What causes wheel hop?
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The actual cause of wheel hop is rotation of the the axle housing due to a sudden increase in torque. The pinion gear tries to walk up the ring gear, which causes the rotation. It will continue to rotate until the suspension/springs push back, which causes the suspension to unload, which in turn cause the wheels to hop. This interaction between the axle rotation and suspension will continue until torque is reduced enough to allow the suspension to react properly. Since wheel spin also occurs during wheel hop, I would think that the ESP would prevent it from happening - or at least limit it significantly. You're not driving around in dyno mode, are you?
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Originally Posted by Grumpy666
The actual cause of wheel hop is rotation of the the axle housing due to a sudden increase in torque. The pinion gear tries to walk up the ring gear, which causes the rotation. It will continue to rotate until the suspension/springs push back, which causes the suspension to unload, which in turn cause the wheels to hop. This interaction between the axle rotation and suspension will continue until torque is reduced enough to allow the suspension to react properly. Since wheel spin also occurs during wheel hop, I would think that the ESP would prevent it from happening - or at least limit it significantly. You're not driving around in dyno mode, are you?
I posted about a week ago, but no one replyed. I used to get some wheel hop on my 210, with the esp on, and while it hops - esp light is flashing.
Funny thing that my wheel hop is now gone, same roads...same level of accel....go figure, or may be I learned to modulate throttle better...
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I had this problem on my 208 CLK55 and know of a couple of 210 E55's that had the same problem. It only happened once in a while with just the wrong conditions......
I have never had this problem with the Kompressor cars.....
I have never had this problem with the Kompressor cars.....
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Originally Posted by Grumpy666
The actual cause of wheel hop is rotation of the the axle housing due to a sudden increase in torque. The pinion gear tries to walk up the ring gear, which causes the rotation. It will continue to rotate until the suspension/springs push back, which causes the suspension to unload, which in turn cause the wheels to hop. This interaction between the axle rotation and suspension will continue until torque is reduced enough to allow the suspension to react properly. Since wheel spin also occurs during wheel hop, I would think that the ESP would prevent it from happening - or at least limit it significantly. You're not driving around in dyno mode, are you?
BTW, what is Dyno mode and how can I tell if it is on or off?
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Grumpy , Great explanation!!. This car has the diff mounted solid ,in a subframe. Uses a torque tube to transfer the power to the diff. It is solid , with all most no end to end movement. I watch 5 - E55s at the drags , some with drag radials . Some without. All were newer cars. No Wheel hop. Since we do not know the year or mileage of this car with wheel hop. We can only guess that he has some worn rear suspension parts. Struts? , lower control arm bushings. . It has independant rear suspension. I like your method of explanation of events and how the occure. Good thinking , Glad you share this with us. ___PTE___
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Grumpy , Great explanation!!. This car has the diff mounted solid ,in a subframe. Uses a torque tube to transfer the power to the diff. It is solid , with all most no end to end movement. I watch 5 - E55s at the drags , some with drag radials . Some without. All were newer cars. No Wheel hop. Since we do not know the year or mileage of this car with wheel hop. We can only guess that he has some worn rear suspension parts. Struts? , lower control arm bushings. . It has independant rear suspension. I like your method of explanation of events and how the occure. Good thinking , Glad you share this with us. ___PTE___
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ResF may be on to something Thanks for the additional info. That wheel hop got to be un-nerving. Do you have something like ride control/ Sport mode or comfort ?
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Originally Posted by PTE
Grumpy , Great explanation!!. This car has the diff mounted solid ,in a subframe. Uses a torque tube to transfer the power to the diff. It is solid , with all most no end to end movement. I watch 5 - E55s at the drags , some with drag radials . Some without. All were newer cars. No Wheel hop. Since we do not know the year or mileage of this car with wheel hop. We can only guess that he has some worn rear suspension parts. Struts? , lower control arm bushings. . It has independent rear suspension. I like your method of explanation of events and how the occur. Good thinking , Glad you share this with us. ___PTE___
Usually on a drag car you either raise the tire air pressure or preferably hit the chassis with more power to overcome the tire shake.
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In the bad old solid axel days with leaf springs we had to stiffen the leaf springs with shackles to accomodate for more torque. If your shocks were bad that would cause the axel to "wrap up".
Are you in the soft suspension setting? Too stiff might affect it also.
I would try different inflation pressures in the rear tires making sure that they are exactly equivalent. Start with 35 psi then take a few pounds out to see if you can change the characteristics of the hop. You might then set it stiffer to a max of sport 2 and 40 psi to see if that changes it.
I fortunately don't have the first inkling of hop but I hope that we can sort this out for others that might have the same problem. My bet is something is a tad loose, bushing, linkage u joint etc.
Are you in the soft suspension setting? Too stiff might affect it also.
I would try different inflation pressures in the rear tires making sure that they are exactly equivalent. Start with 35 psi then take a few pounds out to see if you can change the characteristics of the hop. You might then set it stiffer to a max of sport 2 and 40 psi to see if that changes it.
I fortunately don't have the first inkling of hop but I hope that we can sort this out for others that might have the same problem. My bet is something is a tad loose, bushing, linkage u joint etc.
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You're going to experience wheel hop when the tires are fighting for traction (basically). You probably didn't experience it with the Conti's because they are not as sticky as the PS2's and they would just spin up. I have it once in a while when my tires are cold. Once I have heat in them, they hook and I'm gone. If you had a manual transmission you could solve the problem easy. You either ride the clutch to let the car hook or you give it more rpm before the launch to get the car spinning quicker.
