Kleemann K2 vs Evosport Stage 2....
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Even tho evosport is reputable tunner i'd still choose kleemann over evosport. Plus i bet you dont have an evosport dealer in Moscow. Which is faster? I think if its k2 pakage plus lsd K2 car would win.
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No We dont have Evosport in Moscow but We have all others including Kleemann's
What is more intresting to ME is why US cars with K2 are quited to make around 580 HP and European K2 kit makes around 560 HP ???
I also think that Kleemann should be faster due to their header desing and elumination of Primary CATS...but Evosport Headers I heard make more Torgues...
What is more intresting to ME is why US cars with K2 are quited to make around 580 HP and European K2 kit makes around 560 HP ???
I also think that Kleemann should be faster due to their header desing and elumination of Primary CATS...but Evosport Headers I heard make more Torgues...
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Originally Posted by M5 RUS
No We dont have Evosport in Moscow but We have all others including Kleemann's
What is more intresting to ME is why US cars with K2 are quited to make around 580 HP and European K2 kit makes around 560 HP ???
I also think that Kleemann should be faster due to their header desing and elumination of Primary CATS...but Evosport Headers I heard make more Torgues...
What is more intresting to ME is why US cars with K2 are quited to make around 580 HP and European K2 kit makes around 560 HP ???
I also think that Kleemann should be faster due to their header desing and elumination of Primary CATS...but Evosport Headers I heard make more Torgues...
Evosport stage 2 - 580 HP, 646 Ft/Lbs Torque
Kleemann stage 2 - 569 HP 626 ft/lbs torque
So yea evosport makes more hp and trq, but the funny thing is the kleemann data i took is from the new kleemann data sheet, i have a older one and it states different numbers on the old one the numbers are 593 hp and 626 trq.
So i dunno whats the deal there. at the end its still about who would you trust more!
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Just had a look at Wetterauer again and to me sounds pretty impressive...
The E55 Sport version is 900Nm and 560HP. Around 5k € fitted, including warranty. That has to be better than £7k for K/M K2.
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The E55 Sport version is 900Nm and 560HP. Around 5k € fitted, including warranty. That has to be better than £7k for K/M K2.
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Originally Posted by M5 RUS
What is more intresting to ME is why US cars with K2 are quited to make around 580 HP and European K2 kit makes around 560 HP ???
In Europe its DIN standard and is net horsepower at the flywheel expressed in Metric units, the other could be gross horsepower, or bhp=brake horse power (SAE standard), expressed in Mechanical units. Do a search on Google for more info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepowern
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Originally Posted by BoBcanada
i have a older one and it states different numbers on the old one the numbers are 593 hp and 626 trq.
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Wetterauer is good chip tuner...One of the BEST...
A friend of mine had thie chip on E55 and I am not sure if it worked well or NOT will ask him...
I assume good Chip with Pullies acn make 560 HP...sonce Evo 1 makes around 550HP as well...
Perosnally I thinkin to get this kit my self around 3k here...
Steve... get one am let ME know, how you like it...No one ever tried this kit here...
Anyways let not get off topics...WHICH is FATSER K2 or Evo 2 ???
From those fugures looks like Evo should have an edge...but Cory told ME he did most of the cars with K2 make extra 100 HP and Torgues...
So the power almost identical 580 vs 580...
A friend of mine had thie chip on E55 and I am not sure if it worked well or NOT will ask him...
I assume good Chip with Pullies acn make 560 HP...sonce Evo 1 makes around 550HP as well...
Perosnally I thinkin to get this kit my self around 3k here...
Steve... get one am let ME know, how you like it...No one ever tried this kit here...
Anyways let not get off topics...WHICH is FATSER K2 or Evo 2 ???
From those fugures looks like Evo should have an edge...but Cory told ME he did most of the cars with K2 make extra 100 HP and Torgues...
So the power almost identical 580 vs 580...
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Originally Posted by M5 RUS
From those fugures looks like Evo should have an edge...but Cory told ME he did most of the cars with K2 make extra 100 HP and Torgues...
So the power almost identical 580 vs 580...
So then evo has 20 ft of trq advantage and thats where this discussion ends!
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Another thing to consider is what the horsepower and torque curves look like below their respective peaks. Just because a certain car has 20 or 30 more horse, doesn't always make it the faster car. More important is how the engine delivers its power across the powerband. Just my 0.02 cents
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I think the diference will be marginal - there will be more difference between a diff set of tires than these two mods.
