Run with a viper gts anyone???
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Run with a viper gts anyone???
I just came back from lunch and on the way a guy in a viper gts came up on me. His car was not stock at least not the exhaust or the rims. We never did have enough room to open them up with all the traffic. Has anyone ran with a viper before? I didnt think I could take him but was hoping he would spin tires and give me a chance to get out in front. I also ran into a new c6 yesterday but again no opening to let loose. Can we take a stock c6 in our stock cars? The c6 is rated at 0-60 in 4.3??
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Most of the better drivers on the board run 12.1-.2, with extreme examples running slightly quicker. That's on street tires. So yes, you'll have a chance against a Viper and you should definately take a C6 (but you will have to be lucky to take a C6 Z06) 
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My buddy had a 99 Viper GTS, we ran once and I rocked him..check out my post on "Kill Stories" ...anyway, we got up to 100 until a cop coming the other way pulled a U-turn. Luckily his car was yellow and the cop pulled him over. He asked the cop why he pulled him over and the cop replied "He was too fast for me" --priceless :v
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I have run a '96 GTS from a roll before. My car would lose about 1-1.5 car lengths per gear on him. From a dig we have the advantage of easy & consistent 60' times so it's very possible to beat any of those cars, but it won't be because we are faster, it'll be because we are quicker...
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Originally Posted by 06E55
I just came back from lunch and on the way a guy in a viper gts came up on me. His car was not stock at least not the exhaust or the rims. We never did have enough room to open them up with all the traffic. Has anyone ran with a viper before? I didnt think I could take him but was hoping he would spin tires and give me a chance to get out in front. I also ran into a new c6 yesterday but again no opening to let loose. Can we take a stock c6 in our stock cars? The c6 is rated at 0-60 in 4.3??
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Stock for stock, and assuming both are driven by good drivers and the Viper driver doesn't miss a gear or something, the Viper is a little faster. But the assumptions in that last sentence are important. One, as Marcus pointed out, it really doesn't take much of a driver to make an E go fast, so all the pressure is on the Viper driver; if he screws up, he's toast. Many of these guys who run around claiming they "killed" Vipers weren't driving a faster car (assuming they're even telling the truth), they were racing a car that's harder to drive, was in the wrong gear, the guy let out, etc. (that's not to suggest there aren't faster cars around than a lot of Vipers, just to point out that chance street encounters between strangers involve a lot of variables that are never known, so a lot of the bench racing doesn't mean a whole lot). So the two cars are close enough in performance that you have a chance with a stock Viper, especially given the much lower degree of difficulty factor involved in driving an E.
Two, and this is probably the more important issue, there are fewer and fewer stock Vipers out there, and more and more heads/cam and/or supercharged or turbocharged cars making some crazy amounts of power. The exhaust and wheels you noticed may be a sign that the guy had spent some more money on things you couldn't see that would significantly impact your chances. The fastest E55 on the street would be utterly destroyed by almost any FI Viper (again assuming no missed shifts and nothing breaks). There is no shame in losing, and the only way to find out if you have a chance is to go for it.
Two, and this is probably the more important issue, there are fewer and fewer stock Vipers out there, and more and more heads/cam and/or supercharged or turbocharged cars making some crazy amounts of power. The exhaust and wheels you noticed may be a sign that the guy had spent some more money on things you couldn't see that would significantly impact your chances. The fastest E55 on the street would be utterly destroyed by almost any FI Viper (again assuming no missed shifts and nothing breaks). There is no shame in losing, and the only way to find out if you have a chance is to go for it.
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Very true. There is a nice SC Viper running around here that cannot touch me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,for the first 60'. After that, 800 HP pretty much says it all. 
Anything with that much power is a handful without some type of TC, but once it gets going, dayum! 
Anything with that much power is a handful without some type of TC, but once it gets going, dayum!
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Anything with that much power is a handful without some type of TC, but once it gets going, dayum!
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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
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That was the point of my post earlier.
It's so much easier driving our cars, you just mash the gas and go (more or less). A Viper should run in the low 12-high 11s, box stock. It's just a lot more difficult for people to extract that performance, even more difficult if you don't run a sticky tire or if you're not a good driver.
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I ran with a 96 GTS on the highway when I was stock except for K&N air filters. He couldn't pull away from me and I actually started gaining on him at 130 - 140km/h.
These E55s have alot of top end power. Heck.. the have alot of low end power too.
These E55s have alot of top end power. Heck.. the have alot of low end power too.
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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
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When i first got my E55 in 2003 I lined up with a GTS (not the new ones) and told the guy before we raced that my car weighted at least 600 lbs more and that he should crush me. I didn't really know what my car had comparison wise. I had him by 2 cars to 80mph when I lifted for traffic and that was stock.
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Originally Posted by R. Range
So the Vipers ran 12.1 at 119 and 12.0 at 121? What did you mean by modded, a catback system and shift knob??
