E55 = C6 Z06: What's it take?
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you have to take into consideration....sure, some C6 Z06's trap 124-127.....but that is not the "majority". What I'm trying to say is, it is too much of a blanket statement to say an E55 with the aforementioned mods cannot stay with a C6 Z06....because he very well could. I know everyone always throw the "best" trapspeeds of Z06's out....the mid 125 and up ones...but most are not trapping that. More like 118-123 for the average driver. I have ran a couple C6 Z06s now, and though going in, I thought I had no chance top-end, it actually turned out quite nicely (taken the C6 Z06 's on 50-140 runs, roll-ons). My car also only traps 118-122ish at Sea Level. Bottom line is, it is most likely he will be right there with a C6 Z06, even on highway rolls.
I am on the Z06 forum every day. I went there just now and clicked on a random thread and here are some times:
Silver 06Z06 Bone Stock
11.242@122.38, 1.688 60' @ Atco,NJ 11/17/06 +500DA
Timeslip
Bone stock on DR's:11.05@127.07,1.664 60'@MIR,MD. 2/23/07
'06 Z06 red 73 passes
Bone Stock Stock Tires……11.22 127.16 1.85 60'
Bone Stock DRs......….…….10.85 129.50 1.67 60'
Finally, why are we talking about your S4 - when the guy was asking about an E55?
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I have had two encounters with the C6 Z06, one on the street and one at the track.
The street race was about 4 months ago. From a dig, he jumped out to 1/2 car and I held him all the way to about 120. I think with the sprint booster now he wouldn't get the jump. It's funny, it was a black Z06 with black wheels just like the one in the Ford GT vs. Z06 video.
Here's the link for the track race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
That Z06 was cammed, headers, intake and tune. I ran a 12.16 and he ran an 11.759. He obviouslly destroyed me out of the hole (315 DR's vs 265 Contis) but didn't gain anything down the track.
Granted, I'm not stock but I think my E has done respectable against the big, bad C6 Z06.
That being said, there is no way a stock E55 is going to hang with a stock C6 Z06. The video was interesting because I didn't think the Z06 should have pulled the Ford GT that hard. I suspect that wasn't an accurate accounting of how both those cars should have run together. Just my 2 cents worth.
The street race was about 4 months ago. From a dig, he jumped out to 1/2 car and I held him all the way to about 120. I think with the sprint booster now he wouldn't get the jump. It's funny, it was a black Z06 with black wheels just like the one in the Ford GT vs. Z06 video.
Here's the link for the track race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
That Z06 was cammed, headers, intake and tune. I ran a 12.16 and he ran an 11.759. He obviouslly destroyed me out of the hole (315 DR's vs 265 Contis) but didn't gain anything down the track.
Granted, I'm not stock but I think my E has done respectable against the big, bad C6 Z06.
That being said, there is no way a stock E55 is going to hang with a stock C6 Z06. The video was interesting because I didn't think the Z06 should have pulled the Ford GT that hard. I suspect that wasn't an accurate accounting of how both those cars should have run together. Just my 2 cents worth.
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I have had two encounters with the C6 Z06, one on the street and one at the track.
The street race was about 4 months ago. From a dig, he jumped out to 1/2 car and I held him all the way to about 120. I think with the sprint booster now he wouldn't get the jump. It's funny, it was a black Z06 with black wheels just like the one in the Ford GT vs. Z06 video.
Here's the link for the track race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
That Z06 was cammed, headers, intake and tune. I ran a 12.16 and he ran an 11.759. He obviouslly destroyed me out of the hole (315 DR's vs 265 Contis) but didn't gain anything down the track.
Granted, I'm not stock but I think my E has done respectable against the big, bad C6 Z06.
That being said, there is no way a stock E55 is going to hang with a stock C6 Z06. The video was interesting because I didn't think the Z06 should have pulled the Ford GT that hard. I suspect that wasn't an accurate accounting of how both those cars should have run together. Just my 2 cents worth.
The street race was about 4 months ago. From a dig, he jumped out to 1/2 car and I held him all the way to about 120. I think with the sprint booster now he wouldn't get the jump. It's funny, it was a black Z06 with black wheels just like the one in the Ford GT vs. Z06 video.
Here's the link for the track race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
That Z06 was cammed, headers, intake and tune. I ran a 12.16 and he ran an 11.759. He obviouslly destroyed me out of the hole (315 DR's vs 265 Contis) but didn't gain anything down the track.
Granted, I'm not stock but I think my E has done respectable against the big, bad C6 Z06.
