i got about 7k mi out of my ps2 and thats in a lighter, less powerful car.

 

Silly, silly statement. For someone who likes to think they know a lot about cars, this was pretty ignorant. Most people here know that BMW's ///M division is very much against forced induction, funny enough they consider it cheating. Hell, we weren't even talking about power adders at all.

So arrogant I'm not even going to go there. Its obvious you just don't like beemers, and has been for a while. If kicking butt in a sedan means numb steering, incredible amounts of brake dive and floaty high speed maneuvers then count me out.

Does this little world of yours have a name? Active suspensions come in all forms, including spring and shock setups. Hell MY suspension is active, Ferrari has one, and even Chevy does. The point of argument here is the airbag suspension, and you're the only one defending it. Hell even Brabus got rid of it when they wanted to make a "serious" sports car.

 

 

Don't confuse arrogant with confidence.

 

Nice. Real original. Do I bother cutting and pasting my reply or do you mind just reading the previous post? You never did say when you wanted to run the CLK against the big fat nasty E55??

 

the clk has gone back to mb, the lease ran out in the middle of oct., i believe i said that already

i can bring a big fat nasty stock e55, the rear tires are kinda bad but ill make it work.

when?

 

Like what? A CLK55 I don't think so.

 

jangy I've meet this guy and he can drive he's crazy. He could probably out drive you in your E55 in a pickup truck.

 

thanks for the compliments and the kind words.

btw,
your car looks sick w/ that renntech **** on it, i love the headers, very nice, must sound mean as ****

 

Jangy has no idea what the roads in the Santa Monica Mts. look like. They make the hill in san diego look like a bunny slope. I know a few people would could run with the best out there. Should we actually put together a drive? I just fear ego's will jump out of control and someone will go home in a medivac chopper.

 

Jangy from what I understand of your record on your "Jangy run", you're not outhandling much. Running off the road and halfway up a hill? Understeering so much your ESP is creating a "funny sensation"? I think your own experience speaks to the validity of your argument for the airmatic. Then again it could just be the "nut behind the wheel."

 

Jangy,

This topic is staring to get out of hand and we all need to tone it down. I did however want to address some points you made in that last post.

1) You ran against a man in a lotus who is openly a "low skilled driver" and who never claimed to be driving hard. He has been to willow springs and runs a 1:42 and that is a horrible time for a lotus elise let alone a track prepped exige. Had he been skilled and trying there is no way on earth any E55 could have kept up.

At big willow I run a 1:36 and I run a 1:34 or lower at the small track at willow. If I can put that time down for a 3900 pound car like a C32 (with some serious upgrades) I think the lotus would spank us both. I have seen a stock lotus elise run a 1:32 at big willow (it had the factory sport package which is very mild).

2) You are a very aggressive driver and you push your car well harder than most people on the plannet. Your car was able to chase a R1 up the hill but honestly a well ridden bike will be gone and never look back. The big thing here is driver skill, driver fear factor, and the size of the drivers *****. I know you drive 100% all the time but the others out there are NOT driving their car at the same percentage of max as you. So your E55 at 95% of max can keep up with a lotus exige doing 50-60% of max. While impressive it does not mean your car is doing better than a lotus.

In a last post you said I brought people to try and race you up the hill. My friend in the lotus (not the guy in the exige who you "raced") was nice enough to let me sleep at his house the night I came SD and he wanted to come for a drive that day. He had no intention of racing anyone as he just wants to have a good time. He saves his fun for the auto-x and opent rack events as Palomar has become very booked up with cops and speed stings. Three weeks ago there were 4 chp cars and a chopper on the hill pulling anything that even thought of going fast over.

Its all about driver fear factor in the hills. Some are happy pushing to the max while others are not. But at the end of the day the lotus went home clean and with no scratches. The E55 needed some freshening up after a last minute meeting with the mountain side.

Not slamming you here at all Jangy. I am trying to put this thread to rest. Claims about the E55 beating everything out there is just false because it is a flawed way of ranking cars.

If you want to show your cars ability take it to willow and put up a lap time. At that point we can see where the car stacks up in the pecking order.

 

Thanks! So have you decided on a car yet? For the type of driving I think you like to do I'd say get a 997 something or wait for the new M3.

 

yeah, its pretty much between a z06 and a 997S, im waiting for my dad to get back (hes out of town), im molesting my moms e55 meanwhile.
i saw a new "camouflaged" m3 on robertson about a month back, i didnt like it much

 

(bunny slope)

i thik we are all mature enough to not drive beyond our abilities, we arent in high school anymore

im down for a friendly run

 

beautifully spoken ownage

im down for a track day (not in the e55 though, the brakes and tires will be dead, its too heavy, i can bring my bros m3 or maybe ill get a car by then)

 

Poor E55. I bet it breathes a big sigh of relief once your mom gets into the driver seat.

Oh by the way what color is the E55?

 

yeah, i think it does. at least i keep it clean, when she drives there is paint (she paints), crumbs etc... all over the interior.

its pewter silver
completely stock

 

When is this "Track Day" going to be ? I'd love to come out and film it. Time to see the proof in the pudding so to speak and do it off public highways where innocent people can't get hurt.

