cm60k

If we can’t recode the EGS through Star/SDS, is there a special tool that can be done...?

EGS51 doesn’t accept any kind of coding or reprogramming,, need to swap it to EGS52,, if so. which # we have to go with...??,

and i think recode the EGS52 can’t be done with an early version of (5W 1,2,3,4) shifter, isn’t...??

ZAYED,,

kaype

Hi Zayed,

EGS52 have several modeltypes stored. Actual i use a "A0345451032". This where used in W220, W215, W211 and R230 AMGs. So i can code any of these model types. But unfortunatelly only coded as 211076 / 211276 the car will start up. I think it hase something to do with the shifter... in knew for sure that the R230 shifter has the VIN coded to it so it may be the reason why the car wont start without the correct shifter.

I have a Star Diagnosis and with this you only can programm the EGS with the model types allready stored in the software. My perfect solution would be to code the EGS52 to an R230, because the R230 SL55 had a 2.82 diff to, but coded as R230 my car wont fire up

So i asked MKB Tuning and also i hooked up to Renntech ... both can do this hard recode of the EGS52 to switch the diff ratio for a explicit model type ... this means the switch the diff ratio directly in the software from 2.65 to 2.82 (regarding the W211). But just for trying this was a little to expensive for me because at this time i didnt knew if it will work at all ... maybe now i go back to 2.82 and let the egs recode at mkb or send it over to renntech.

we will see... first of all i had to get rid of the bad gearshift behavior ... therfore i will switch the solenoid these days ... it shifts OK but a little to rough for a mercedes

greetings, Fabian

cm60k

Thankss Fabian,,

As i know; all EGS models after 2003, programmed & combined with a tiptronic shifter to authorize starting through the ECU,,

maybe this is the reason that you have an interrupted signal, from the ECU to EGS during shifting,,

if you want to put the EGS file from R230, you need to coding the EGS, and you may need to put a data/sode to your ECU

for proper RPM ratio signal back to the EGS,,

when AMG made a W202 C55, they swapped the gear shifter to tiptronic & replaced the diff., from 3.07 to 2.82,

exactly like the W210 E55 set-up....

ZAYED,,

kaype

i dont think the rpm is the problem because of the transmission itself has several rpm sensors. i also checked the wiring diagrams ... the W210 and W211 EGS32 are exactly wired the same way ... no more or less cables. Power and Can on the one connector, Connection to the transmission on the other.

i just swaped my converter lookup clutch valve agains another ... no difference, still rough gearshifts. I changed it because i didnt knew what preasurevalves where installed ... brown or blue. I got the brown ones ... maybe i should swap them next against the blues.

i had to think about this a little

greetings, Fabian

cm60k

I agree, blue solenoids is a great upgrade, just put them, and rise the pressure through the EGS,,

do you have the update Valve body.....??

ZAYED,,

kaype

as far as i knew the brown valves where installed until 2005? so i think i have one of the first 722.643 ... dont know what differenc the "update valve body" makes.

greetings

cm60k

*If you have the V/B started with "140", means you don’t have the update V/B with brown solenoids,

*If you have the V/B started with "211", means you have the update V/B with updated control valve solenoid #,

from "140 277 00 35" to "04 35", with brown solenoids,

*if you have V/B started with "240", means you have the last updated V/B with updated control valve solenoid #,

from "140 277 00 35" to "04 35", with blue solenoids....

ZAYED,,

kaype

The converter lookup clutch valve has 1402770435 (both, the one installed and the one i used for replacement) regarding to the EPC this is the most recent.

The "brown" Valves have 140... Numbers.

i think i will replace the brown ones with blue ones ...

cm60k

The brown solenoids should has "203" #, and the blue solenoids comes with "240" #,,

before changing the solenoids, you should to confirm you have the V/B

"140 270 06 06" or "211 270 00 06"

ZAYED,,

cm60k

Did you change your converter, or using the W210 one.....??

ZAYED,,

kaype

Its the converter from the SL55 ... the one from my w210 was "broken"

i got the SL55 Transmission (722.643), the converter and the egs52 all in one package for 500 Euro (around 600$) ... couldn´t say no to this offer

Old Tranny with converter "stucked": http://www.kaype.net/temp/w210/e55_15.jpg ... the complete transmission was lifted in the air on that picture ... source was a defective input shaft bearing wich completly broke and blocked the whole transmission ... this made the converter stuck and the wohle package a large (and heavy) pile of metal junk

here the destroyed tranmission housing: http://www.kaype.net/temp/w210/e55_19.jpg

greetings, Fabian

cm60k

Sorry to hear about loosing your stock tranny,, but this is great offer to forget that broken guy...,

Do you know any professional, that can code my early version EGS, or if im thinking to change my diff. ratio,

can he able to make it work, if so, this also will help other friends here, if they decide that as well....

