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E63 vs. E55
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We are faster over 150 mph
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We are faster over 150 mph
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I remember when my Dad gave me my first car in 1979. It was a 1966 Ford LTD. My Grandfather asked me "well, how do like your car?" I said "I want to change the carb, put headers on, advance the timing etc., etc." He said why? I replied "I want it to be fast" He said "Have you gotten a speeding ticket?" I said "Yes Sir" (Wondering to myself, how the hell did he know that?
) He said "Well, it seems to be plenty fast enough to me."
I have not owned/driven an E55, but the E63 is plenty fast enough for me.
) He said "Well, it seems to be plenty fast enough to me." I have not owned/driven an E55, but the E63 is plenty fast enough for me.
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In my previous post, I didn't want to specific point to anyone, but it seems that you want to be a tough guy and calling me out, I have to make a stand, cause you assume I call my E55 a race car, well, I wouldn't call it that. As other respectable members said, Z06 is a good example, also, the Carrera GT, Enzo, Ford GT. The list goes on, but I don't want to go overboard. I am also experienced with many Imports, mainly Subaru's, EVO's, and Honda's tuning works, so I know how important tuning is when combining optimal performance with streetability. Making the comment as you did makes you seem like a complete newbie when it comes to modifying any car, so please do us and Mercedes a favor, leave your precious E63 as it is, it will hurt me so much to see a prestine vehicle messed up by idiots like you.
In my previous post, I didn't want to specific point to anyone, but it seems that you want to be a tough guy and calling me out, I have to make a stand, cause you assume I call my E55 a race car, well, I wouldn't call it that. As other respectable members said, Z06 is a good example, also, the Carrera GT, Enzo, Ford GT. The list goes on, but I don't want to go overboard. I am also experienced with many Imports, mainly Subaru's, EVO's, and Honda's tuning works, so I know how important tuning is when combining optimal performance with streetability. Making the comment as you did makes you seem like a complete newbie when it comes to modifying any car, so please do us and Mercedes a favor, leave your precious E63 as it is, it will hurt me so much to see a prestine vehicle messed up by idiots like you.
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Seems like this same debate just gets reposted in a new thread every week or so.
I really don't understand why. The 63 owners all seem very content with their 63's. The 55 owners all feel their car is the best thing sine sliced bread, and that is great too.
So lets just drop it.
The 63 is a very fast car. Faster than 98% of anything you will actually encounter on the road.
The 55 is a bit faster, and can be made to be a whole lot faster if you are into modding.
But in reality, in their stock form, both are really just fast luxury sedans.
If all you care about is how fast your car is on a 1/4 mile, maybe you should find a drag racing forum to post on. Of course people there with 10 sec cars might not be as impressed with you 12.2...
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I really don't understand why. The 63 owners all seem very content with their 63's. The 55 owners all feel their car is the best thing sine sliced bread, and that is great too.
So lets just drop it.
The 63 is a very fast car. Faster than 98% of anything you will actually encounter on the road.
The 55 is a bit faster, and can be made to be a whole lot faster if you are into modding.
But in reality, in their stock form, both are really just fast luxury sedans.
If all you care about is how fast your car is on a 1/4 mile, maybe you should find a drag racing forum to post on. Of course people there with 10 sec cars might not be as impressed with you 12.2...
PT
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We AMG drivers are all on the same side of this debate!
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I think the issue is not whether the E63 is faster or slower than the E55. I agree that would be petty. I think the real issue that is emerging is why do the E63's show so much variation? Based upon Cory's dyno post, and Derek's times, there is evidence that at least some E63's are slow, and are possibly not even making their rated power. I want to love the E63; I'm just afraid when the time comes to replace my beloved E55 that I''ll end up with one of the slow E63's. I'm sure any E63 owner would be unhappy discovering that their car was not making the power promised. This community may be uniquely aware that AMG may not be delivering what it is promising. I doubt a single E55 owner is gloating over the E55 vs. E63 debate... almost all of us are likely customers for E63's in the next few years and we are concerned that the available replacement car is not what we want AMG to provide us.
We AMG drivers are all on the same side of this debate!
We AMG drivers are all on the same side of this debate!
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I think the issue is not whether the E63 is faster or slower than the E55. I agree that would be petty. I think the real issue that is emerging is why do the E63's show so much variation? Based upon Cory's dyno post, and Derek's times, there is evidence that at least some E63's are slow, and are possibly not even making their rated power. I want to love the E63; I'm just afraid when the time comes to replace my beloved E55 that I''ll end up with one of the slow E63's. I'm sure any E63 owner would be unhappy discovering that their car was not making the power promised. This community may be uniquely aware that AMG may not be delivering what it is promising. I doubt a single E55 owner is gloating over the E55 vs. E63 debate... almost all of us are likely customers for E63's in the next few years and we are concerned that the available replacement car is not what we want AMG to provide us.
We AMG drivers are all on the same side of this debate!
