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W210 E50 better than w210 E55?

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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 08:49 AM
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W210 E50 better than w210 E55?

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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 08:59 AM
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What does the E50 look like? Got pics? Actually never mind. Just saw your other thread about this and IMO the E55 still looks better. The tail light on the E50 looks kind of bland (got that circle thing going on) compared to the E55 without it. Just my 2 cents.

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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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I know some members mentioned about this..... but why did MB move from 4 valves back to 3 valves and now to 4 valves again?
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 12:16 PM
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E50? I thought that was the E500? i know that AMG and Porsche made it together and that it is rare, but was it really an E50 AMG?
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 02:57 PM
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I know some members mentioned about this..... but why did MB move from 4 valves back to 3 valves and now to 4 valves again?
At the time it was economics and they felt they could make the 3 valve motor just as if not more efficient. Believe it or not!
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Old Jan 26, 2006 | 03:04 PM
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E50? I thought that was the E500? i know that AMG and Porsche made it together and that it is rare, but was it really an E50 AMG?
That was in the 124 E class body the porsche built one that is !The 5.0L motor in the 98-2002 W210 body is a M113 3 valve per cylinder. The E50 AMG (Europe only) is the one in the ebay link.Porsche had nothing to do with that one if I recollect.Maybe someone can chime in.
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Mercedes went to the three valve engine to meet emissions requirements. The three valve engine, at the time, heated the catalytic converters faster and in doing so the engine could pass the newer stricter emissions laws.

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I had heard that Mercedes had to get away from the 4 valve motor because of patent issues. Can anyone confirm this?
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Originally Posted by coolcarlskiC43
That was in the 124 E class body the porsche built one that is !The 5.0L motor in the 98-2002 W210 body is a M113 3 valve per cylinder. The E50 AMG (Europe only) is the one in the ebay link.Porsche had nothing to do with that one if I recollect.Maybe someone can chime in.
i used to have 1, it was my 1st car (124 e500, 94)
the best car mercedes has ever made in my opinion , 2 bad i let my 15yo friend drive it, ****er crashed it into a curb and damaged the frame.
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Mercedes went to the three valve engine to meet emissions requirements. The three valve engine, at the time, heated the catalytic converters faster and in doing so the engine could pass the newer stricter emissions laws.
I doubt that!How does that make sense!What's BMW's excuse because all their engines have 4valves per cylinder as does Audi (5v)per cyl,Lexus (4v per)V8 and many others? Alot of it had to do with economics concerning MB and they felt they could make the M113 just as efficient as the M119(32v) spending less $$.Another reason why they use the M113 engine in so many of their V8 cars is because of financial economics.The MB V8 also can share alot of parts with the V6 by the way.Nissan does the same thing they use their v6 in many of their cars and trucks.Financial economics.The M119 motor simply cost more $$ to build with it's multi valve variable timing notched forged piston and forged crank engine.

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I doubt that!How does that make sense!What's BMW's excuse because all their engines have 4valves per cylinder as does Audi (5v)per cyl,Lexus (4v per)V8 and many others? Alot of it had to do with economics concerning MB and they felt they could make the M113 just as efficient as the M119(32v) spending less $$.Another reason why they use the M113 engine in so many of their V8 cars is because of financial economics.The MB V8 also can share alot of parts with the V6 by the way.Nissan does the same thing they use their v6 in many of their cars and trucks.Financial economics.The M119 motor simply cost more $$ to build with it's multi valve variable timing notched forged piston and forged crank engine.
it was done to reduce emissions
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I doubt that!How does that make sense!What's BMW's excuse because all their engines have 4valves per cylinder as does Audi (5v)per cyl,Lexus (4v per)V8 and many others? Alot of it had to do with economics concerning MB and they felt they could make the M113 just as efficient as the M119(32v) spending less $$.Another reason why they use the M113 engine in so many of their V8 cars is because of financial economics.The MB V8 also can share alot of parts with the V6 by the way.Nissan does the same thing they use their v6 in many of their cars and trucks.Financial economics.The M119 motor simply cost more $$ to build with it's multi valve variable timing notched forged piston and forged crank engine.
Do your research! Mercedes' official stance on the conversion from the 4-valve to the 3-valve was done to meet new emissions requirements. The 3-valve head with a single exhaust valve configuration, at the time, heated the catalytic converters faster than the 4-valve head with two exhaust valves.
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Old Jan 28, 2006 | 07:51 AM
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Spoke to someone about it and they state that we are both correct.MB baiscally created a V8 that was cheaper(less parts) to build and that would deal with the emissions better and still create more TQ and HP.3 valves per does make a difference emissions wise and has an effect on the velocity of the gasses in the combustion chamber both in and out.
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http://www.benzworld.org/forums/foru...&posts=4&fid=6 All about the diffrencies between the W210 E50 and the W210 E55.
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