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Old 07-06-2006, 11:18 PM
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EVO vs K2?

I am about to pull the plug and dive in on modding this thing and I wanted to take a little survey as to which tuner route and why people prefer??


I am not ready to open up the motor yet, but I want the pullies, ECU flash, headers, rotors, wheels, etc.

Stricktly performance. I want to boost power (always) and drop some weight in the spinning parts.

Also, I may be confused on who is a tuner and who is a sponsor, so sorry.
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I'd like to get opinions on Renntech too with the others !!! stage for stage...I read a ton about Kleeman and they are excellent by all accounts...what about Renntech ?
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I would like to know if the MB recall flash has affected RENNtech tuned cars like it has Kleemann tuned cars.
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It seems a lot of folks on the board choose K2. I'm on a quest to piece mine together.
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Originally Posted by jangy
I am about to pull the plug and dive in on modding this thing and I wanted to take a little survey as to which tuner route and why people prefer??


I am not ready to open up the motor yet, but I want the pullies, ECU flash, headers, rotors, wheels, etc.

Stricktly performance. I want to boost power (always) and drop some weight in the spinning parts.

Also, I may be confused on who is a tuner and who is a sponsor, so sorry.
Both are first rate at what they do! It's more a matter of being comfortable with who is doing the service. As for me, I went with C2Designs in Tampa-who are authorized Kleemann. C2Designs did the "E" f/ "DerekFSU" who we all know has the highest recorded 1/4mi time and trap so I was more than comfortable with C2Designs doing my work.

I have since sent the car back for even MORE upgrades and am 100% happy with the customer service!
Pick the one you are most comfortable with!
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I'd like to get opinions on Renntech too with the others !!! stage for stage...I read a ton about Kleeman and they are excellent by all accounts...what about Renntech ?
I am in the same shoe as well and have not pull the plug either on the "RIGHT" tuner... EVO/Renntech/Kleeman??? Too confusing when you are presented w/choices with conflicting stories...
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Can't speak on the others, but I'm very satisfied with my Renntech parts and their service. I've had no issues with loss of power or drivability post-recall.
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Originally Posted by jangy
I am about to pull the plug and dive in on modding this thing and I wanted to take a little survey as to which tuner route and why people prefer??


I am not ready to open up the motor yet, but I want the pullies, ECU flash, headers, rotors, wheels, etc.

Stricktly performance. I want to boost power (always) and drop some weight in the spinning parts.

Also, I may be confused on who is a tuner and who is a sponsor, so sorry.
Jangy,

Vic and I will both be at the August meet with our fully modified Evo cars and I will take you for a test drive. Just bring a change of boxer shorts.
Evosport is located in Huntington Beach. If you don't want to go with their product they are an authorized Kleeman dealer. The company is owned by two cool honest guys. Give Simon a call. He is also coming to the BBQ.
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Jangy,

Vic and I will both be at the August meet with our fully modified Evo cars and I will take you for a test drive. Just bring a change of boxer shorts.
Evosport is located in Huntington Beach. If you don't want to go with their product they are an authorized Kleeman dealer. The company is owned by two cool honest guys. Give Simon a call. He is also coming to the BBQ.
Thanks girl, that sounds like the deal. As we all know, I fell in love with VIC55's ride, and I know you are on your own quest for some serious grunt, so I have decent confidence in the EVO group. I like that they are "local" and have a few other things (i.e. Rotors) that show where their interests lie.
On the other hand, Kleeman has a pretty strong rep of dedication to the 55 kompressor.
I would LOVE a ride in your cars, and I will look to see if I can find ANY boxers at all. I can't remember the last time a girl made me shiat my pants!!

Thanks again
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Hey Jangy,

I think the shop might be more important then the brand. I can't imagine that the difference between the packages can be that great. I would look for a shop that you trusted and look hard at what they are authorized to do. EVO/Kleemann/RENNtech all make great products and should stand behind them, I would be more worried about making sure they were installed correctly and that my car wasn't damaged in the process. We have all read the horror stories posted on this board but in my opinion they where all based on the installer and not the manufacturer. Just my $.02 .
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Hey Jangy,

I think the shop might be more important then the brand. I can't imagine that the difference between the packages can be that great. I would look for a shop that you trusted and look hard at what they are authorized to do. EVO/Kleemann/RENNtech all make great products and should stand behind them, I would be more worried about making sure they were installed correctly and that my car wasn't damaged in the process. We have all read the horror stories posted on this board but in my opinion they where all based on the installer and not the manufacturer. Just my $.02 .
very good point
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Hey Jangy,

