmebly and driveline assmebly, cf driveshaft helps here also
(2) Reduce dynamic bias - lessen load on unsprung componentry such as brake rotors, calipers, wheels, tires, thrust arms, control arms, springs, dampers, bearings and subframe assmblies (count as half measure reduction)

hope this helps