70 rwhp is back--Thank You Kleemann!
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70 rwhp is back--Thank You Kleemann!
If you guys remember after the famous air pump flash I lost about 70 rwhp with no help from MB and nothing to do. I posted my dyno sheet and no shop or entity could help me at that time.
Well, Kleemann licked the problem and got me my power back. My car now has all its b-lls back. Thank you Kleemann and especially Cory, you guys are the best.
PS: My Dealer acknowledged there was a power loss but there was nothing they could do.
Well, Kleemann licked the problem and got me my power back. My car now has all its b-lls back. Thank you Kleemann and especially Cory, you guys are the best.
PS: My Dealer acknowledged there was a power loss but there was nothing they could do.
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I don't know the tech side of the issue only my experience. I showed my Dealer before and after dynos of my car and they acknowledged the loss and said some 2003 and 2004 were having problems. They basically blew me off saying "at least its winter so you really can't run hard anyway". I told them I couldn't trust MB or AMG for additional purchases. They in turn contacted MB who said there was no problem. The Dealer then said maybe one of the tuners may figure it out and to try them. I have a K2 and Cory had been working on it with no success until this last flash. It’s pitiful that we can't count on MB and have to rely on the tuners.
Thank goodness Kleemann was able to solve it. I lived with the loss for about 6 months and was a hair away from selling the car.
Thank goodness Kleemann was able to solve it. I lived with the loss for about 6 months and was a hair away from selling the car.
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If you guys remember after the famous air pump flash I lost about 70 rwhp with no help from MB and nothing to do. I posted my dyno sheet and no shop or entity could help me at that time.
Well, Kleemann licked the problem and got me my power back. My car now has all its b-lls back. Thank you Kleemann and especially Cory, you guys are the best.
PS: My Dealer acknowledged there was a power loss but there was nothing they could do.
Well, Kleemann licked the problem and got me my power back. My car now has all its b-lls back. Thank you Kleemann and especially Cory, you guys are the best.
PS: My Dealer acknowledged there was a power loss but there was nothing they could do.
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Posts: 442 Not true. Kleemann or Renntech can re-flash after the MB re-flash. I have the pulley on my car so I didn't run the car hard until after I got the ECU back from Kleemann. I wouldn't worry about the re-flash. I think we've had enough guys on her that have had it done and haven't seen any change in numbers. All of the complaints about power lose is purely guys guessing by the feel. It's all in their heads. Proof is in the numbers.
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Posts: 442 Not true. Kleemann or Renntech can re-flash after the MB re-flash. I have the pulley on my car so I didn't run the car hard until after I got the ECU back from Kleemann. I wouldn't worry about the re-flash. I think we've had enough guys on her that have had it done and haven't seen any change in numbers. All of the complaints about power lose is purely guys guessing by the feel. It's all in their heads. Proof is in the numbers.
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If you guys remember after the famous air pump flash I lost about 70 rwhp with no help from MB and nothing to do. I posted my dyno sheet and no shop or entity could help me at that time.
Well, Kleemann licked the problem and got me my power back. My car now has all its b-lls back. Thank you Kleemann and especially Cory, you guys are the best.
PS: My Dealer acknowledged there was a power loss but there was nothing they could do.
Well, Kleemann licked the problem and got me my power back. My car now has all its b-lls back. Thank you Kleemann and especially Cory, you guys are the best.
PS: My Dealer acknowledged there was a power loss but there was nothing they could do.
DSC - I will be getting my ECU tomorrow from kleemann. Cory mentioned on his email that the new K2 program has been producing excellent results. I will soon confirm. Enjoy and be safe.
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I don't know the tech side of the issue only my experience. I showed my Dealer before and after dynos of my car and they acknowledged the loss and said some 2003 and 2004 were having problems. They basically blew me off saying "at least its winter so you really can't run hard anyway". I told them I couldn't trust MB or AMG for additional purchases. They in turn contacted MB who said there was no problem. The Dealer then said maybe one of the tuners may figure it out and to try them. I have a K2 and Cory had been working on it with no success until this last flash. It’s pitiful that we can't count on MB and have to rely on the tuners.