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The claimed numbers are so similar that you will not find a definitive answer unless you get both an Evosport and Kleemann car at the same dyno on the same day. End of story.
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medici78 is right. Horsepower means nothing unless you are comparing two cars on the same dyno. Too many guys on the forum are caught up in a number but don't really know what their car will run. I have Kleemann computer/pulley and Evo headers and my car runs 11.30-40's. That's faster than any K2 car (w/o nos). I think the Evo headers must help somewhat.
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Originally Posted by DJe55
medici78 is right. Horsepower means nothing unless you are comparing two cars on the same dyno. Too many guys on the forum are caught up in a number but don't really know what their car will run. I have Kleemann computer/pulley and Evo headers and my car runs 11.30-40's. That's faster than any K2 car (w/o nos). I think the Evo headers must help somewhat.
Why didnt you go with full evosport pakage? Also 11.3 , 4 was it with stock tyres or DRs? Thats very impressive!
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Who did your work, Derrick? DIY?
Bob, I did the headers after the K1 set up. I didn't think I would go that route but, here I am. I didn't want to hack up the stock exhaust so I went with EVO's header instead of Kleemann. Also, the tires are not DR's but they are R compound tires.
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Originally Posted by medici78
The claimed numbers are so similar that you will not find a definitive answer unless you get both an Evosport and Kleemann car at the same dyno on the same day. End of story.
Someone pls arrange this K2 vs Evo 2 soon or we will never know
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Did you have you ECU re-programmed for Evo headers ???
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..............just came across this thread and was hoping that the discussion of quoted HP and torque numbers was a joke. I hope no one seriously buys anything based on quoted HP and torque numbers. I figure most om this forum know this, but it sounded as if some may have forgotten.
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Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
..............just came across this thread and was hoping that the discussion of quoted HP and torque numbers was a joke. I hope no one seriously buys anything based on quoted HP and torque numbers. I figure most om this forum know this, but it sounded as if some may have forgotten.
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Need more thought, eloborate pls...
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Originally Posted by M5 RUS
Of course HP numbers are varying upon diff cars but they come close...
Need more thought, eloborate pls...
Need more thought, eloborate pls...
...........my point is that the HP and torque numbers you get from a vendor is similar to the message you get from a TV commercial. The vendors and tuners are trying to promote their products. Before you buy anything, get a hold of a before and after dynograph of the product in RWHP and torque...............that will be the absolute best case scenario for that product. That will be the result you'll get if Jesus christ himself does your install and your dyno under perfect conditions. Since you do not have Jesus as your mechanic, then you need to know that your own personal results are likely to be lower than the one shown on the before and after dyno. If you do not have a before and after dyno in RWHP, do not buy the product.
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Originally Posted by Ted Baldwin
..............just came across this thread and was hoping that the discussion of quoted HP and torque numbers was a joke. I hope no one seriously buys anything based on quoted HP and torque numbers. I figure most om this forum know this, but it sounded as if some may have forgotten.
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. I could care less what they estimate it makes to the flywheel nothing more than propaganda. Track horsepower is what matters to me. Just my .02 cents.
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Did you have you ECU re-programmed for Evo headers ???[/quote]
I did have to send it back to Kleemann a couple of times to get the A/F ratio's right and to allow for the EVO headers.
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Originally Posted by BoBcanada
Evosport stage 2 - 580 HP, 646 Ft/Lbs Torque
Kleemann stage 2 - 569 HP 626 ft/lbs torque
So yea evosport makes more hp and trq, but the funny thing is the kleemann data i took is from the new kleemann data sheet, i have a older one and it states different numbers on the old one the numbers are 593 hp and 626 trq.
So i dunno whats the deal there. at the end its still about who would you trust more!
Kleemann stage 2 - 569 HP 626 ft/lbs torque
So yea evosport makes more hp and trq, but the funny thing is the kleemann data i took is from the new kleemann data sheet, i have a older one and it states different numbers on the old one the numbers are 593 hp and 626 trq.
So i dunno whats the deal there. at the end its still about who would you trust more!
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Originally Posted by MB_Steve
Just curious, but where do you get these #s. The Kleemann website says that K2 makes 560 hp and 578 ft/ibs of torque.
Intresting they have different data
P.s Mybe its different hp ratings again? European with NA?