 

The R1 you refer to OWNS Palomar. I've met him quite a few times after.
The Lotus you claim did not try is flat out lying. If you remember correctly, your own friend rode in my car and said that he (the other Lotus driver) was indeed trying and that the Lotus was unstable NOT the E55. He also verified for you that I could have passed had I chosen to cross the yellow. Your driver was PISSED and embarassed, so to say he didn't try is a liitel fib at best.
Let's at least be honest here. Where exactly was your E55 when I got to the top?
Lastly, the lotus did go home clean, but keep in mind we were not even pushing, much less racing when I had my run off. That was also only a first in a series of weekly runs at Palomar, including several E55s, a C4s, Mini CooperS, C class, M3, more Motorcycles, Audis, on and on. Why does the Jangy E stay undefeated? SHame on you for knowing and feeding into the BS.
You are right, I am competitive and push my E55 pretty hard. I make no excuses for days that I run scared and it's pretty lame to make them for the Lotus Club head that came all the way out there on a challenge match.

Sounds to me like a run between AMG_55 and my self is in order. How about a neutral site this weekend? I have learned my lesson and carry an in-car camera. He may be crazy, but can he drive an E? We'll see. Screw the track for now. Let's do it now and settle it once and for all.

This thread is getting stupid. Talk is so cheap and talkers rarely show up, so lets see.

 

renntech ****? where are the pictures?? sound clips??? something

 

Hi Jangy,
I just wanted to clear some things up from my perspective before too much misinformation spread.

1. I did say the other Lotus appeared to be trying, due to how twitchy the rear end looked. My Elise does not handle in this manner (or least I haven't experienced this on public roads, autox, or at the track). His car does however have a traction control system and aftermarket suspension, so something funny could be going on. He did completely lock up his brakes a few times, which is not expected for a car with ABS. I think CynCarvin's point is that the car is capable of far more than he was able or willing (for safety) to extract out of it. I did not ask him personally how hard he was pushing, but the back end did twitch a bit.

2. Yes, your car was unstable in my opinion. I could not tell if it was your driving style or the car, but you seemed to throw the car into turns and the back end would not react at the same pace and seemed a bit behind. Did we always stay within the yellow lines? I don't remember. You told me that your car was not set-up properly (or to your final spec), so I didn't make much of it. I assume you haven taken care of this. CynCarvin's E55 does not react this way when both he and I drive it. Certainly my C32 or the track prepped C32 does not handle in this way, but of course they are very different cars.

3. The other Lotus guy wasn't pissed, nor did he mention anything about it after we saw him off. In fact he said your car seemed quite fast.

4. The Lotus guy did not come up there for a "challenge match" as you put it. Nor did I. It was mere coincidence that we saw him there that day and the guy really has no ego. He is an "innocent" 3rd party, so let us leave him out of this.

5. The order at the bottom of the hill was you, CynCarvin, and then myself. I relegated myself to the back, because I knew I was not going to push very hard and I knew the purpose of the meet was to compare E55s (thus you two would be together). CynCarvin's supercharger shut off half way up the hill. I don't remember if you two drove together again.

6. I agree with awiner that the track is the place to do it. Canyon driving is great, but how fast you go seems to be a function of not only skills, but *****. The cornering limits of these cars are getting so high, it's a bit ridiculous to use it all on the street.

7. My experience driving all of these famous roads, is that Palomar is not very technical. A lot of the turns are constant radius, constant camber, and are generally predictable. This is not bad however, as it makes for a nice drive if you don't know the road.

Sorry to "hijack" your thread.

- Justin

 

where?
when?
you let me know, ill try my best to be there, no plans so far for this weekend so it looks good. ive only driven the e (really) hard once, and i dont feel comfortable pushing it but ill go out tomorrow night to practice a little. let me know what road your thinking, i cant think of anything neutral, i dont know that many roads and the ones i know ive driven at least once.

 

Couple of Q's for both Jangy and CynCarvin.

1. Curious as to how you're going about picking the new stiffness of the bars. Keeping it proportional, shifting the balance, etc? This may be a good reason to keep them adjustable, especially if everyone is running different shocks, ride heights, etc.

2. Is there a solution to the steering kick problem? This was a bad problem with the C32. Did it go away in SMG's car?

 

Until my supercharger shut off due to a failed intercooler pump I was about 5-6 car lengths behind you and not falling back quickly. I was not there to race and I have long since stopped trying to get into contests on public roads in an effort to show my cars ability in a corner. I likely would not attend a canyon run simply because I have changed my views quite a bit regarding quick driving in the "hills." I used to race through the santa monica mountains and pick fights with 996 turbos, EVO 8's, STi's etc and every time i was right there and likey faster. All those cars would have dusted my C32 back in the day had they beed driven in a like manner.

Have fun, enjoy your car but please quit the shut up or show up mentality. Seeing cars fly off the cliff behind my house takes its toll and I dont want to press my luck that often or to that extent.

I think WE were lucky that day and that mistake made me think twice. Call me a woman, call me gay, call me anything you would like.... iI just dont want to press death right now. Motor cars are very powerful items and small mistakes can yield huge losses. I just came back from a funeral where a close friend was run over by a 172k lb dump truck in her Jetta when she was minding her own business and driving with the flow of traffic. Horrible things can happen for no real reason and and pushing your car that hard on public roads can make a seemingly safe afternoon a true hazard.

Having a camera in your car is a good way to way to encourage crazy driving on a public road.

The point you keep failing to see is that the driver is the difference here. The lotus driver did not press his car as hard as you nor is he known to be quick. He was not driving a car with ESP and he likely did not want to risk running off the road.

Study the lap times of these cars that seem to be slow up the hill and you will find that the cars could go far faster if the driver chose to extract that speed.

I just came down that day to see if the large tires on your car rubbed up front and I am glad I saw that it worked first hand. I was happy to meet you and i dont mind these debates on the net. You are a good guy with a lot of passion for the car but take it to the track. More customers like you telling amg to get their butts in gear might prevent us from having to tinker to make the E55 turn.