Thank goodness Kleemann was able to solve it. I lived with the loss for about 6 months and was a hair away from selling the car.
Thank goodness Kleemann was able to solve it. I lived with the loss for about 6 months and was a hair away from selling the car.
I'm continually astonished with some of the crap these guys spew out and keep a straight face. Do they take some kind of course to come up with this BS? I also like how they sent you to a tuner - until (God forbid) you have serious engine problems, then they'll void your warranty for using aftermarket tuners!
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I dont understand why everyone is surprised when a modded car no longer works properly when a modded ECU map is replaced with a stock one that is purposely unfriendly towards mods....?
Why should MB support this anyway? ... they will make it more and more difficult for aftermarket tuners as they want to take this business for their Performance Studio.
I think its cheeky of MB but dont see what they have done is wrong.
Why should MB support this anyway? ... they will make it more and more difficult for aftermarket tuners as they want to take this business for their Performance Studio.
I think its cheeky of MB but dont see what they have done is wrong.
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I dont understand why everyone is surprised when a modded car no longer works properly when a modded ECU map is replaced with a stock one that is purposely unfriendly towards mods....?
Why should MB support this anyway? ... they will make it more and more difficult for aftermarket tuners as they want to take this business for their Performance Studio.
I think its cheeky of MB but dont see what they have done is wrong.
Why should MB support this anyway? ... they will make it more and more difficult for aftermarket tuners as they want to take this business for their Performance Studio.
I think its cheeky of MB but dont see what they have done is wrong.
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I raised holy hell until they found me an "un-updated" phone.
I drowned that one, and now am stuck with updated software.
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And, Nokia did it to my 8860 phone a few years back. They "upgraded" the software and deleted the happy birthday ringtone. Seems as though the song was copyrighted. I never did get it back. Imagine that, you can't legally sing happy birthday without paying royalties.
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I dont understand why everyone is surprised when a modded car no longer works properly when a modded ECU map is replaced with a stock one that is purposely unfriendly towards mods....?
Why should MB support this anyway? ... they will make it more and more difficult for aftermarket tuners as they want to take this business for their Performance Studio.
I think its cheeky of MB but dont see what they have done is wrong.
Why should MB support this anyway? ... they will make it more and more difficult for aftermarket tuners as they want to take this business for their Performance Studio.
I think its cheeky of MB but dont see what they have done is wrong.
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My issue is I purchased the car a particular way. I didn't change my money but they changed my car, to a car I didn't purchase. I bought a software package that they took away. That software is what I paid for. I don't care if they pull the warranty because I modified it. I understand their position and if I choose to modify it and lose my warranty then that’s my decision. I'm cool with that. Just give me what I originally purchased or give something better, not less.
.........To those that don't understand the concept. Imagine you get home one day, and your home had been secretly entered by your builder and the wiring changed such that the large refrigerator you bought no longer works, your stove no longer works, your remote control lights no longer work. You did not ask for the wiring to be changed. The builder views your home as his master piece and did not want any stupid aftermarket stoves or refrigerators or lights in your home. Will you call your builder and thank him or will you be pissed?
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I think I understand the concept all too well ... and agree you should be able to decide if you want the "upgrade" or not.
My point is MB have no obligation to make the upgrade compatible with mods. But they SHOULD give you the option if you want it or not.
The problem that arises is when the "update" has components that perhaps affects other elements of the cars safety ... for arguments sake lets say the update also has some SBC reprogramming ... and lets say they cannot seperate the code ... this could be problematic. They may have a major safety issue at hand that needs fixing (which in fact it really does btw...)
One could argue the SBC should have been 100% from the start - but it aint so what to do in this case?