That being said, there is no way a stock E55 is going to hang with a stock C6 Z06. The video was interesting because I didn't think the Z06 should have pulled the Ford GT that hard. I suspect that wasn't an accurate accounting of how both those cars should have run together. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Please do not post fallacies. Do not use words like "most" - when you are not in a position to do so. C5 Z06s trap 118mph, not C6 Z06s. You tell me how a 505hp car @ 3100lbs will only trap 118mph. C6 Z06s trap 122-127 - stock. Long tubes, a tune, and air filter, you're bordering 130 if not more.
I am on the Z06 forum every day. I went there just now and clicked on a random thread and here are some times:
Silver 06Z06 Bone Stock
11.242@122.38, 1.688 60' @ Atco,NJ 11/17/06 +500DA
Timeslip
Bone stock on DR's:11.05@127.07,1.664 60'@MIR,MD. 2/23/07
'06 Z06 red 73 passes
Bone Stock Stock Tires……11.22 127.16 1.85 60'
Bone Stock DRs......….…….10.85 129.50 1.67 60'
Finally, why are we talking about your S4 - when the guy was asking about an E55?
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I am on the Z06 forum every day. I went there just now and clicked on a random thread and here are some times:
Silver 06Z06 Bone Stock
11.242@122.38, 1.688 60' @ Atco,NJ 11/17/06 +500DA
Timeslip
Bone stock on DR's:11.05@127.07,1.664 60'@MIR,MD. 2/23/07
'06 Z06 red 73 passes
Bone Stock Stock Tires……11.22 127.16 1.85 60'
Bone Stock DRs......….…….10.85 129.50 1.67 60'
Finally, why are we talking about your S4 - when the guy was asking about an E55?
-m
fallacies? Sorry Marcus.....but you seem like you sound exactly like the typical guy I was describing.....to post the better times of Bone stock C6 Z06's. Here is why.....
you posted the Atco slip....with a 122 MPH trap. I said and I quote "More like 118-123 for the average driver". That is right in range.....and the slip is at Atco, one of the fastest tracks in the US....period. Please don't pull #'s from Z06 forums....as only the best times and runs are posted and not crappy passes. You want to see what "Bone Stock Z06's" run out here in SoCal tracks? I have yet to see an 11, as all the Z06's I've seen (about 4 or 5 different ones) have run anywhere from 12.2 to 13.1 and trapping 115-121. You want to throw the best #'s from forums out at me......well, we must talk about the real life #'s that we see as well. And bringing up "Ranger's" record setting passes.....oh please, you'd think we have not heard about them enough already. Bottom line is......Ranger has over 2000 or something passes in Z06 Vettes.....he's a drag race expert extraordinaire....and his results DO NOT represent what most if not almost ALL Z06's can or will do.
Also....Rangers passes at MIR were done at Sea Level.....with DA' factored in BELOW Sea Level. Extremely ideal conditions.....and not representative of a Z06 doing some runs with a modded E55 out in normal weather.
Oh btw.....since you are posting all these Best times from Z06's.....lets post not so best times, at a bad track with elevation and DA' (Density Altitude) factored in.
Sure.....it wasn't a good driver, etc.....but his traps are WAAAY down. At that track....with an excellent driver...bone stock C6 Z06's run lo to mid 12's@116 BEST. Go ahead and ask if anyone has their best times from LACR or any strip in SoCal for that matter. They are not hitting 125 MPH traps....that is for sure.
And finally...i brought up my S4 since this the Pro Z06's guys ALWAYS argue that so and so car only traps this, and they have no chance (dreaming, etc) against the Z06. Fact is....an E55 AMG with Pulley, Headers, and ECU will very well run right with or beat a Z06.....whilst trapping "only" in the lo 120's range. Just like my car. That was my point.
PS. 118 traps from a C5 Z06..............riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Throw Ranger in the drivers seat......at ideal sea level tracks with excellent conditions, of course a stock C5 Z06 will trap 118. But in reality......they are mid/lo 12 cars trapping 112-115.....in most circumstances.
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That Ford GT in the video sounded almost exactly like my old '02 Lightning. That was some serious ownage from by the Vette, especially considering the price discrepancy bewteen the two. However, if the same $$ it took to mod the Z06 were used to mod the GT, wouldn't the GT handle the Z06 relatively easily. Just food for thought.
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you posted the Atco slip....with a 122 MPH trap. I said and I quote "More like 118-123 for the average driver". That is right in range.....and the slip is at Atco, one of the fastest tracks in the US....period. Please don't pull #'s from Z06 forums....as only the best times and runs are posted and not crappy passes. You want to see what "Bone Stock Z06's" run out here in SoCal tracks?
