Remember how most of you doubted the new M5's performance?
#27
Out Of Control!!
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: San Diego
Posts: 13,394
Likes: 0
Received 4 Likes
on
4 Posts
2015 S212
I do remember when we doubted the M% it seems like only yesterday.
WAIT.....It was yesterday!!!
I ate one on Thursday. Blame the driver, US spec bimmers, or whatever. Either way, I ate his ars for dinner and made him bow.
WAIT.....It was yesterday!!!
I ate one on Thursday. Blame the driver, US spec bimmers, or whatever. Either way, I ate his ars for dinner and made him bow.
#28
Administrator
![](https://staticssl.ibsrv.net/autocomm/Content/MB/mbwambassador2.gif)
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: THE Orange County, California
Posts: 11,921
Received 796 Likes
on
495 Posts
2020 Audi R8 V10, 2016 AMG GTS, 2018 E63S Edition 1, 2018 Porsche GTS Cab, 2012 C63 BS
This is not a troll thread or any sort of "bashing" towards anyone, but remember how most of you doubted the M5's performance saying it would not be anywhere near as fast as the E55 AMG because of torque or whatever? You have to admit that the result did turn out way different that you expected, agreed? I guess you shouldn't count ANY of your chicks before they hatch.
Even so, the E63 AMG and the M5 are both awesome cars.
Even so, the E63 AMG and the M5 are both awesome cars.
Both are great cars and I might go towards the Roundel again in the near future with an M6. I had an E46 M3 and an E39 M5 which I liked better than my W210 E55.
#30
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Toronto,ON
Posts: 2,793
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
AMG
ok lets spice up things here Because the thread is dying!!! Oh Noes!!!
M5 is the Best car and Beats all your moded e55's after 150mph!!! How baout that! Huh!?
Noone saw THAT COMING!![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
M5 is the Best car and Beats all your moded e55's after 150mph!!! How baout that! Huh!?
Noone saw THAT COMING!
![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
![woowoo](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/woowoo.gif)
#31
#32
Super Member
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Monroe, Louisiana
Posts: 791
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
SL 65 AMG and E63s AMG
#33
MBWorld Fanatic!
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: The Magic City
Posts: 5,107
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
C63
Both cars cost the same & have nearly identical perfromance numbers. If you bought an M5 you could have bought an E55 & vice versa. Some people like AMG others like M, leave it at that & stop trolling.
![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
#34
MBWorld Fanatic!
Wow am I the only one who remebers who kain is lol
nice flame bait there bro...I though you wered banned like 20 times on here back in the day
did your father ever get the M5 lol
and impro idon;t think it would of made a huge difference if they started from 20mph or even 15
AA tuning said the car makes like 40 ftlbs less tourqe across the powerband in first gear and they can't figure out how to get the engines full power.
that is why alot of people say the M5 wakes up after first gear
nice flame bait there bro...I though you wered banned like 20 times on here back in the day
did your father ever get the M5 lol
and impro idon;t think it would of made a huge difference if they started from 20mph or even 15
AA tuning said the car makes like 40 ftlbs less tourqe across the powerband in first gear and they can't figure out how to get the engines full power.
that is why alot of people say the M5 wakes up after first gear
Last edited by skratch77; 11-05-2006 at 01:04 AM.
#35
and impro idon;t think it would of made a huge difference if they started from 20mph or even 15
AA tuning said the car makes like 40 ftlbs less tourqe across the powerband in first gear and they can't figure out how to get the engines full power.
that is why alot of people say the M5 wakes up after first gear
AA tuning said the car makes like 40 ftlbs less tourqe across the powerband in first gear and they can't figure out how to get the engines full power.
that is why alot of people say the M5 wakes up after first gear
The M5 produces its max torque at 52 km/h and drops off much more slowly after that, producing 88% of its max torque at its horsepower peak.
What you believe is irrelevant; the numbers clearly show that between 50 km/h and redline in first gear, the M5 has a marked, clear advantage.
