Aftermarket Sway Bar interest?
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Aftermarket Sway Bar interest?
Just wondering what the interest would be in getting some thicker sway bars for our rides. I will be working on this next with one of the TOP makers of sway bars. Probably go an additional 5mm on either end. The final product will have the bars and bushings. Install should take an hour per axle. The introductory price will be based on the initial interest. After that, they will be sold through a name brand distributor.
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So do you know if there is actually a sway bar that you could remove and replace or is there something there that adjusts itself to the way you drive...????
I too was looking into this a while ago. When I had my audi I was the test car for a certain company's new set of sways....it was awesome...I was thinking about asking him to take a look at our cars to see if he could work something...anyways keep me posted as I would be greatly interested...
I too was looking into this a while ago. When I had my audi I was the test car for a certain company's new set of sways....it was awesome...I was thinking about asking him to take a look at our cars to see if he could work something...anyways keep me posted as I would be greatly interested...
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ MBLN
There is only one sway bar, it is the front.
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Originally Posted by BenzoBoi
So do you know if there is actually a sway bar that you could remove and replace or is there something there that adjusts itself to the way you drive...????
I too was looking into this a while ago. When I had my audi I was the test car for a certain company's new set of sways....it was awesome...I was thinking about asking him to take a look at our cars to see if he could work something...anyways keep me posted as I would be greatly interested...
I too was looking into this a while ago. When I had my audi I was the test car for a certain company's new set of sways....it was awesome...I was thinking about asking him to take a look at our cars to see if he could work something...anyways keep me posted as I would be greatly interested...
There must be some anti roll stabilizing method for the rear than can be beefed up? Either way, I guess I'll start on the front, since that is where I have been adding lateral traction.
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At one time I was looking at doing suspension improvements on E55s. Other projects put on a back burner.
In short, there is a pretty beefy front sway bar (If I am not mistaken - 33 mm), there is no rear bar.
I was going to make bracketry to mount a bar in the back along with thicker bar for the front. Along with camber adjustable ball joints as a complete handling package.
If there is still interest I can resurrect the project.
In short, there is a pretty beefy front sway bar (If I am not mistaken - 33 mm), there is no rear bar.
I was going to make bracketry to mount a bar in the back along with thicker bar for the front. Along with camber adjustable ball joints as a complete handling package.
If there is still interest I can resurrect the project.
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ MBLN
At one time I was looking at doing suspension improvements on E55s. Other projects put on a back burner.
In short, there is a pretty beefy front sway bar (If I am not mistaken - 33 mm), there is no rear bar.
I was going to make bracketry to mount a bar in the back along with thicker bar for the front. Along with camber adjustable ball joints as a complete handling package.
If there is still interest I can resurrect the project.
In short, there is a pretty beefy front sway bar (If I am not mistaken - 33 mm), there is no rear bar.
I was going to make bracketry to mount a bar in the back along with thicker bar for the front. Along with camber adjustable ball joints as a complete handling package.
If there is still interest I can resurrect the project.
I am having the mounting plate on the ball joints reproduced with modified holes. We played with slotting the OEM holes to prove the concept and it was NICE. The next move is to make the modified ones and see what stress it adds to other components. Hopefully, updated bushings will be enough.
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ MBLN
At one time I was looking at doing suspension improvements on E55s. Other projects put on a back burner.
In short, there is a pretty beefy front sway bar (If I am not mistaken - 33 mm), there is no rear bar.
I was going to make bracketry to mount a bar in the back along with thicker bar for the front. Along with camber adjustable ball joints as a complete handling package.
If there is still interest I can resurrect the project.
In short, there is a pretty beefy front sway bar (If I am not mistaken - 33 mm), there is no rear bar.
I was going to make bracketry to mount a bar in the back along with thicker bar for the front. Along with camber adjustable ball joints as a complete handling package.
If there is still interest I can resurrect the project.
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Ok, I have an update. I got a call from the guy that I have been getting my recent mods from. As I mentioned, I haven't been too stoked on my regular "tuner" lately so these new guys have been getting a shot at me. At any rate, I had also spoken with him about getting the sway bars done and he had shown some interest. Well, i guess he really is and it looks like my NorCal conect will have to wait.
Here is the deal on the project. A car is needed in the LA area for an initial inspection and possible fitting. As with all reputable places, this place also has the CNC bending machine, so i may plan a visit to LA to let them check my ride out. The benefit is a set of free Sway Bars when the project goes. In this case, the manufacturer would have the interest and I would OWN nothing, so it is different than what i had planned. But, in the end I get a set of bars and get to learn a little AMG R&D as we go. No promises yet, but it may be possible to have a local (LA) car go in for the fitting and then use my car for the final tweaking. In this way, the car that volunteered would also get a free set. Lastly, as always, MBWorld members will get the daddy initial price and then the manufacturer will be off charging whatever he wants.
Let me know if anyone is down and we can go from there. I am doing this. the new ride height is awesome and only shows how much mre can be pulled from these cars.