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Originally Posted by R. Range
So the Vipers ran 12.1 at 119 and 12.0 at 121? What did you mean by modded, a catback system and shift knob?? Ever line up with a FI Viper? Methinks it might be more than you could chew.
Ever line up with a FI Viper? Methinks it might be more than you could chew. r. range don't worry we all like vipers! and yes we know theres alot of mega hp vipers on the road that no one in a e55 would want any of. but stock to stock line'em up and I'll run em all day long on the st. thats all. stop defending them. we know you have one and its a touchy subject --you know? a 4000+ 4 door sedan beating a v10 muscle car. :p lolol its ok man.
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r. range don't worry we all like vipers! and yes we know theres alot of mega hp vipers on the road that no one in a e55 would want any of. but stock to stock line'em up and I'll run em all day long on the st. thats all. stop defending them. we know you have one and its a touchy subject --you know? a 4000+ 4 door sedan beating a v10 muscle car. :p lolol its ok man.
It's not a matter of defending Vipers (I have an E55 too after all and love it), I just pointed out the same things you did (that stock for stock it probably comes down to the driver with an edge to the E due to the auto, and that once you start talking about modified cars all bets are off because the Viper has far more potential for mods). If you're talking about my response to RennTech, I thought it was pretty misleading to talk about beating "modded" cars that are running near-stock times and trap speeds when there are so many cars out there now running 9's and 10's.
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Originally Posted by R. Range
If you're talking about my response to RennTech, I thought it was pretty misleading to talk about beating "modded" cars that are running near-stock times and trap speeds when there are so many cars out there now running 9's and 10's.
). I think that's what they are pointing out. I also say that a mod is a mod. It has has an ECU remap or cat back exhaust, it's not stock. I don't think any of us can argue that the Viper should beat the E55's with a above average driver behind the wheel. It's just that most of the one's you run into, the guys are average drivers at best that cannot run the car to it's potential. I have a guy in my area that has an 03 Viper with twin turbo's pushing 750hp to the wheels. I don't think he's got the car well into the 10's yet? I know he will and I know the car is capable but's its hit or miss.
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I agree with what you're saying. I think their are more guys with modded cars running near magazine stock times than there are of guys running stock cars with magazine times (did that make sense? ). I think that's what they are pointing out. I also say that a mod is a mod. It has has an ECU remap or cat back exhaust, it's not stock. I don't think any of us can argue that the Viper should beat the E55's with a above average driver behind the wheel. It's just that most of the one's you run into, the guys are average drivers at best that cannot run the car to it's potential. I have a guy in my area that has an 03 Viper with twin turbo's pushing 750hp to the wheels. I don't think he's got the car well into the 10's yet? I know he will and I know the car is capable but's its hit or miss.
). I think that's what they are pointing out. I also say that a mod is a mod. It has has an ECU remap or cat back exhaust, it's not stock. I don't think any of us can argue that the Viper should beat the E55's with a above average driver behind the wheel. It's just that most of the one's you run into, the guys are average drivers at best that cannot run the car to it's potential. I have a guy in my area that has an 03 Viper with twin turbo's pushing 750hp to the wheels. I don't think he's got the car well into the 10's yet? I know he will and I know the car is capable but's its hit or miss. Another thing to bear in mind, of course, is that racing at the track and racing on the street are two entirely different things. Racing for ET at a track depends tremendously on the launch, while most racing on the street is done from a roll, where who has the most power/torque is the larger factor. BTW, an '03 making 750 rwhp would actually be a very mild setup for TT's--his tuner may have kept the boost down because he didn't change out the factory cast pistons?
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Originally Posted by Fast55
Very true. There is a nice SC Viper running around here that cannot touch me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,for the first 60'. After that, 800 HP pretty much says it all. Anything with that much power is a handful without some type of TC, but once it gets going, dayum!
Anything with that much power is a handful without some type of TC, but once it gets going, dayum! Man there are some crazy vipers running around this valley too. Some crazy corvettes too, i went to the SCV Corvette club meeting, and not one of the C5s were stock. They all had LPE upgrades, or Nitrious upgrades.
Ive seen a few 800 hp Vipers running around.
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Originally Posted by R. Range
Good points. Another thing to bear in mind, of course, is that racing at the track and racing on the street are two entirely different things. Racing for ET at a track depends tremendously on the launch, while most racing on the street is done from a roll, where who has the most power/torque is the larger factor. BTW, an '03 making 750 rwhp would actually be a very mild setup for TT's--his tuner may have kept the boost down because he didn't change out the factory cast pistons?
Another thing to bear in mind, of course, is that racing at the track and racing on the street are two entirely different things. Racing for ET at a track depends tremendously on the launch, while most racing on the street is done from a roll, where who has the most power/torque is the larger factor. BTW, an '03 making 750 rwhp would actually be a very mild setup for TT's--his tuner may have kept the boost down because he didn't change out the factory cast pistons?
