Kleemann vs AMS headers
06-09-2012, 12:14 PM
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By looking at the pictures of the kleemann, I think I did the right thing by just getting the shortie headers as the close up picture shows the size of the header itself pretty much similar. The big difference is the collector pipe which is much bigger connecting the downpipe where the primary cats reside. The difference in gains vs the shorties are definately on the collector piping down to the downpipe (No primary cats). But the trouble out weights the gains. Unless I am tweeking it myself, having to go back to the shop to adjust them would be a pain. As far as CEL goes, Cory can take care of that which is great.
UNLESS, that is unless if Kleenman were to lower their prices a few hundred dollars more, the long headers would be hard to knock as they would definately be the better choices
UNLESS, that is unless if Kleenman were to lower their prices a few hundred dollars more, the long headers would be hard to knock as they would definately be the better choices
06-09-2012, 11:51 PM
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OBX Headers
WoWW!! Is this for REAL???
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBX-HEADER-E...3b590a&vxp=mtr
I think I should buy it and resell em....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OBX-HEADER-E...3b590a&vxp=mtr
I think I should buy it and resell em....
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07-12-2012, 02:47 PM
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RENNTech Shortie Headers for Sale
07-12-2012, 07:21 PM
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Fabio Daniel
08-22-2012, 04:03 PM
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Here are a set of W210 E55 AMG headers on ebay for $499 shipped ... that's one heck of a deal. Hard to beat that ...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...c478e5&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...c478e5&vxp=mtr
11-29-2012, 10:42 PM
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Headers
Hi folks. I just wanted to say that I have my AMS headers and pulley in my car for 10 months now and have not had any problems. After reading Desired_Speeds post on AMS headers under 20k mi. - CRACKED! I got worried.
For something under $500 I still think it is a great deal. Before putting them in, just make sure they are totally flat on both flanges. I think that is the most important thing about these headers. With the price that reasonable, I still think milling them to fit right the first time is still less expensive than paying thousands of dollars for some kleemann that still might have the same problem or worst.
A member on this post CLS Rabbit wrote about the kleeman he had on his car which have problems too. The downpipes are too low and hang too close to the heat shield…..
For something under $500 I still think it is a great deal. Before putting them in, just make sure they are totally flat on both flanges. I think that is the most important thing about these headers. With the price that reasonable, I still think milling them to fit right the first time is still less expensive than paying thousands of dollars for some kleemann that still might have the same problem or worst.
A member on this post CLS Rabbit wrote about the kleeman he had on his car which have problems too. The downpipes are too low and hang too close to the heat shield…..
Just some info for everyone. I purchased and installed a set of Kleemann headers last week from Kleemann Usa. First off the headers are made in China. The quality of them is not what I would expect from Kleemann. The welds where the runners meet each other on the inside could have been smoothed out. They are very lumpy and the hole itself is not even. The drivers side downpipe hangs low, needed to be massaged into place and rubs the heatshield on the steering knuckle. It actually got ripped off because my steering wheel got stuck while I was making a turn and I almost crashed, so I yanked the wheel to straighten out and it ripped off. I am in no way bashing Kleemann. I emailed Cory and voiced my opinions and concerns. He said he will let people at Kleemann world headquarters know about the issues. I still think that these will make more hp than AMS just by the design, but the installation process may be a little difficult for some do it yourselfers. Here are a few pics. I wish I took some pictures of the inside for you guys.
12-01-2012, 08:55 AM
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Last time I checked, it's $1000 for the Kleemann and surely produce more power than AMS. I just don't know how he found out is made in China ? when i bought my header for W211, i didn't see any where shows country of origin. I also asked Cory and told me was made in Austria.
12-01-2012, 03:21 PM
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I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were made in China My friend put kleemann headers on his CLS63 and the headers didn't even fit until the installer drilled out some of the flange holes. The cat delete sections weren't the right angle to attach to the downpipes and the steering shaft hit the headers when he turned left. One of the bolt holes for the headers didn't allow a socket to fully seat on the nut. He emailed Cory about that and never got a response.
We ended up taking them off and putting ARH long tubes on.
We ended up taking them off and putting ARH long tubes on.
12-01-2012, 11:33 PM
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Original Kleemann
The original Kleemann headers which were made in Austria had independent flanges head tubes coming out to the collector down pipe. Later, when they are made in china, they have the head tubes attached to a flat flange which is much easier to made.
Here's a picture of the original kleemann headers vs the later version. These cost $3000 back in the days
Here's a picture of the original kleemann headers vs the later version. These cost $3000 back in the days
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12-02-2012, 06:21 AM
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when Kleemans were manufactured in Austria, they were better manufactured?
Austrians are like germans, they have great pride in their work.
Now that they being made in Asia are they inferior than Austrian made headers?
Is this chinese manufacturer that bad in manufactoring Kleeman headers?