I have yet to see an 11, as all the Z06's I've seen (about 4 or 5 different ones) have run anywhere from 12.2 to 13.1 and trapping 115-121. You want to throw the best #'s from forums out at me......well, we must talk about the real life #'s that we see as well.
And bringing up "Ranger's" record setting passes.....oh please, you'd think we have not heard about them enough already. Bottom line is......Ranger has over 2000 or something passes in Z06 Vettes.....he's a drag race expert extraordinaire....and his results DO NOT represent what most if not almost ALL Z06's can or will do.
Also....Rangers passes at MIR were done at Sea Level.....with DA' factored in BELOW Sea Level. Extremely ideal conditions.....and not representative of a Z06 doing some runs with a modded E55 out in normal weather.
Oh btw.....since you are posting all these Best times from Z06's.....lets post not so best times, at a bad track with elevation and DA' (Density Altitude) factored in.
Sure.....it wasn't a good driver, etc.....but his traps are WAAAY down. At that track....with an excellent driver...bone stock C6 Z06's run lo to mid 12's@116 BEST. Go ahead and ask if anyone has their best times from LACR or any strip in SoCal for that matter. They are not hitting 125 MPH traps....that is for sure.
Sure.....it wasn't a good driver, etc.....but his traps are WAAAY down. At that track....with an excellent driver...bone stock C6 Z06's run lo to mid 12's@116 BEST. Go ahead and ask if anyone has their best times from LACR or any strip in SoCal for that matter. They are not hitting 125 MPH traps....that is for sure.
And finally...i brought up my S4 since this the Pro Z06's guys ALWAYS argue that so and so car only traps this, and they have no chance (dreaming, etc) against the Z06. Fact is....an E55 AMG with Pulley, Headers, and ECU will very well run right with or beat a Z06.....whilst trapping "only" in the lo 120's range. Just like my car. That was my point.
PS. 118 traps from a C5 Z06..............riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Throw Ranger in the drivers seat......at ideal sea level tracks with excellent conditions, of course a stock C5 Z06 will trap 118. But in reality......they are mid/lo 12 cars trapping 112-115.....in most circumstances.
I'm not going to waste any more time arguing with you. You have a quick car but your ego is growing a little too quickly. This isn't an S4 forum nor is this an S4 discussion. The fact is the Z06 weighs 1000lbs less than an E55 and makes the same if not more HP. The guy who posted wants to know how/if he can make his E55 as fast as a Z06, not you coming on some tirade about Z06s are all full of **** and trap like dogs.
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1) you talk about experience from your S4.....don't take it the wrong way, but your S4 did not exactly make good power. You had an AWE off the shelft kit that was down on boost, which leads me to believe it was broke (which ALOT of AWE cars are). Again....sorry if this might upset you....but your car put a pretty low number (yes, even on CPT DD Dyno which reads low), but compared to other strong cars....the power it made was quite low.
2) Where did I talk down on the performance of Z06s?! Oh please.....read again. Z06's are beasts....monsters in their own right, one of the standards in performance in today's market. And by far....the best bang for the buck performancewise.....NO ONE is disputing that. But you seem to have that same (oh, Z06's can't be beat elitist attitude)....which is all too common. They are very fast stock......and have alot of potential, especially when drivern correctly.....but please stop with this Z06 is way out of the league of some cars attitude. We've seen 11's from them, we've seen awesome traps. They make more HP than their advertised 505......and they weigh only 3100 lbs. They are damn fast.....nobody is taking anything away from them, and certainly not me.
3) This discussion was how a modded E55 (ECU , headers, pulley, etc) would run vs a stock C6 Z06. And i think it would be close....depending on conditions. Not about a stock E55.....that trapped 114 vs your Z06 (which i'm sure could trap 122). I am sure a modded E55 could trap 120+...which would run with a Z06.....which is what this whole thread is about.
4) Ego with my S4? There is none of that....i am just stating facts of what I have seen from Z06's (at the track and on the streets with setup comparisons). Not pulling a timeslip from one part of the country and stating that a modded E55 has no chance. Period.......it's not too hard to understand that is it?
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C5 Z06s trap 118mph????
is possible and probably been done.
but definately out of the standard deviation curve..
c5 Z06 run a bit faster to C6 base models or in some cases pretty dead even.
Now with the updates to the new C6 base model engine, that will soon change.
is possible and probably been done.
but definately out of the standard deviation curve..
c5 Z06 run a bit faster to C6 base models or in some cases pretty dead even.
Now with the updates to the new C6 base model engine, that will soon change.