ZAYED,,

kaype

for sure i know that MKB Germany do this mods and i also had contact to someone from rennTECH here in germany ... so i would suggest you to contact rennTECH USA.

greetings, Fabian

cm60k

Do you mean "Bob Brady". from(RennTech)....??

ZAYED,,

kaype

Nope, i where in contact with someone from germany working for renntech, but i did not hear anything from him since month so i dont know if he is still here or in the usa ... but i could check.

greetings, Fabian

cm60k

Thankss,,

I contacted with (RENNtech) Bob Brady, for another subject, around year ago, his a great helpFUL guy..,

as well as; (MKB) Hamann Bader, he modified my 722.6 tranny "2" years ago, fantastic guy of course..,,

i hope any one of them could help....

ZAYED,,

ML63 AMG

For the record, I had my old 722.6 internals professionally rebuilt the internals to much tighter tolerances on the clutch packs and the shifting time improved drastically. That's as with no software modifications. With a proper TCU tune, the old 722.6 can shift with the best of them (even better than the newer 7 speed). Only downside is no True manual mode, but that can be corrected with software too).

cm60k

Interesting,,

what kind of modified 722.6, you had...?, did you modified by yourself....??

and did you increase the torque...???

ZAYED,,

ML63 AMG

It was w208 clk55 AMG 722.6 (same as the w210 e55). I had a performance shop rebuild it here in Texas. The transmission was good for 600+ HP/TQ easy and made the car so much more fun and lively to drive. It reduced shift times by roughly 50% alone. Wth software you could probably reduce another 25% as well.

cm60k

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ZAYED,,

sickc43owner

Kaype
I'm trying to wrap my head around what you have done with the egs52 and wiring. I've consulted 202/210 with and without tiptronic
The pin input locations at the Egs module are identical with the exception of the inputs to selector module snd a couple other perimeters
When I look at the 203/211/230 Egs wiring there all the same with very different wiring locations most noticeable the can lines high and low. The only way possible I see to make one of these modules work would be to rewire some terminals .
Is must be that those who are replacing there old modules 0215458732 are getting the same module just in a newer software version egs52 because mb is no longer selling a reman part
Your thoughts please

kaype

i didnt rewire anything. Original my EGS was an EGS51 from the W210 E430, swapped to a EGS52 from a late W210 E55 and finaly now to a EGS52 form a W211 E55. The all have the same connector to the tranny and can bus ... no rewiring needed. If you have the non-tiptronic shifter you have a lot more cables on the egs for all the switches and values the tiptronic shifter transmits via can.

i´ll get the "blue cap" Solenoids for my tranny today ... hopefully the last shiftingproblem are gone then. i have very(!) rough shifts from 5-4 and 4-3.

i will report

kaype

i dont know who i must thank the most ... but if i am ever able to buy him a beer ... i will do so!

i switched the two Solenoid from 140... part number to the ones with 240... part number. And thank god! WOW ... i´ve go a new transmission! The shifts are smoother then ever, it absolutly shift PERFECTLY!

YES!

W210 E55 with 722.643 Speedshift Transmission and REAL M-Mode! i like!

Here are some pic i took:

The two valves ...


transmission


getting rid of the "old" oil ... been in the tranny for 3 days


oilpan removed


removed shifting mechanics


left the new one, right the old one


brown vs. blue


Everything put together ... oil filled in ... HAPPY!



greetings, Fabian

Pauljay

Hi Fabian,

One favour deserves another! We're all here to help and to learn from experiences.

I'm glad you like it and it worked out for you!

Hopefully later in the week I can get my Tech to code my EGS52 so that it works in my car. I've been busy getting a custom tune done, this and my Quaife LSD are the last of my power mods.

Are you going to get a tune on your TCU?

When I get mine to work that's what I'll be doing. My tuner says that I will then be able to handle more torque through the gears, faster shifting and I can program the TCU to shift at 6300rpm!

My tune lets me shift at 6300rpm manually but in 'D' my car shifts at 6000rpm.

I know I won't be able to get a true manual shift with paddles, (maybe that'll come later) but I'll have the effect of a manual shift with the stick which is still good!


Ps, Nice pictures by the way!

kaype

Hi Paul,

for now i am happy ... really happy ... with what i got No need for tuning for now.

Except one thing ... can you give me details on where the TCU shifts? I think the Supercharged M113 does a few more rpm then the NA M113. So my EGS things ... "ok, i´ll shift at 6300rpm" but the TCU regulates the enginespeed right before that point ... that is not bad, but lets you nod for a secound on a kickdown

Next steps will be new headers ... i´d like to buy the "old" Kleemann headers ... hopefully i get a pair soon

@photo ... unfortunately i only got my phone with me

greetings, Fabian