Kleemann vs AMS headers
03-01-2012, 10:49 AM
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03-01-2012, 12:04 PM
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Fabio I told you come to the states and we can race for it 
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you are the man! i love the look of your engine bay with this box bro, we can make a deal, you send me your renntech airbox and i send to you a new radiator hose hanger (YOU NEED ONE FOR SURE & I NEED CARBON AND +HP) jajajajajajjaajaYeah! what about abalon's car? he have some problems with trans slippage long time ago
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03-01-2012, 01:48 PM
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03-01-2012, 01:49 PM
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A stock W210 E55 weighs about 3700 lbs. and will run a 13.3 second 1/4 mile. To run a 12 second 1/4 mile you would need to shave 1.3 seconds off of your time, 50 HP will not shave 1.3 seconds off of your time
The first Audi R8 (4.2L V8) was 424 HP, 3600 lbs, and ran a 1/4 mile in 12.5 seconds. Its about 200 lbs heavier but with 24 more horse power and is no where near 11 seconds.
The C63 AMG is 480 HP, 3900 lbs, and runs a 12.4 second 1/4 mile
Check out this link:
http://robrobinette.com/et.htm
The calculator is accurate within a couple tenths, using the calculator and the 3700 lbs + 400 HP you get about a 12.9 second 1/4 mile which sounds pretty accurate.
Like I stated before you would need to be @ 500 HP+ or lose about 700-1000 lbs to get into the 11's.
The first Audi R8 (4.2L V8) was 424 HP, 3600 lbs, and ran a 1/4 mile in 12.5 seconds. Its about 200 lbs heavier but with 24 more horse power and is no where near 11 seconds.
The C63 AMG is 480 HP, 3900 lbs, and runs a 12.4 second 1/4 mile
Check out this link:
http://robrobinette.com/et.htm
The calculator is accurate within a couple tenths, using the calculator and the 3700 lbs + 400 HP you get about a 12.9 second 1/4 mile which sounds pretty accurate.
Like I stated before you would need to be @ 500 HP+ or lose about 700-1000 lbs to get into the 11's.
If thats the case, there are 2 or 3 Stock W211 run 11.8 and it weight 4100Lbs approx. Maybe the extra torque help a lot......
03-01-2012, 02:47 PM
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Kleemann Supercharger
Check this thing out guys...someone is selling a Kleemann supercharger on the classified....
03-01-2012, 03:02 PM
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03-01-2012, 04:05 PM
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03-01-2012, 06:26 PM
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the front looking with the pulley...that Kleemann SC...this with the Kleeman headers....woooowwww
03-03-2012, 08:37 PM
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Loctite 272
Allow me to chime in. Having the AMS pulley myself. Don't be scared the only issue the user will have is what I like to call user error. The andy shop has installed them incorrectly in addition they probably didn't use lock tight and torqued to spec (this is on the install sheet that is provided with the pulley) nor did they probably have it re-torqued after a few thousand miles. We drive these cars hard. I have mine looked at whenever I'm in the Andy shop just for safety check. Just with any mod you will have to keep an eye on it.
You can definitely feel the difference down low and up top. with the headers and the pulley on a NA along with res delete/ high flows /x-pipe you are squeezing whatever HP/TQ AMG left behind. Which is not much... For the money it's not a bad investment as the headers are now $650
I'm pulling the trigger today for the AMS headers then Tune then next project
Armani
the only issue the user will have is what I like to call user error. The andy shop has installed them incorrectly in addition they probably didn't use lock tight and torqued to spec (this is on the install sheet that is provided with the pulley) nor did they probably have it re-torqued after a few thousand miles. We drive these cars hard. I have mine looked at whenever I'm in the Andy shop just for safety check. Just with any mod you will have to keep an eye on it.You can definitely feel the difference down low and up top.
with the headers and the pulley on a NA along with res delete/ high flows /x-pipe you are squeezing whatever HP/TQ AMG left behind. Which is not much... For the money it's not a bad investment as the headers are now $650I'm pulling the trigger today for the AMS headers then Tune
then next projectArmani
Torque (Break): 200 in lb
Torque (Prevail): 220 in lb
Temp. Range: -65.0 F [Min], 450.0 F [Max]
Fix Cure Time @ Temp.: 30 min @ 77 F
Full Cure Time @ Temp.: 24 h @ 77 F
Chemical Compound: Acrylic
Applications: Thread
Applicable Materials: Most Metals
Curing Method: Anaerobic
Resistance: Air Reference
This stuff is serious. If I apply the 272 and torque the pulley to 180lb (recomended OEM is 150lb) that should hold up as the loctite's breaking point is 200lb.
Last edited by snooozie; 03-03-2012 at 08:40 PM.