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that is exactly my point.......as stated, 118 mph trap out of a stock C5 Z06 is extremely rare......and not even worth mentioning when doing comparisons. Like you said...they are slightly faster to even with a standard base C6 Vette.....
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To answer your question Tony - An E55 K4 or RT Stage 5 will be every bit as fast as a stock C6 Z06. I've raced three here in Vegas; beat 1 by ~ 1 car length to 110mph, even with another, and lost to another on the freeway (from 80mph and started pulling me at about 120mph). I have absolutely no idea if they were modded C6 Z06 or not... I'm guessing that the first two were slightly modded and the third was probably heavily modded because when we shut it down at about 160mph he was about 5 cars in front.
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Rudyrono, what launch procedure did you use in the video? You launched pretty good out the off and I was just curious. Thanks ahead for any response.
I have had two encounters with the C6 Z06, one on the street and one at the track.
The street race was about 4 months ago. From a dig, he jumped out to 1/2 car and I held him all the way to about 120. I think with the sprint booster now he wouldn't get the jump. It's funny, it was a black Z06 with black wheels just like the one in the Ford GT vs. Z06 video.
Here's the link for the track race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
That Z06 was cammed, headers, intake and tune. I ran a 12.16 and he ran an 11.759. He obviouslly destroyed me out of the hole (315 DR's vs 265 Contis) but didn't gain anything down the track.
Granted, I'm not stock but I think my E has done respectable against the big, bad C6 Z06.
That being said, there is no way a stock E55 is going to hang with a stock C6 Z06. The video was interesting because I didn't think the Z06 should have pulled the Ford GT that hard. I suspect that wasn't an accurate accounting of how both those cars should have run together. Just my 2 cents worth.
The street race was about 4 months ago. From a dig, he jumped out to 1/2 car and I held him all the way to about 120. I think with the sprint booster now he wouldn't get the jump. It's funny, it was a black Z06 with black wheels just like the one in the Ford GT vs. Z06 video.
Here's the link for the track race. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYsbaTP_Saw
That Z06 was cammed, headers, intake and tune. I ran a 12.16 and he ran an 11.759. He obviouslly destroyed me out of the hole (315 DR's vs 265 Contis) but didn't gain anything down the track.
Granted, I'm not stock but I think my E has done respectable against the big, bad C6 Z06.
That being said, there is no way a stock E55 is going to hang with a stock C6 Z06. The video was interesting because I didn't think the Z06 should have pulled the Ford GT that hard. I suspect that wasn't an accurate accounting of how both those cars should have run together. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Ok guys,
Sorry for the off topic but I have a C6 coming to race next weekend.
Here's the updated list:
1) Javier: 2007 CL 600 (EuroElites modded)
2) Jesse: 2006 SLK 55 Renntech
3) Michael: 2006 E 55 (EuroElites modded)
4) Scott: 2006 SL 55 (EuroElites modded)
5) Ben: 2007 Porsche 997 Promotive,
2005 SL 65 Renntech
6) Juice: 2007 CLS 63
7) Tom: 2007 E 63 Powerchip
8) Calvin: 2006 CLS 55
9) Tony: 2006 BMW M5 (modded)
10) Dan: 2006 SLK 55
11) Zoink: 2006 E 55 (pending?)
12) Blueknight: 2004 E 55
13) Michael: 2008 BMW M6 (pending?)
14) Tan: 2006 BMW M5
15) Articfox: 2005 Porsche GT3
16) Hisham: 2006 Corvette C6
17) Ray: 2007 E 63
18) Lawrennce: 2006 BMW M5
Sorry for the off topic but I have a C6 coming to race next weekend.
Here's the updated list:
1) Javier: 2007 CL 600 (EuroElites modded)
2) Jesse: 2006 SLK 55 Renntech
3) Michael: 2006 E 55 (EuroElites modded)
4) Scott: 2006 SL 55 (EuroElites modded)
5) Ben: 2007 Porsche 997 Promotive,
2005 SL 65 Renntech
6) Juice: 2007 CLS 63
7) Tom: 2007 E 63 Powerchip
8) Calvin: 2006 CLS 55
9) Tony: 2006 BMW M5 (modded)
10) Dan: 2006 SLK 55
11) Zoink: 2006 E 55 (pending?)
12) Blueknight: 2004 E 55
13) Michael: 2008 BMW M6 (pending?)
14) Tan: 2006 BMW M5
15) Articfox: 2005 Porsche GT3
16) Hisham: 2006 Corvette C6
17) Ray: 2007 E 63
18) Lawrennce: 2006 BMW M5
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Oh please....Marcus, no disrespect....I won't go an reply to every single point you tried to make. Bottom line is this.......
