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Old May 24, 2006 | 09:03 PM
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AMG headers vs Renntech Headers

Hello guys,

Just wanna share some pictures from today's operation!

Renntech Stage 3.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 09:05 PM
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Old May 24, 2006 | 09:38 PM
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One of the Renntech headers installed.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 10:03 PM
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Nice post Adam. I must say that when I had orignially had my Renntech equipment put in I wasn't considering the headers. After one look at the factory headers I realized THEY HAD TO GO. What was AMG thinking?

Question:
1) Does the SL55 have the same headers?
2) Does the SL55 have the same vents in front of the air intake as the E55?

I am thinking conspiracy theory...
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Old May 24, 2006 | 10:06 PM
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Thanks for posting the pics, I was curious to see what the renntech headers look like.

When are you going to dyno?
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Old May 24, 2006 | 10:12 PM
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Those look nice. Do they bolt up to the stock downpipes?
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Old May 24, 2006 | 10:18 PM
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What is your opinion on Renntech compared to the Kleemann?
Kleemann vs stock below.

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Old May 24, 2006 | 10:36 PM
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Now THOSE are headers Rock...are they close to equal length tubes ?? The factory exhaust manifolds are pathetic..they remind me of the old log style smallblock Chevy. There has to be some serious gains with those Kleeman units. The Renntech look very nicely made and I'm sure much better than stock...but these look like speed equipment. Just curious...what does a set of headers cost for these cars ?
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Question:
1) Does the SL55 have the same headers?
2) Does the SL55 have the same vents in front of the air intake as the E55?
1) Not quite, but similar. Different fitment.
2) Erm; that i do not know for sure.


When are you going to dyno?
Friday morning.

Do they bolt up to the stock downpipes?
Yes. No modifications to fit the headers.

Thank you for the compliments guys!

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Old May 24, 2006 | 11:33 PM
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Very nice. Are they CARB legal?
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Old May 24, 2006 | 11:36 PM
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Is it me or do the RT headers have one tube welded into another tube that appears to be the same size, and there is no real collector? Those aren't headers, they're glorified exhaust manifolds. How much do they cost?

The Kleemann units are much better. They have four individual tubes that terminate into an appropriate collector. Although the tube and collector diameters look a little big, their only real negative is the obvious unequal tube lengths.

Based on the units I've seen (including SS), Evosport makes the best header for the E55. Their only drawback is the one tube that is significantly shorter than the rest. Plus, they're coated. Here's an image:

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But is any of it legal?
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Originally Posted by Grumpy666
Is it me or do the RT headers have one tube welded into another tube that appears to be the same size, and there is no real collector? Those aren't headers, they're glorified exhaust manifolds. How much do they cost?[/IMG]
You're absolutely right... I didn't see that... wow. Interesting design.

I guess they are good for what they are... a direct OEM exhaust manifold replacement.
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Old May 24, 2006 | 11:47 PM
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Very nice...look like they hook up to exhaust system a bit easier with the type of flange they used. Kleemans look like a good ole race header collector !
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Old May 24, 2006 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Fast55
But is any of it legal?
If I'm not mistaken, the Kleemann setup is CARB approved. The reason I say that is because the Kleemann Stage 7 s/c kit I put on my C55 was definitely CARB approved.

Not too mention, I passed my recent smog test w/ my E55 K2 with flying colors.

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Old May 25, 2006 | 12:03 AM
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RT headers are legal.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 01:29 AM
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Awesome pics, Adam!!!
How difficult is the install? Real tight in there?
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Old May 25, 2006 | 01:35 AM
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Awesome pics, Adam!!!
How difficult is the install? Real tight in there?

Thank you Sir! I didnt install it but my technician said it was real tight on the passenger side. The driver side was relatively easy.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 02:58 AM
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Adam bro, so is the Renntech or Kleemann better?????????
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Well bro, we'll see from the dyno results this friday shall we? I dont want to sound biased so i will leave that question unanswered. But I stand firmly behind Renntech and its products.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumpy666
Is it me or do the RT headers have one tube welded into another tube that appears to be the same size, and there is no real collector? Those aren't headers, they're glorified exhaust manifolds. How much do they cost?

The Kleemann units are much better. They have four individual tubes that terminate into an appropriate collector. Although the tube and collector diameters look a little big, their only real negative is the obvious unequal tube lengths.

Based on the units I've seen (including SS), Evosport makes the best header for the E55. Their only drawback is the one tube that is significantly shorter than the rest. Plus, they're coated. Here's an image:

You would be surprised how much power you can pick up with a 4 into three header. Especially with a stock flowing head. Equal length headers while a better design do not always translate into more power in the real world.
I have witnessed this first hand on the dyno with other cars. It could be different with our engines being that dj55 has the fastest pulley and header et and he has the evo's.

In my opinion the ss long tubes will make most power with nitrous, jet for jet.

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I've seen these headers up close! Nice workmanship. But still is restricted at the collector. Plus I choked on the Price!!!! $5000.00 plus install labor. Thats was a year ago !There should offer some improvement over the OEM manifolds. Did anybody consider , firing order, exhaust pulses. and the time dwell between the adjointing exhaust tubes.

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5K for a set of un-equal tube length headers?? Isn't it only 3K for Kleemann or Evo stage 1??
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Originally Posted by dragonAMG
If I'm not mistaken, the Kleemann setup is CARB approved. The reason I say that is because the Kleemann Stage 7 s/c kit I put on my C55 was definitely CARB approved.

Not too mention, I passed my recent smog test w/ my E55 K2 with flying colors.
The Kleemann headers require removal of the primary cats. That alone makes them for OFF-ROAD use and not emmissions legal. Having something CARB exempt is a process that requires filing with the Calif Air Resource Board to get an exemption...emmissions legal, CARB certified and whether it passes smog in your state are all mutually exclusive. So while aftermarket parts that effect emmissions may still allow you to pass smog, it does not mean the parts are emmissions legal or CARB certified.
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The Kleemann headers require removal of the primary cats. That alone makes them for OFF-ROAD use and not emmissions legal. Having something CARB exempt is a process that requires filing with the Calif Air Resource Board to get an exemption...emmissions legal, CARB certified and whether it passes smog in your state are all mutually exclusive. So while aftermarket parts that effect emmissions may still allow you to pass smog, it does not mean the parts are emmissions legal or CARB certified.
Thanks for the clarification. Although I specifically remember them telling me that the C55 setup was emmissions legal and CARB certified.
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