03-13-2012, 10:53 PM
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I think well into the 12's are achievable...with Kleemann headers, K&Ns, no cats, dual exhaust and a Eurocharged custom tune I got a 12.79 on worn out street tires. The track prep was pretty decent, but I still couldn't launch at a good RPM without wheelspin through 1st and 2nd. The C55 N/A record is at 12.21 @113 but he went a bit further with removing weight and had drag radials as well. Not a whole lot of difference in weight between the C55 and a W210 55...
03-13-2012, 11:35 PM
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03-14-2012, 12:48 AM
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I think well into the 12's are achievable...with Kleemann headers, K&Ns, no cats, dual exhaust and a Eurocharged custom tune I got a 12.79 on worn out street tires. The track prep was pretty decent, but I still couldn't launch at a good RPM without wheelspin through 1st and 2nd. The C55 N/A record is at 12.21 @113 but he went a bit further with removing weight and had drag radials as well. Not a whole lot of difference in weight between the C55 and a W210 55...
I agree, 12's are doable but 11's, no way. Not @ 400 hp and 3600+ lbs. Just like you posted, the C55 record is 12.21 WITH weight reduction, the W203 C55 is lighter than the W210 E55 to begin with
W203 C55 = 3550 lbs
W210 E55 = 3700 lbs
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04-28-2012, 10:39 PM
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Guys,
I finally got a chance to install the AMS headers and they came out awesome!! I took some pictures of the finish product as I was not there when my mechanic put them in. The sound at first is the same as when I took it in to the shop but after a few days of driving, the exhaust really sound good. I think, like the x-pipe/delete resonator, over time, the exhaust sound louder. It might take a few weeks to have the ecu adapt to the new headers. I can already feel the grawl of the engine at higher revs...
I finally got a chance to install the AMS headers and they came out awesome!! I took some pictures of the finish product as I was not there when my mechanic put them in. The sound at first is the same as when I took it in to the shop but after a few days of driving, the exhaust really sound good. I think, like the x-pipe/delete resonator, over time, the exhaust sound louder. It might take a few weeks to have the ecu adapt to the new headers. I can already feel the grawl of the engine at higher revs...
04-29-2012, 08:03 AM
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04-30-2012, 11:03 PM
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I was thinking about it. http://jannettyracing.com/dragday.shtml here in Waterbury, where I got the headers sand down, can do dyno. I have to get some new plug wires first before doing that. I am ordering some 2.5" stainless pipes to replace the second cats. I just want to enjoy my new mod for now....got to enjoy one mod at a time
05-15-2012, 02:24 PM
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I notice in one of the pictures in the W211 forum regarding the OEM exhaust manifold in the 55K engine is the same exact manifold as the NA 55. Just curious, can someone confirm to me that both the manifolds are the same?? For those of you who have both the kompressor and the NA engine, could you check if the manifolds (headers) are the same?
I would imagine its the same headers as the engine is the same M113 right?
I would imagine its the same headers as the engine is the same M113 right?
Last edited by snooozie; 05-15-2012 at 02:26 PM.
05-15-2012, 02:54 PM
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I think they are the same. I have not check my W210 but from few pix i see in forum, looks the same as my W211. I still have my W211 header in my garage....
05-15-2012, 08:14 PM
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05-15-2012, 08:55 PM
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CharlyE500 can you take a picture of you manifolds when you have a chance. I have never really seen one up close of the 55k. You can post it here. I thought they look the same. What is the difference....is it bigger or shape different. I know mine is kind of hollow between the aluminium wrap to the pipe. Just curious.
I can never understand why they took the trouble to wrap the manifold.....maybe to numb out the sound....
I can never understand why they took the trouble to wrap the manifold.....maybe to numb out the sound....
05-16-2012, 01:25 PM
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CharlyE500 can you take a picture of you manifolds when you have a chance. I have never really seen one up close of the 55k. You can post it here. I thought they look the same. What is the difference....is it bigger or shape different. I know mine is kind of hollow between the aluminium wrap to the pipe. Just curious.
I can never understand why they took the trouble to wrap the manifold.....maybe to numb out the sound....
I can never understand why they took the trouble to wrap the manifold.....maybe to numb out the sound....
05-16-2012, 08:33 PM
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Here is something:
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...ders-must.html
Telling you, if we can drum up 500 orders, MAC Exhaust in California will make us long tubes for between $400-$700 with good quality materials (not stainless).
https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...ders-must.html
Telling you, if we can drum up 500 orders, MAC Exhaust in California will make us long tubes for between $400-$700 with good quality materials (not stainless).
Last edited by Schweinhund; 05-16-2012 at 08:36 PM.