I think the shop might be more important then the brand. I can't imagine that the difference between the packages can be that great. I would look for a shop that you trusted and look hard at what they are authorized to do. EVO/Kleemann/RENNtech all make great products and should stand behind them, I would be more worried about making sure they were installed correctly and that my car wasn't damaged in the process. We have all read the horror stories posted on this board but in my opinion they where all based on the installer and not the manufacturer. Just my $.02 .
I agree 100%, thats why I chose Evo. They are 15 minutes from my work and 30 minutes from my house. Any issues at all and my car is there that quickly, althought I have had minimal issues

Right now with all the ECU reprogramming/recall issues with modded cars, its nice to know that I can just drop my car off and get the programming done in one day instead of having to overnight the ECU across the country. Luckily for me I have not needed to reprogram the ECU but just in case I know it will be a quick turnaround. With parts being equal, it boils down to logistics and service. This is not a knock on any non local tuner but a praise to the one who has taken care of me over the past 2 years.
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It's all boiled down to...

LOCAL, SERVICE and TURN AROUND TIME...

Jangy, just like we bought the E55 locally at Hoehn instead of MBSB or Laguna Nigel!
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Great for you left coasters but Chicago boys have less choices and we don't have Evo
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Great for you left coasters but Chicago boys have less choices and we don't have Evo
Yeah, that sucks but you at least have a Kleemann authorized installer dont you?
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LOCAL, SERVICE and TURN AROUND TIME...

Jangy, just like we bought the E55 locally at Hoehn instead of MBSB or Laguna Nigel!
Yup yup...I am impressed with how Kleeman is handling all the ECu issues, etc. But I think the local advantage is a biggy. Hey VIC55, I know you've been treated well, but is that a function of your relationship or simply how EVO works?

I am definitely down to be a bit cutting edge and working with someone on developing new and improved mods, as I am sure you have done with them. Just curious.
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Yup yup...I am impressed with how Kleeman is handling all the ECu issues, etc. But I think the local advantage is a biggy. Hey VIC55, I know you've been treated well, but is that a function of your relationship or simply how EVO works?

I am definitely down to be a bit cutting edge and working with someone on developing new and improved mods, as I am sure you have done with them. Just curious.
Jangy, you answered your own question. How they treat me is how the relationship developed. I never dealt with or had any dealings with Simon previous to my MBZ ownership. I actually bought some parts from a different salesman when I had my W210 E55 but when I met Simon at the first Rose Bowl meet early in 2005 is where the business started. From there on in he has been my go to guy but it has nothing to do with being friends. I know that having the same common interests helps but I know that if I was only about business I would still get the same excellent service. Its just like many board members have good dealings with the Kleemann guys.
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Vic I think there are a few shown on Kleeman USA...one may be a dealer...the other I am pretty sure I read a crappy review on here...and the last one may be good but I would love to here some pro comments on Renntech too since MY dealer will do the install for me....
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Originally Posted by vader
Vic I think there are a few shown on Kleeman USA...one may be a dealer...the other I am pretty sure I read a crappy review on here...and the last one may be good but I would love to here some pro comments on Renntech too since MY dealer will do the install for me....
Yeah you might want to check with Kleemann themselves (if you have not done so) to see who they like for their business partners. Renntech is just so expensive IMO.
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Originally Posted by vader
Vic I think there are a few shown on Kleeman USA...one may be a dealer...the other I am pretty sure I read a crappy review on here...and the last one may be good but I would love to here some pro comments on Renntech too since MY dealer will do the install for me....
Hey Vader,

I am near Chicago as well and have been looking into this. We have Knauz which is a MB dealer and Kleemann said they are the most experienced but their labor rates are high and they are the ones who did Stiff1's install and look at all the trouble he is having. There is Willow in Chicago but they are the ones who have had negative things written about them. I am probably going to visit Chicago Performance in Melrose Park, Marcus Frost says they are excellent.

I know Naperville MB is a RENNtech shop but $5K for pulleys and an ECU seems high. They want $5K for headers and almost $4K for an airbox?!?
Seems out of line compared to what others are charging.
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Just my input ... great service and support from renntech.

Renntech might be a tad more expensive but I found it to be worth it. (I don't see a lot a people having problems with Renntech)
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I know Renntech Pulley/ECU is 5k...but what I am not really clear on is what does the Klee Pulley/ECU run ? Its hard to figure out all the K1 thru K ? stuff....
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I know Renntech Pulley/ECU is 5k...but what I am not really clear on is what does the Klee Pulley/ECU run ? Its hard to figure out all the K1 thru K ? stuff....
It is $3500-$3800 depending on who does the install and the labor rate they use. Roughly 30% less then RENNtech, there needs to be a significant difference to justify the difference IMO.
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That is quite a big difference...if thats installed then Kleeman will get the nod....5k for the Renntech is without the install I think. Have to wait and see what the outcome is with the ECU problems.


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