I do agree with you that the M5 comes alive after first gear, which is again because the extremely close ratios of its seven-speed transmission keeps the engine right in the sweet spot in each gear thereafter. Which also gives it an edge to begin the race above 6,000 rpm in first.
#37
Banned
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Southern California
Posts: 2,855
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
S600TT, R350
" ........... in the end it all comes down to the nut behind the wheel ............"
This quote belongs to EVERY driving instructor in EVERY high-performance driving school in the world.
This quote belongs to EVERY driving instructor in EVERY high-performance driving school in the world.
#38
MBWorld Fanatic!
Well, you're wrong. The E55 produces its max torque from about 30 km/h to 50 km/h, and drops off rapidly after that, producing 80% of its max torque at its horsepower peak.
The M5 produces its max torque at 52 km/h and drops off much more slowly after that, producing 88% of its max torque at its horsepower peak.
What you believe is irrelevant; the numbers clearly show that between 50 km/h and redline in first gear, the M5 has a marked, clear advantage.
I do agree with you that the M5 comes alive after first gear, which is again because the extremely close ratios of its seven-speed transmission keeps the engine right in the sweet spot in each gear thereafter. Which also gives it an edge to begin the race above 6,000 rpm in first.
The M5 produces its max torque at 52 km/h and drops off much more slowly after that, producing 88% of its max torque at its horsepower peak.
What you believe is irrelevant; the numbers clearly show that between 50 km/h and redline in first gear, the M5 has a marked, clear advantage.
I do agree with you that the M5 comes alive after first gear, which is again because the extremely close ratios of its seven-speed transmission keeps the engine right in the sweet spot in each gear thereafter. Which also gives it an edge to begin the race above 6,000 rpm in first.
it is hard programed in there and tuners are trying to unleash it
and trying to figure out why the euro cars when using L/C will rev to 8400 in 1st,2nd and 3rd but only when the car shifts its self
the US version dosnt shift by itself and has the detuned L/C aswell
so what you believe about your whole sitting around playing with numbers thread is irrelevant because the M5 dosnt make what you think it does in first gear.
call AA tuning and ask them if the car is detuned in first gear and ask them how much power it makes then you can do all the math you want and get back to us
Last edited by skratch77; 11-06-2006 at 03:04 PM.
#39
it is hard programed in there and tuners are trying to unleash it
and trying to figure out why the euro cars when using L/C will rev to 8400 in 1st,2nd and 3rd but only when the car shifts its self
the US version dosnt shift by itself and has the detuned L/C aswell
so what you believe about your whole sitting around playing with numbers thread is irrelevant because the M5 dosnt make what you think it does in first gear.
and trying to figure out why the euro cars when using L/C will rev to 8400 in 1st,2nd and 3rd but only when the car shifts its self
the US version dosnt shift by itself and has the detuned L/C aswell
so what you believe about your whole sitting around playing with numbers thread is irrelevant because the M5 dosnt make what you think it does in first gear.
And launch control doesn't have anything to do with the car's torque peak in a rolling-start race...now does it?
Do you have any documentation to show that BMW is as you're alleging lying to its customers, and that the car doesn't make max power or max torque in first gear? Or, for that matter, that it makes its peak torque in first gear at 6,100 rpm?
#40
MBWorld Fanatic!
Oh so now Im a liar...Call aa tuning and ask for your self...IM not going to waist my time searching for the aa post when they were the first to crack the M5s ecu in the states.
It had to do with the smg tranny and first gear tuning was locked out and detuned from BMW
maybe just maybe BMW did it to make the car more drivable in first gear
and no L/C dosnt have anything to do with a rolling start but DID YOU READ WHERE I TYPED THAT THE EURO LC CARS REV PAST THE US SPEC ONES WHEN USED
jesus you are so uptight about every little thing I say and completely overlook the parts that im trying to stress out
the us cars dont rev to 8400 rpms now do they????