We AMG drivers are all on the same side of this debate!
"The 6.2 negligibly outperforms the old car in every acceleration test, reaching 100 mph in 9.5 and 150 in 23.5 seconds; 0.2, and 0.5 seconds quicker. The 12.5-second quarter-mile time is identical between the two cars, but the 63 carries one extra mph through the lights." - Car and Driver
It seems that regardless of dyno numbers posted and dereks time, the car performs as well as the 55 when tested.
So yes, AMG's new model is not faster by any real margin then the old one, but so what? Maybe once you have a sedan that goes 0-60 in 4.0 seconds and a 1/4 mile in 12.x its time to start making improvements in other areas, like handling, braking, etc.
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stock for stock, the 63 is better without a doubt and when you begin to modify a car, comparing it with a stock car is just ridiculous. the 63 sounds better, the engine itself is more advanced, 7g is better, seats are better, rims are better, kit is better, brakes are better, etc...
"Stock for stock the E63 is better" ... hardly clear to me on the testing I did. SL55 proved marginally faster.
"63 sounds better" ... agreed (sounds great!!!)
"More advanced engine" ... agreed 4valves vvt, variable induction etc...
"7g is better" ... No chance. The gearing is up the pole and is not any quicker on shifts nor does it have the robustness of the 5sp.
"Seats are better" ... I found them no different in terms of comfort ... styling is neither here nor there for me. No dynamic option available.
"Rims are better" ... personally I think they are worse than the style IV's... but thats my opinion.
"Kit is better"... personally I think it looks awkward ... especially the pointed nose. The little comsetic slits on the fender ahead of the front wheels are a joke. This type of cosmetic element does not belong on this car... it must have a practical use. Again personal opinion.
"Brakes are better" ... agreed 100% - even if its just for knowing the SBC cannot fail. Much more +ve feel too.
Some things I can add...
Mirrors - nice touch - more sleek.
Instruments - prefer the old silver colour scheme.
Steering feel - marginally better ... but no where near a Bimmer.
Balance - Better. Also feels more controlled under power out of corners - mbe its the LSD or its more controllable torque.
Steering Wheel - better - closer to MP designs than E55 stock unit (which is a joke) - but still not as nice as MP sport wheel.
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I agree, but look at the recent review by Car and Driver of the E63 Wagon. They have it being faster then the E55 by a narrow margin in all tested catagories, and identical in 1/4 mile:
"The 6.2 negligibly outperforms the old car in every acceleration test, reaching 100 mph in 9.5 and 150 in 23.5 seconds; 0.2, and 0.5 seconds quicker. The 12.5-second quarter-mile time is identical between the two cars, but the 63 carries one extra mph through the lights." - Car and Driver
It seems that regardless of dyno numbers posted and dereks time, the car performs as well as the 55 when tested.
So yes, AMG's new model is not faster by any real margin then the old one, but so what? Maybe once you have a sedan that goes 0-60 in 4.0 seconds and a 1/4 mile in 12.x its time to start making improvements in other areas, like handling, braking, etc.
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"The 6.2 negligibly outperforms the old car in every acceleration test, reaching 100 mph in 9.5 and 150 in 23.5 seconds; 0.2, and 0.5 seconds quicker. The 12.5-second quarter-mile time is identical between the two cars, but the 63 carries one extra mph through the lights." - Car and Driver
It seems that regardless of dyno numbers posted and dereks time, the car performs as well as the 55 when tested.
So yes, AMG's new model is not faster by any real margin then the old one, but so what? Maybe once you have a sedan that goes 0-60 in 4.0 seconds and a 1/4 mile in 12.x its time to start making improvements in other areas, like handling, braking, etc.
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I know what I'm going to say is sacrilige but.....
unfortunately MB mods a luxury car slightly to make it fast a quick, BMW builds a purpose built no holds barred sports sedan that is almost too much for use as a daily driver.
Having said that I picked the E because it is easier to live with and just more comfortable IMO. I love the extra power of a AMG but all the handling, bells and whistles, and performance at speeds that I'll never see prolly won't get me to change back.
I'll say it again and I hope Rob is listening. AMG needs to get rid of the airbag suspension, lighten up the package, and build a purpose built sporting transmission, auto or clutched. The bean counters at MB won't do it tho because they can sell all they can build at a minimum of extra cost.
unfortunately MB mods a luxury car slightly to make it fast a quick, BMW builds a purpose built no holds barred sports sedan that is almost too much for use as a daily driver.
Having said that I picked the E because it is easier to live with and just more comfortable IMO. I love the extra power of a AMG but all the handling, bells and whistles, and performance at speeds that I'll never see prolly won't get me to change back.
I'll say it again and I hope Rob is listening. AMG needs to get rid of the airbag suspension, lighten up the package, and build a purpose built sporting transmission, auto or clutched. The bean counters at MB won't do it tho because they can sell all they can build at a minimum of extra cost.
