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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 03:05 AM
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M5 vs CLS 55 in 1/4 Video...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaZ7W_yVfOo&search=CLS55

The last race was conducted both car ESP off and M5 in S6 mode launch control on...

So m5 vs E55 would be also very close...at least to 120-130...

My friend runned 3 times with his E55K with NO CATS with M6, by 200-220 (120-130) he would be one car in front, after that M6 would pull away...

After M6 got Full Hamann exhaust and ECU upgrade, M6 would start to walk away after 90-100 on E55...

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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 04:48 AM
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Nice video....I doubt any1 can drive their M5`s the way their suppose to be driven to perform well...The cls tears the M5 twice ...till the m5 goes into S6 mode...im more than happy with the video...cant wait to catch an M5 that ACUALLY wants to get down...so far 2 M5`s and 1 M6 and neither one wanted to battle...
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 05:07 AM
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im watching this video at work with no sound: why does the M5 end up winning in the end?
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 05:24 AM
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im watching this video at work with no sound: why does the M5 end up winning in the end?
That will remain a mystery unless you're fluent in Japanese!
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 07:10 AM
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As PersianGodFatha said, the last run is with the car in S6 mode and DSC off, and the M5 ended up beating the CLS. However, we don't know if it has used launch control or not.

The driver of the M5 commented that the M5 lacks torque and once it up-shifts, the rpm is not matched to is optimal torque band, so that's why you see the driver jerking in the M5. However, the CLS's gearing is better so you don't see as much jerking during upshift.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by M5 RUS
Cool...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaZ7W_yVfOo&search=CLS55

The last race was conducted both car ESP off and M5 in S6 mode launch control on...

So m5 vs E55 would be also very close...at least to 120-130...

My friend runned 3 times with his E55K with NO CATS with M6, by 200-220 (120-130) he would be one car in front, after that M6 would pull away...

After M6 got Full Hamann exhaust and ECU upgrade, M6 would start to walk away after 90-100 on E55...
are you blind,the cls clearly had the m5 by a couple of cars. looked just like what i did to the m5 i recently ran.how do you figure the e55 v m5 would be close, 2-3 cars isn't close. 1/2 - 1 car length is close.you hear my kill story and you post a video that confirms what i've been saying, yet you still insist the race will be close.maybe you are right,it would probably be you that will be driving the e55 that loses to an e60 M5.what's up with your screen name?i really believe you need to change it as it seems to taint your judgement.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 08:11 AM
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the M5 won the last race, but that was the worst run for the CLS if you look at the numbers.... The M5 never got into the 12's like the CLS did eariler in the video...
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 09:05 AM
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The CLS could very well have been heatsoaked by that point, don't you think? I happen to own an M5 and I know for a fact it isn't as fast as a CLS55 or E55, that's not what I bought it for. I already have a drag car that pisses on most cars on the planet, the M5 is for sheer fun factor.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Cylinder Head
The CLS could very well have been heatsoaked by that point, don't you think? I happen to own an M5 and I know for a fact it isn't as fast as a CLS55 or E55, that's not what I bought it for. I already have a drag car that pisses on most cars on the planet, the M5 is for sheer fun factor.
Let me know when you are in the neighborhood, would love to do a head to head!, hehehe
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 09:45 AM
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Let me know when you are in the neighborhood, would love to do a head to head!, hehehe
I'll probably be in the city Saturday night! I'm sure you'd love to beat up the ///M a few times.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 10:23 AM
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Any other day but this saturday, there is a T-storm, I probably won't even want to take my car out, I am heading to englishtown next month, I will keep you posted, I will also ask Apple 55-he has a brabus monster, i will see if he would like to come.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 10:39 AM
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cylinder Head
The CLS could very well have been heatsoaked by that point, don't you think? I happen to own an M5 and I know for a fact it isn't as fast as a CLS55 or E55, that's not what I bought it for. I already have a drag car that pisses on most cars on the planet, the M5 is for sheer fun factor.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 11:19 AM
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the supra is your drag car? what's it run?
Its a 10 second car on a bad day.
With drag slicks and the right driver it could do 9's, but I'm afraid of breaking it, the engine alone was a 30k investment and it only has 100 or so miles on it since it was rebuilt. I have yet to even see dyno numbers for it on C16, it was spinning the tires so badly on the dyno on 92 octane, and we still got it to put out 790 at 7500rpm. Its sitting on 19's and PZero's (bad call, I know) right now so I won't even goose it on the highway for fear that it will just incinerate the rubber.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 11:49 AM
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from what i hear isnt it quite hard to get a supra into the 9's? is it coz of the launch dynamics of the car or something?
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from what i hear isnt it quite hard to get a supra into the 9's? is it coz of the launch dynamics of the car or something?
IRS plays hell with it. Its extremely difficult to get a decent 60ft time with higher powered Supras, while a blown F-body can just fly off the line because of their solid rear axle. Basically, Supras were designed to handle, as well as barrel down straights, but getting off-the-line traction is very difficult with a big single slug like mine (GT76 Dual BB). You have to make that perfect balance between revs, clutch engagement and boost, and your suspension has to be well thought out and professionally set up.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 04:10 PM
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Anyone who owns a AMG E55 or simalar knows that after two pulls the e55 looses power due to heat soak......thats why the race got closer on each run.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 10:07 PM
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Its clearly obvious whats happening in the video. The first race the M5 was in one of the slowest shifting programs it has and it appeared as though traction control was on. The 2nd race looks like the traction control was set off and it was still in the slow shifting mode. 3rd race was with a faster mode and traction off. You gotta really pick the right options on the M5 for it to run its best. P500S is where its at.