1) you talk about experience from your S4.....don't take it the wrong way, but your S4 did not exactly make good power. You had an AWE off the shelft kit that was down on boost, which leads me to believe it was broke (which ALOT of AWE cars are). Again....sorry if this might upset you....but your car put a pretty low number (yes, even on CPT DD Dyno which reads low), but compared to other strong cars....the power it made was quite low.
1) you talk about experience from your S4.....don't take it the wrong way, but your S4 did not exactly make good power. You had an AWE off the shelft kit that was down on boost, which leads me to believe it was broke (which ALOT of AWE cars are). Again....sorry if this might upset you....but your car put a pretty low number (yes, even on CPT DD Dyno which reads low), but compared to other strong cars....the power it made was quite low.
2) Where did I talk down on the performance of Z06s?! Oh please.....read again. Z06's are beasts....monsters in their own right, one of the standards in performance in today's market. And by far....the best bang for the buck performancewise.....NO ONE is disputing that. But you seem to have that same (oh, Z06's can't be beat elitist attitude)....which is all too common. They are very fast stock......and have alot of potential, especially when drivern correctly.....but please stop with this Z06 is way out of the league of some cars attitude. We've seen 11's from them, we've seen awesome traps. They make more HP than their advertised 505......and they weigh only 3100 lbs. They are damn fast.....nobody is taking anything away from them, and certainly not me.
3) This discussion was how a modded E55 (ECU , headers, pulley, etc) would run vs a stock C6 Z06. And i think it would be close....depending on conditions. Not about a stock E55.....that trapped 114 vs your Z06 (which i'm sure could trap 122). I am sure a modded E55 could trap 120+...which would run with a Z06.....which is what this whole thread is about.
I'd also like to state that even my RENNTech'd SL600 has trouble with a Z06 on the highway. Depending who would hit it first would determine who would slightly pull. My SL has over 700ft/lbs of torque and over 600hp, and only weighed slightly more than the E55. So you want an anecdotal story, there's mine.
4) Ego with my S4? There is none of that....i am just stating facts of what I have seen from Z06's (at the track and on the streets with setup comparisons). Not pulling a timeslip from one part of the country and stating that a modded E55 has no chance. Period.......it's not too hard to understand that is it?[/QUOTE]
Do you even read what you are writing? If you put the average driver behind the wheel of a Z06 and E55 the E55 will win 50% of the time just because of the difficulty of driving the Z06. READ THE ORIGINAL POST. HE'S NOT ASKING FOR 1 RACE. He's talking about run with. He wants to run with an optimal Z06, not hope and pray for some guy who can't drive to trounce on. To run with a Z06 he needs to trap between 123 and 127mph (and remember, there are Z06s that trap higher). That IS NOT EASY WITH AN E55. THAT IS WHAT AM I SAYING. Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?
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Tranny set to "Sport", suspension set to comfort, left foot on brake, right foot covering the gas-no power braking! Rolled into the accelerator on "green." I think now, with the Sprint Booster, a lot of the "feathering" of the throttle will be reduced. I've done some practice launches on the street and it's awesome. I'm excited to get it to the track in the Fall. Too hot right now...and no, I'm not driving to Sacramento on the 16th!
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To answer your question Tony - An E55 K4 or RT Stage 5 will be every bit as fast as a stock C6 Z06. I've raced three here in Vegas; beat 1 by ~ 1 car length to 110mph, even with another, and lost to another on the freeway (from 80mph and started pulling me at about 120mph). I have absolutely no idea if they were modded C6 Z06 or not... I'm guessing that the first two were slightly modded and the third was probably heavily modded because when we shut it down at about 160mph he was about 5 cars in front.
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Well here is my .02 so take it for what it is. I raced a c6 z06 in my sl with my wife in the car and from a 30-40mph roll I walked away from him. Well I ran into another c6 z06 and of course was feeling pretty good beig I had beat one a few weeks back. So we line up and from a 40mph roll he jumps out and stays ahead and keeps pulling like nothing. We ran again from a roll and same results. So we stopped and ran from a dig and I was out by a fender until 80-100 then he just blew by. All that he has done to his car was an ecu tune and a K&N intake. We went to the dyno together and his car made 480whp and my car made 565whp on one dyno and 557whp on another. His car pulled on the sl by 2-3 cars very easy. My sl runs 1 sec faster and 13mph faster in the 1/4 then my e55 did. My e55 had headers, ecu, pulley and lsd. The car was fast but the sl walks away from it and a good driver in a z06 walks away from the sl. We took the z06 out and that thing is fast, I was shocked just how fast that car is.