chiromikey

where did all these rumors of a e63tt come from??? there are so many references to it that someone could believe an e63tt is just a year away. mb has stated that the 6.3tt motor will be exclusive to the new gullwing which won't even be out until '08 itself, so what's the REAL story...?

if anyone has any credible info about this i'd really like to read about it.

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

No credible info, just logic and very educated guessing based around Mercedes' pattern of "escalation." Remember, the old 55's were all NA's.

deaguero

Mike: About a year and a half ago rumors began to surface in the various trade mags that MB was working on a new engine and that it would be a TT.
That was when I went down to Schumacher and put my deposit down even though the Dealer had no info on this. The rumors were pretty steady from AMG to the press and continued but never were confirmed by AMG. With the new 2010 M5 codenamed F11 @ 550+ Horsepower and the new RS6 TT just over the horizon, I don't believe AMG will sit idly by as the other Manufacturers continue down this path. There is probably not enough power in the 6.2 litre engine to play with the other guys so a TT is not to far fetched for other AMG products and not just the Gullwing as stated in "another press" story!

Hows the Beast running? I'm getting another Kompressor!!

chiromikey

i certainly would expect something down the road but not anytime soon and certainly not soon enough to put off buying now if i was in the market (like many have suggested).

chiromikey

running fine, just got to get rid of that damned recall work. make sure it hasn't been done on yours!!!

Jakpro1

Yeah, we're all just kinda putting little puzzle pieces together and keeping our fingers crossed. I am still thinking/guessing it's a 2008 rollout though.

Here's some of the stuff I am banking on.

1) New head of AMG said it plainly "the future of AMG is not superchargers, but turbos"
2) The new Gull Wing info was "intentionally leaked" and that included twin turbs on a V8.
3) Been a few Benz sites that have the twin turbs coming out with the W212 roll out and it kinda makes sense. The brand new E Class with AMG twin turbs.
4) Audi and Bimmer both coming out with some high horsepower models soon. AMG needs to compete.

Some things I was not banking on.

1) Gas prices....that alone could kill us.

Here's hopin.

chiromikey

i do believe turbos are the way to go and will eventually happen but mb is never going to allow that until they've sold a few gullwings. afterall not many would buy one if a 63tt motor capable of all the performance was also available in a sl/cl/e at half the price???

i'm estimating a 2010 model at the earliest.

SLK55R

I seriously doubt there isn't a nice chunk of headroom built in the 63's. It would be a shock if they built a motor that they couldn't add to relatively easily for at least a few years.

Germancar1

There won't be a turbocharged E-Class of any kind until at least 2010 when the new E arrives, even it happens then. The CL/SL/S 63 models will get the turbo charged version first when their facelift comes, which should be at the same time a new SL rolls out. Then a new E will come along with a turbo version, but as far as the W211 goes the naturally aspirated 6.2 is it until the end of its production run. There will be no roll out in 2008 of a turbo E63.

M

vraa

I am your turbocharger.

chiromikey

well until the tt comes to market i guess e63 owners will have to use this:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Merce...spagenameZWD1V

ItalianStallion

LOL! My friend had something like that on his RSX.

I think the new S63 and CL63 might be turbocharged because they stalled S63 production for a full year and haven't mentioned anything about it. It should be coming around in the fall. Why would they release the S550, S600, and S65 but not the S63? Maybe they're planning something special. I also believe thats the reason why they didn't change the SL55 to a SL63, they are waiting to release the twin turbo 63. As for the E-class, maybe MB will just give it a weakened 63 TT so it can beat the M5 hands down and still not upset the S/CL 63 owners. But if that were the case, would prices of the E63TT be much higher than the current E63 or would it be like how it was when AMG released their Kompressor a year after they released the 55's?

If AMG releases the 6.3TT for their normal cars (not Gullwing or SLR-type), it will definitely be the king of the road.

MiamiAMG

Just dreaming my friend, just dreaming...........

(.....but hopefully it will come true!!!)

Marcus Frost

Gentlemen,

I know everyone constantly is holding out for hope with the 63 to be moddable, but even if the engine can take a bit of power, the GEARBOX is going to be the #1 problem facing 63 owners. The 7speed has been stated numerous times cannot hold much over 500 ft/lbs of torque, that is why the 600s and 65s STILL use the ZF 5-speed transmission. I don't even want to speculate on what it will take to make a 7-speed handle more torque, or what costs it would bear.

I've said it 1000 times, the 63 will NOT be able to compete with modified 55s. Sorry guys!

-m

Cylinder Head

iTrader: (1)

You couldn't be more right. Mercedes has the technology to slap a pair of turbo's on the 6.2 liter lump already, that's the EASY part. The hard part is that tranny. Believe that a solution is on the way, and the current 7 speed is a stopgap measure that will be improved upon in the coming years.

CynCarvin32

The MB 5 speed is not a ZF box. MB makes their own auto box unlike BMW's.

Germancar1

Why does anyone expect a stock E63 to compete with modded E55s? Isn't fair and makes no sense.

M

BlownV8

You could always go with the Brabus twin turbo conversion. It's a bit cost prohibitive but I'd bet you would have the only one on your street:
http://www.brabus.com/homee.htm

Marcus Frost

Are you sure? While I have never actually verified the claim with MB, I've read numerous times the 5-speed box used in the AMG cars is in fact a ZF 5-speed. There even was a magazine article posted on here not too long ago that also mentioned it.

If I am mistaken, I apologize.

-m

Marcus Frost

Initially the 7-speed was only capable of something like 350ft/lbs or something to that effect, and now it appears to be 500ft/lbs. I think MB is still a ways off from making a 7-speed that can handle the torque of the 65 engines like the 5-speed, but that is pure speculation.

Even if they do develop one, I would not be holding my breath for it to make it's way into the N/A 63 cars. MB has no reason to do it especially if the current 7speed in there handles the stock power output without problems.

It seems like people are very hopeful this 63 will carry the torch from the Kompressor engines and follow MBs tradition of always moving forward, but while the 63 may be smoother, rated higher power-wise, higher-revving, and technically superior, for us power junkies it won't be able to hold a candle to the 55, especially once people really start to crack it's potential. That seems like it's not far off either, especially with the likes of people like vrus putting in all the effort to raise the bars with these cars.

The TT V12 is still the better engine though

-m

AMG_55

as far as i have heard the tt will go into top of the line modles only, cl, sl and s class only. maybe now into the gl also

chiromikey

as i said mb states the 63tt motor will be exclusive to the gullwing but i mispoke when i said that would be introduced in '08. the gullwing is scheduled for the 2011 model year. with that highlighted, even a trickle down e63tt ain't happenin for a loooooooooong time.

jangy

no 6.3 TT any time soon. The 6.5TT will be here a bit for now.

Germancar1

Nope, every Mercedes transmission in all of their RWD/AWD vehicles are made in-house. The only ones that might come from an outside supplier are the units in the A/B-Classes.

M

ClayJ

I can confirm that to the best of my knowledge both the 5-speed and new 7-speed transmissions being used in the AMG vehicles is of MBZ/AMG development.