The only thing you guys are right about is the lack of TQ of the M5,b/c of that its not great from a stop. But it does build speed, much like M cars. The M5 is faster then the E55/cls55 from a roll to higher speeds.
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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 10:25 PM
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Taz,

Are you bummed they kicked you off the M3forum? That final thread did not go well for you. I hope you fair better here. I actually think you were a very productive member.

As far as E55/CLS55 vs M5.........I have yet to see an M5 beat an E55 in the 1/4 mile. Go to dragtimes if you need proof.

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Originally Posted by SCM3
Its clearly obvious whats happening in the video. The first race the M5 was in one of the slowest shifting programs it has and it appeared as though traction control was on. The 2nd race looks like the traction control was set off and it was still in the slow shifting mode. 3rd race was with a faster mode and traction off. You gotta really pick the right options on the M5 for it to run its best. P500S is where its at.

The only thing you guys are right about is the lack of TQ of the M5,b/c of that its not great from a stop. But it does build speed, much like M cars. The M5 is faster then the E55/cls55 from a roll to higher speeds.



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Old Jul 26, 2006 | 11:20 PM
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the M5 won the last race, but that was the worst run for the CLS if you look at the numbers.... The M5 never got into the 12's like the CLS did eariler in the video...
Good point. Wonder what each car would do with about $10K in mods??

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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SCM3
Its clearly obvious whats happening in the video. The first race the M5 was in one of the slowest shifting programs it has and it appeared as though traction control was on. The 2nd race looks like the traction control was set off and it was still in the slow shifting mode. 3rd race was with a faster mode and traction off. You gotta really pick the right options on the M5 for it to run its best. P500S is where its at.

The only thing you guys are right about is the lack of TQ of the M5,b/c of that its not great from a stop. But it does build speed, much like M cars. The M5 is faster then the E55/cls55 from a roll to higher speeds.

Well I hate to say it he is right... In the first few drags not only was he in a sucky mode he had the car in auto mode basically the computer shifts instead of the driver. Driving an SMG car fast is a hard thing to do, its not as easy as an automatic since SMG is basically a manual with an electronic clutch and at the start off is where I find SMG having the biggest trouble. But once in S6 mode on an M3 its crazy, I think the M5 in its highest mode shifts faster than the M3 in S6 which I cant imagine.
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Originally Posted by SCM3
Its clearly obvious whats happening in the video. The first race the M5 was in one of the slowest shifting programs it has and it appeared as though traction control was on. The 2nd race looks like the traction control was set off and it was still in the slow shifting mode. 3rd race was with a faster mode and traction off. You gotta really pick the right options on the M5 for it to run its best. P500S is where its at.

The only thing you guys are right about is the lack of TQ of the M5,b/c of that its not great from a stop. But it does build speed, much like M cars. The M5 is faster then the E55/cls55 from a roll to higher speeds.



(all that is necessary for our friend and the little bubble he lives in).
i can't say for sure which car is faster with my butt dyno but having spent a good amount of time in the new m5, my thoughts regarding the video were the same as scm3's and i would say his post is fairly accurate.

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