It had to do with the smg tranny and first gear tuning was locked out and detuned from BMW
maybe just maybe BMW did it to make the car more drivable in first gear
and no L/C dosnt have anything to do with a rolling start but DID YOU READ WHERE I TYPED THAT THE EURO LC CARS REV PAST THE US SPEC ONES WHEN USED
jesus you are so uptight about every little thing I say and completely overlook the parts that im trying to stress out
the us cars dont rev to 8400 rpms now do they????
Last edited by skratch77; 11-06-2006 at 09:39 PM.
#42
Oh, no...it is far more plausible that BMW is lying, not a BMW troll like you who is here constantly striving to convince us all of the absolute, total superiority of BMW (in your mind, that is).
Or maybe these guys are full of ****, and are just trying to sell stuff. "Make it more drivable in first gear"...what a load of baloney.
It has to be true; you read it on the Internet! ![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
And you didn't answer my question: are you claiming that BMW inaccurately claimed a torque peak of 6,100 rpm for this car?
If not, then you've contributed nothing to this, and are about as far off base as the people up in nosebleed at Yankee Stadium, OK? You haven't proven anything you've said. And your claims are
and irrelevant.
Did you type it in English, as opposed to Gibberish like above? And even if, and I mean IF coming from you, this is true, how does this establish your claim of the car putting out lower power in first gear?
Answer: it doesn't.
Because I find you to be a very annoying, little wannabe, a young kid trolling, constantly up in our face practically jerking off about how oh-so-fantastic the stupid M cars are, as if any one of us couldn't have gotten one if we'd wanted one...
I mean, what is your goal here, skratch? To annoy people? Congratulations: you're succeeding. But you're not informative, or interesting, you're frankly a gigantic boor. You remind me of a groupie...in fact, have you ever...aww, never mind.
Again: this, IF true, has absolutely nothing to do with where the torque peak of this car occurs in first gear.
I repeat: if you have anything to show that the torque peak of this car does not occur at 6,100 rpm in first gear, then produce it. Because otherwise, you have produced a whole lot of nuthin', baby, and the data show it.
The vehicle will produce maximum acceleration in first gear at its torque peak, which is 6,100 rpm. Spew as much
as you like, but you haven't proven, or disproven, jack.
![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
![crazy](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/crazy.gif)
Call aa tuning and ask for your self...IM not going to waist my time searching for the aa post when they were the first to crack the M5s ecu in the states.
It had to do with the smg tranny and first gear tuning was locked out and detuned from BMW
maybe just maybe BMW did it to make the car more drivable in first gear
It had to do with the smg tranny and first gear tuning was locked out and detuned from BMW
maybe just maybe BMW did it to make the car more drivable in first gear
![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
And you didn't answer my question: are you claiming that BMW inaccurately claimed a torque peak of 6,100 rpm for this car?
If not, then you've contributed nothing to this, and are about as far off base as the people up in nosebleed at Yankee Stadium, OK? You haven't proven anything you've said. And your claims are
![off topic](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/ot.gif)
Answer: it doesn't.
I mean, what is your goal here, skratch? To annoy people? Congratulations: you're succeeding. But you're not informative, or interesting, you're frankly a gigantic boor. You remind me of a groupie...in fact, have you ever...aww, never mind.
![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
Again: this, IF true, has absolutely nothing to do with where the torque peak of this car occurs in first gear.
I repeat: if you have anything to show that the torque peak of this car does not occur at 6,100 rpm in first gear, then produce it. Because otherwise, you have produced a whole lot of nuthin', baby, and the data show it.
The vehicle will produce maximum acceleration in first gear at its torque peak, which is 6,100 rpm. Spew as much
![off topic](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/ot.gif)
![bs](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/bs.gif)
Last edited by Improviz; 11-07-2006 at 02:19 AM.
#46
Member
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
2011 Porsche Carrera GTS, 2009 BMW 750Li, 2011 Ferrari 458, 2011 SLS AMG, 2012 C63 AMG BS
Had an E60 M5 for 3 months. Sold it and got a 2006 E55. Got K1 installed. So much quicker its not even comparable. Maybe M5 is great after 130, but I don't care about that. My main interest is 0 to 80 or in-gear acceleration up to 100. Anything else is reserved for the track.