Actually these MB f*kers should be spending night and day sorting out the SBC rather than inserting load limiting code - or whatever they are doing to ECU's...
My point is MB have no obligation to make the upgrade compatible with mods. But they SHOULD give you the option if you want it or not.
The problem that arises is when the "update" has components that perhaps affects other elements of the cars safety ... for arguments sake lets say the update also has some SBC reprogramming ... and lets say they cannot seperate the code ... this could be problematic. They may have a major safety issue at hand that needs fixing (which in fact it really does btw...)
One could argue the SBC should have been 100% from the start - but it aint so what to do in this case?
Actually these MB f*kers should be spending night and day sorting out the SBC rather than inserting load limiting code - or whatever they are doing to ECU's...
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I think I understand the concept all too well ... and agree you should be able to decide if you want the "upgrade" or not.
My point is MB have no obligation to make the upgrade compatible with mods. But they SHOULD give you the option if you want it or not.
The problem that arises is when the "update" has components that perhaps affects other elements of the cars safety ... for arguments sake lets say the update also has some SBC reprogramming ... and lets say they cannot seperate the code ... this could be problematic. They may have a major safety issue at hand that needs fixing (which in fact it really does btw...)
One could argue the SBC should have been 100% from the start - but it aint so what to do in this case?
Actually these MB f*kers should be spending night and day sorting out the SBC rather than inserting load limiting code - or whatever they are doing to ECU's...
My point is MB have no obligation to make the upgrade compatible with mods. But they SHOULD give you the option if you want it or not.
The problem that arises is when the "update" has components that perhaps affects other elements of the cars safety ... for arguments sake lets say the update also has some SBC reprogramming ... and lets say they cannot seperate the code ... this could be problematic. They may have a major safety issue at hand that needs fixing (which in fact it really does btw...)
One could argue the SBC should have been 100% from the start - but it aint so what to do in this case?
Actually these MB f*kers should be spending night and day sorting out the SBC rather than inserting load limiting code - or whatever they are doing to ECU's...
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Guys I sympathize with the MB issue completely...but on the iPod analogy sorry you have it all wrong....you may own the iPod itself but the software is on a license and you don't own that (you own a right to use only).
So in effect Apple can (and do) come into your iPod (via iTunes) and make changes all the time. Some of these changes added DRM (digital rights management) to prevent you from playing your own purchased songs on "too many different machines" (for fear you will leave multiple copies behind).
BTW many people I know do not upgrade their iPod sw precisely to stay at a functional level they want to preserve...and they miss out on certain new features (funny how they always add a new attractive feature when they add restrictions :-)....in effect they have guessed that Apple are up to something they don't want and have opted out.
Microsoft does it all the time too with Windows and other products. When it comes to software you are constantly being scr*wed behind the scenes.
Now until we sign a software use license with a car purchase (and OMG that can't be far off!) the in the case of our cars even the Software is yours and you alone own it. So as we have all said rightly MB should not change it without your permission and they ought to FULLY explain the mods that change will make to all the functions of the car....which they NEVER do.
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So in effect Apple can (and do) come into your iPod (via iTunes) and make changes all the time. Some of these changes added DRM (digital rights management) to prevent you from playing your own purchased songs on "too many different machines" (for fear you will leave multiple copies behind).
BTW many people I know do not upgrade their iPod sw precisely to stay at a functional level they want to preserve...and they miss out on certain new features (funny how they always add a new attractive feature when they add restrictions :-)....in effect they have guessed that Apple are up to something they don't want and have opted out.
Microsoft does it all the time too with Windows and other products. When it comes to software you are constantly being scr*wed behind the scenes.
Now until we sign a software use license with a car purchase (and OMG that can't be far off!) the in the case of our cars even the Software is yours and you alone own it. So as we have all said rightly MB should not change it without your permission and they ought to FULLY explain the mods that change will make to all the functions of the car....which they NEVER do.
Regards
Phil