Might come and bite Kleeman headquarters in the a$$ when people complaint about bad quality performance parts or people stop buying them?
Kleeman might degrade their brand.
desired speeds:
How did you find out they were manufactured in China?
Does it say MIC on these headers?
Austrians are like germans, they have great pride in their work.
Now that they being made in Asia are they inferior than Austrian made headers?
Is this chinese manufacturer that bad in manufactoring Kleeman headers?
Might come and bite Kleeman headquarters in the a$$ when people complaint about bad quality performance parts or people stop buying them?
Kleeman might degrade their brand.
desired speeds:
How did you find out they were manufactured in China?
Does it say MIC on these headers?
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12-02-2012, 07:56 AM
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I think Kleemann like most companies out there would like to sell their goods cheaper then the next competitor and corner the market. I don't bash Chinese products. If you get a good mill factory out there, I think they could make very good quality stuff. It's just that when the business start making money, more less experience guys pop up saying "I can do that too for cheaper" and that's when that standard of manufacturing goes south.
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12-02-2012, 01:05 PM
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$1k is really too good to be true for headers. I rather pay a bit more to get a better quality one than fixing it every year. I just hope mine will last longer or the worse case, I will put back the OEM.
12-02-2012, 11:11 PM
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OBX are total crap, they are the lowest quality by far. From what I understand AMS is no longer in business and they haven't been for sale for a long time.
Kleemann are obviously way more expensive, almost double the price.
There are replica headers now available on ebay now for only $450:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...f4277a&vxp=mtr
Kleemann are obviously way more expensive, almost double the price.
There are replica headers now available on ebay now for only $450:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...f4277a&vxp=mtr
12-02-2012, 11:13 PM
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I also believe kleemann are not direct bolt on, where as the AMS/replica ebay design are direct bolt on and can retain stock cats. At half the price and less labor involved the shorty design is a great compromise from what I have read on MBworld.
12-02-2012, 11:37 PM
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There are replica headers now available on ebay now for only $450:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...f4277a&vxp=mtr
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Ben...f4277a&vxp=mtr
12-02-2012, 11:44 PM
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Just think how many V8 210 Mercedes were made from 1998 to 2002. Lot's of opportunity to spread the initial jig cost over many units. I could have custom headers made for $750 all day long if I ordered at least of 10 or more sets at a time. Making headers is not rocket science.
12-02-2012, 11:45 PM
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#2 cracked headers: https://mbworld.org/forums/engine-pe...y-headers.html
04-05-2013, 10:58 AM
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Hi,
Just want to let you guys know on the progress of the AMS headers as they are coming into almost a year now. They have been great so far. Knock on wood...no cracks...my last mod on the car were the two 2nd cat delete and with the ecu adapting to just the two cats...I notice that lately, the engine and exhaust sounded more and more like an american V8 when you press on the gas pedal rather then the subtle sound of the german engine.....loving it
I have also notice the traffic on this forum has died down a lot. Kind of sad to see you guys move on to newer and "better" vehicles but the W210 E55 is IMHO the best NA AMG sedan made.
Just want to let you guys know on the progress of the AMS headers as they are coming into almost a year now. They have been great so far. Knock on wood...no cracks...my last mod on the car were the two 2nd cat delete and with the ecu adapting to just the two cats...I notice that lately, the engine and exhaust sounded more and more like an american V8 when you press on the gas pedal rather then the subtle sound of the german engine.....loving it
I have also notice the traffic on this forum has died down a lot. Kind of sad to see you guys move on to newer and "better" vehicles but the W210 E55 is IMHO the best NA AMG sedan made.
04-05-2013, 01:50 PM
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Hi,
Just want to let you guys know on the progress of the AMS headers as they are coming into almost a year now. They have been great so far. Knock on wood...no cracks...my last mod on the car were the two 2nd cat delete and with the ecu adapting to just the two cats...I notice that lately, the engine and exhaust sounded more and more like an american V8 when you press on the gas pedal rather then the subtle sound of the german engine.....loving it
I have also notice the traffic on this forum has died down a lot. Kind of sad to see you guys move on to newer and "better" vehicles but the W210 E55 is IMHO the best NA AMG sedan made.
Just want to let you guys know on the progress of the AMS headers as they are coming into almost a year now. They have been great so far. Knock on wood...no cracks...my last mod on the car were the two 2nd cat delete and with the ecu adapting to just the two cats...I notice that lately, the engine and exhaust sounded more and more like an american V8 when you press on the gas pedal rather then the subtle sound of the german engine.....loving it
I have also notice the traffic on this forum has died down a lot. Kind of sad to see you guys move on to newer and "better" vehicles but the W210 E55 is IMHO the best NA AMG sedan made.
04-05-2013, 01:55 PM
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Well.... I am still here ! just no much to post for my W210. I just wash it last week keep it very clean. But no plan to mod it. Just want to keep it stock.
