W211 AMG Discuss the W211 AMG's such as the E55 and the E63

E63 is quite a bit quicker than the E55

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Old Jun 13, 2006 | 06:54 PM
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E63 is quite a bit quicker than the E55

That is what the July 2006 Automobile Magazine is saying.. WTF
page 85 in the story comparing the E63 to the Audi S6 and the BMW M5 the author writes, "Unlike the supercharged E55, which was so pumped up with hormones it could hardly accelerate in a straight line, the follow-up model is a lot more relaxed, more sure footed, and quite a bit quicker." I sure hope the author of this story, Georg Kacher, has tested both the E55 as well as the E63 (side by side) on a drag strip. If R&T, C&D, or any other mag comes out with E63 numbers that are slower than the E55, he should EAT THOSE WORDS!! Or maybe I am misunderstanding what he is trying to say..
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 12:01 AM
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E55 = Big torque, Medium KWs
E63 = Medium torque, Big KWs

E55 + inexperienced driver = Lots of smoke at lights = slow acceleration
E63 + inexperienced driver = Better traction = perceived better acceleration

E55 + experienced driver = different story/outcome ?


Hope this helps ...
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 04:24 AM
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That is what the July 2006 Automobile Magazine is saying.. WTF
page 85 in the story comparing the E63 to the Audi S6 and the BMW M5 the author writes, "Unlike the supercharged E55, which was so pumped up with hormones it could hardly accelerate in a straight line, the follow-up model is a lot more relaxed, more sure footed, and quite a bit quicker." I sure hope the author of this story, Georg Kacher, has tested both the E55 as well as the E63 (side by side) on a drag strip. If R&T, C&D, or any other mag comes out with E63 numbers that are slower than the E55, he should EAT THOSE WORDS!! Or maybe I am misunderstanding what he is trying to say..

I think that all goes back to the MB posted times... that's what he's referring to... where the E63 is quoted at 4.5 instead of 4.7, blah, blah, blah... meaning according to MB's released info, the E63 is quicker. They weren't sitting there timing the thing in the article, etc. What remains to be seen is if the E63 tests a lot faster than the MB stated times like the E55 did at 4.2, etc.

I'm just a waiting for those articles to start floating in. I actually wouldn't be suprised if C&D has the E63 a bit slower 0-60 and the same in the 1/4, while something odd like R&T or Motortrend has it faster. I think they'll be that close. No matter how you slice it, there aren't enough statistical differences power and torque-wise to make remarkable differences. This is all old news...

What's REALLY interesting is how its handling and braking are suddenly getting a huge reception. Did it really change that much?



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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 06:15 AM
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Tranny would have contributed to the accumulation of speed... and offset some of the torque loses ...

But if its enuf to conquer the beast ... I am not so sure.
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Old Jun 14, 2006 | 07:56 AM
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It's be pretty stupid to bring out a new verison of a performance model that's SLOWER than the old one (though Benz has it many times before).

I'd say the acceleration will be quicker. The 7 speed gearbox should give it a decent increase in rolling acceleration since it'll be able to keep the engine in the power range more easily. The lower torque figure and delivery won't be such a signifigant loss since the E55 spun some of it away anway.

What I'd look for though, is a improvment in handling - something that's never reaped praise in the reviews I've read. And a ESP that switchs FULLY OFF!
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7 speed is key

I test drove the new GL450 a few weeks ago and was amazed at how quickly that 5,500 lb sled went with only 335 hp. The motor always seemed to be in the "sweet spot". And while I never view magazine tests as dogmatic, it was very quick in this month's Motor Trend test. I think it is a function of the new gearbox.

I really think that this combination of engine (with more torque than most anything else out there save our 55 engines) and this new gearbox will make this new E63 haul aZZ. Can't wait for it to hit our roads.

And, as I and others have said, the real improvement that the E55 is screaming for is in the handling and "roadfeel" department. If MB/AMG managed to make the E63 drive more "like" a bimmer, than they hit a home run.
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I hope it's quicker all around than the 211 E55 because if not,the BMW M5 V10 will certainly keep the top end acceleration crown!
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It will have an improved suspension, an improved braking system, and better steering - may even come with better OEM tires -- it should handle better....
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Originally Posted by V8 AMG
E55 = Big torque, Medium KWs
E63 = Medium torque, Big KWs

E55 + inexperienced driver = Lots of smoke at lights = slow acceleration
E63 + inexperienced driver = Better traction = perceived better acceleration

E55 + experienced driver = different story/outcome ?


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I agree 100%..

however I would not call E63 medium torque.. as N/a it has the most amount of torque for its engine size and V8, than any in the production market.

In boosted form 465lbs of torque may sound not as impressive as 512, but this car is a torque monster due to 2 additional gears.

remember its not how much you engine can put out, is how much it can put to the ground efficiently.
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I hope it's quicker all around than the 211 E55 because if not,the BMW M5 V10 will certainly keep the top end acceleration crown!
I don't think so... even if the 55 is the same or a tick faster / slower to 60, the 63 should pull on it at the top end levels... and the M5 as well. Its got the same HP and even more torque than the M5... a lot more...

Lastly, it won't suffer from increased supercharger heat and hotter temps during a longer run as much as an E55 would... so no matter what the mag results, I bet you find 0-150 the 63 is faster than both 55 and 63...



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