Here is the deal on the project. A car is needed in the LA area for an initial inspection and possible fitting. As with all reputable places, this place also has the CNC bending machine, so i may plan a visit to LA to let them check my ride out. The benefit is a set of free Sway Bars when the project goes. In this case, the manufacturer would have the interest and I would OWN nothing, so it is different than what i had planned. But, in the end I get a set of bars and get to learn a little AMG R&D as we go. No promises yet, but it may be possible to have a local (LA) car go in for the fitting and then use my car for the final tweaking. In this way, the car that volunteered would also get a free set. Lastly, as always, MBWorld members will get the daddy initial price and then the manufacturer will be off charging whatever he wants.
Let me know if anyone is down and we can go from there. I am doing this. the new ride height is awesome and only shows how much mre can be pulled from these cars.
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Sway Bar
I would perfer an ANTI-Sway bar!! . My cars sways enough. About 4 months ago I made rear anti sway bar bushings & installed grease fitting to the attachment caps. A good kit is needed Attached Images Please search( rear anti sway bar bushings )
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...2&d=1144597359
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Originally Posted by PTE
I would perfer an ANTI-Sway bar!! . My cars sways enough. About 4 months ago I made rear anti sway bar bushings & installed grease fitting to the attachment caps. A good kit is needed Attached Images Please search( rear anti sway bar bushings )
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...2&d=1144597359
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...3&d=1144597359
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...4&d=1144597359
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...2&d=1144597359
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...3&d=1144597359
https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...4&d=1144597359
Hi PTE, never fear the will be ANTI sways. LOL. Can you give any description on the effects of bushings alone. The rear bar is FAAR too thin for my taste, so I didn't want to work on bushings alone, but I am curious as to your impressions. By the way, the final pic looks VERY nice.
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Jangy,
Thaks for taking the point on this project. I believe it to be a worthwhile one for the community.
I am very interested, as I would like to track this car. I do have a couple of questions:
1) What material would the bar be made of?
2) Is it to be cold-formed w/ forged ends (weaker) or hot formed (stronger)?
3) Will this bar have mulitple attachment points for adjustability?
4) Will the bushings be poly (stiff but noisy) or rubber (quiet but softer) ?
5) Do you plan on making a matched set or just the rear bar?
I ask #5 because stiffening up the rear with no change to the front could lead to an oversteer condition. These cars already have no problem with throttle-oversteer.
Thanks for your input.
Thaks for taking the point on this project. I believe it to be a worthwhile one for the community.
I am very interested, as I would like to track this car. I do have a couple of questions:
1) What material would the bar be made of?
2) Is it to be cold-formed w/ forged ends (weaker) or hot formed (stronger)?
3) Will this bar have mulitple attachment points for adjustability?
4) Will the bushings be poly (stiff but noisy) or rubber (quiet but softer) ?
5) Do you plan on making a matched set or just the rear bar?
I ask #5 because stiffening up the rear with no change to the front could lead to an oversteer condition. These cars already have no problem with throttle-oversteer.
Thanks for your input.
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Originally Posted by Vadim @ MBLN
There is only one sway bar, it is the front.
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For what its worth you all might do a search for "sway bar" in the E55 forum. This subject has been discussed ad nauseum in the last 2 years. I asked the same question about sway bar changes and found out that no one makes any other bars.
A custom manufacture of the item was going to be necessary.
I talked to the owner of "Sky Jacker" who lives in the neighborhood and he said if there was enough interest he might be able to do the engineering of the parts. They normally make lift kits for monster trucks but could do any parts I want.
If you all get to a dead end let me know and I'll follow up on this lead.
A custom manufacture of the item was going to be necessary.
I talked to the owner of "Sky Jacker" who lives in the neighborhood and he said if there was enough interest he might be able to do the engineering of the parts. They normally make lift kits for monster trucks but could do any parts I want.
If you all get to a dead end let me know and I'll follow up on this lead.
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Originally Posted by ChicagoX
Jangy,
Thaks for taking the point on this project. I believe it to be a worthwhile one for the community.
I am very interested, as I would like to track this car. I do have a couple of questions:
1) What material would the bar be made of?
2) Is it to be cold-formed w/ forged ends (weaker) or hot formed (stronger)?
3) Will this bar have mulitple attachment points for adjustability?
4) Will the bushings be poly (stiff but noisy) or rubber (quiet but softer) ?
5) Do you plan on making a matched set or just the rear bar?
I ask #5 because stiffening up the rear with no change to the front could lead to an oversteer condition. These cars already have no problem with throttle-oversteer.
Thanks for your input.
Thaks for taking the point on this project. I believe it to be a worthwhile one for the community.
I am very interested, as I would like to track this car. I do have a couple of questions:
1) What material would the bar be made of?
2) Is it to be cold-formed w/ forged ends (weaker) or hot formed (stronger)?
3) Will this bar have mulitple attachment points for adjustability?
4) Will the bushings be poly (stiff but noisy) or rubber (quiet but softer) ?
5) Do you plan on making a matched set or just the rear bar?
I ask #5 because stiffening up the rear with no change to the front could lead to an oversteer condition. These cars already have no problem with throttle-oversteer.
Thanks for your input.
2- Full blown hot formed (CNC). This is what they do.
3- no. what adjustment you looking for ? Stiffness or ride height? (just so I am clear). If adjustment is a MAJOR advantage, we can incorporate it, since we are in the planning phases now, so please let me know WHY we should do it.
4- poly, performance first, convenience /sound second.
5- Full set front and rears.
